Hare Krishna,
ŚB 6.4.9
अहस्ता हस्तयुक्तानां द्विपदां च चतुष्पद: ॥ ९ ॥
hy apadaḥ pāda-cāriṇām
ahastā hasta-yuktānāṁ
dvi-padāṁ ca catuṣ-padaḥ
By nature’s arrangement, fruits and flowers are considered the food of insects and birds; grass and other legless living entities are meant to be the food of four-legged animals like cows and buffalo; animals that cannot use their front legs as hands are meant to be the food of animals like tigers, which have claws; and four-legged animals like deer and goats, as well as food grains, are meant to be the food of human beings.
Then why it is a sin to eat meat ?
In God's design, one living being is the food of other living beings. Then how can we say He is compassionate ?
Lord Krishna never spoke on the topic of animal killing and meat eating. Nor did Lord Rama.
Moreover they hunted animals in the forest. ( May be Kshatriya Dharma ).
Lord Krishna silently watched, when arjuna hunted down many birds trying to escape during Khandava dahana.
Only devotees like Prabhupada , bhishma and narada showed compassion to animals.
It seems that devotees are more compassionate than Him.
I am wondering, when God himself is indifferent and silent, why meat eating should be a serious topic among devotees ?
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When a living entity is housed in the prison house of material world,then is it really important to be compassionate towards it?
I mean can anyone put up a case of showing mercy to a serial killer or something..
regarding the issue of Lord himself hunting etc. that would surely come under compassion even if the living entity is cowering in fear by this display of compassion.
and one more thing.. or a question for you..Do you think that God can understand the bodily pain or pleasure?if yes then how and if not then why?
I request you to answer my question straightly if you can ?
" Why is He hunting the deer ? What harm does these deer to anyone ? "
" Why is He looking silently when Arjuna was massacring animals, birds in khandava ? "
" Why pandavas were hunting and feeding on animals throughout vanavasa ? "
" Is it possible for a compassionate person to kill harmless creatures ? "
" Do you agree Krishna ,Rama ,pandavas ate meat or not ? They hunted animals or not ?"
Do you understand bodily pain or pleasure?
If yes surely god can...Bcoz He is superior to you...
So you mean every one in this material world a serial killer..
Then why don't you kill everyone in this material world ? Why iskcon is condemning butchers and showing compassion to animals ?
Why Bhishma, Manu are condemning meat eating and highly applauding compassion ?
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" I will kill anyone..anything.. without any reason..whenever I like bcoz I am god.." "If god is killing that is His compassion"
Suppose He came to kill you without any reason , would you heartfully relish it ?
Does this really seem ok to you ? heartfully ? Is not this hypocracy ?
These kind of explainations sound irrational to many and turn them into atheists...
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See you are calling some creature harmless and innocent based upon their current bodily forms.How do you know how much harm has been done by them in their previous lives?
All around in this material universe is action and reaction going on.Normal living entities like us can't have the whole view of what is to be done and what is not to be done based on a very narrow viewpoint.Now if you know God as the supreme person then why not accept whatever he does as beyond reproach?
You also said that because God is superior to me,so he can understand bodily pain and pleasure because i can do so too.Why don't you put your Big brain to dwell on the question as surely you are capable of doing so which is so evident from the time and effort you are putting in scutinising shastras
Then with your big brain, you may advise all those who condemn slaughterhouses like this..
Oh, this is all God's wish.. All these cruel fellows are just His agents. We can't know what these goats have done in their previous lives..
Of course all positives and negatives that you see are God's wish in some way because a thing can't happen unless sanctioned by the supreme authority.
BUT there is something else too.A living entity can side with the pious or the impious and that will take care of the future of that jeeva.
Still you haven't put any thought in the question...which was about the cognizance of God regarding pain and pleasure at physical level.Believe me you'll get a new vision about God's activities.
So, you meant , He can understand pain of the creatures since He is omniscient , but He does not experience it Himself since He is not at physical level ?
it's kinda akin to understanding sweetness without tasting anything sweet
Hare Krsna
na māṁ karmāṇi limpanti
na me karma-phale spṛhā
iti māṁ yo ’bhijānāti
karmabhir na sa badhyate
Translation : There is no work that affects Me; nor do I aspire for the fruits of action. One who understands this truth about Me also does not become entangled in the fruitive reactions of work. BG 4.14
Purport :
the Lord, although He is the creator of this material world, is not affected by the activities of the material world. He creates and remains aloof from the creation, whereas the living entities are entangled in the fruitive results of material activities because of their propensity for lording it over material resources. The proprietor of an establishment is not responsible for the right and wrong activities of the workers, but the workers are themselves responsible. The living entities are engaged in their respective activities of sense gratification, and these activities are not ordained by the Lord. For advancement of sense gratification, the living entities are engaged in the work of this world, and they aspire to heavenly happiness after death. The Lord, being full in Himself, has no attraction for so-called heavenly happiness. The heavenly demigods are only His engaged servants. The proprietor never desires the low-grade happiness such as the workers may desire. He is aloof from the material actions and reactions. For example, the rains are not responsible for different types of vegetation that appear on the earth, although without such rains there is no possibility of vegetative growth. Vedic smṛti confirms this fact as follows:
sṛjyānāṁ sarga-karmaṇi
pradhāna-kāraṇī-bhūtā
yato vai sṛjya-śaktayaḥ
“In the material creations, the Lord is only the supreme cause. The immediate cause is material nature, by which the cosmic manifestation is made visible.” The created beings are of many varieties, such as the demigods, human beings and lower animals, and all of them are subject to the reactions of their past good or bad activities. The Lord only gives them the proper facilities for such activities and the regulations of the modes of nature, but He is never responsible for their past and present activities. In the Vedānta-sūtra (2.1.34) it is confirmed, vaiṣamya-nairghṛṇye na sāpekṣatvāt: the Lord is never partial to any living entity. The living entity is responsible for his own acts. The Lord only gives him facilities, through the agency of material nature, the external energy. Anyone who is fully conversant with all the intricacies of this law of karma, or fruitive activities, does not become affected by the results of his activities. In other words, the person who understands this transcendental nature of the Lord is an experienced man in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and thus he is never subjected to the laws of karma. One who does not know the transcendental nature of the Lord and who thinks that the activities of the Lord are aimed at fruitive results, as are the activities of the ordinary living entities, certainly becomes entangled himself in fruitive reactions. But one who knows the Supreme Truth is a liberated soul fixed in Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
They destroyed the Khandava forest to please agni dev because he wanted to consume the forest with all its trees and living creatures. In return agni dev presented Arjuna with chariot and weapons that helped him win the war against colossal evil.
When Krsna and Arjuna rode out in the Khandava forest, Krsna played the charioteer and Arjuna fired the arrows, this was also mock practice for the great battle of Kuruksetra.
We cannot say what harm the deer has done to anyone. As explained by the Lord, the intricacies of karma are hard to understand. It is sufficient for us that if the Lord sanctions it, it is all good because He is not affected by the reactions of karma.
Yes, killing can be a part of great compassion if it is done under the direction of the Lord because the Lord is all compassionate. If He sanctions killing then it is for the greater good only.
I have read ISKCON version of both the Mahabharat and Valmiki Ramayana. I would rather dwell on the Srimad Bhagavatam. However, I haven't read about Lord Ram or Lord Krsna eating meat. I'm not interested also, because they can eat anything, eventually they consume the whole universe as a meal.
I understand the bodily pain and pleasure of my body only, at the most I can empathize with someone else. However, the Lord is present in every body and can feel the bodily pain and pleasure of every body.
I hope He comes to kill me without any reason. It's better than dying of some other cause. Of this I'm confident.
Hari Bol
Madhava das ji,
I offended you,
I beg you to forgive me...
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