gaurav chauhan > Govind SharanOctober 16, 2025 at 3:17pm
what is being discussed here is beyond my wit..
what is the relation of gita govinda with shankaracharya?
sridhara swami and mayawad?? sridhara swami has been recognised as an expert commentator on bhagwatam by all leading experts on the subject.
Govind Sharan > gaurav chauhanOctober 16, 2025 at 3:41pm
My dear Gaurav Prabhu, please allow me to share something with due respect. Śrīpāda Śrīdhara Svāmī was actually associated with the line of Ādi Śaṅkarācārya, the Smārta paramparā, which is generally known today as a Māyāvādī tradition. If the followers of Śaṅkarācārya are considered Māyāvādīs, then naturally, Śrīdhara Svāmī’s commentary may also reflect that Advaitic understanding. However, it’s also important to note that despite this, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself accepted Śrīdhara Svāmī’s commentary on the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam and considered them as an ācārya & jagatguru. He was an advaitin. So, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was also mayavadi? Am i right? Hari Hari.
If I am not wrong, didn't mahaprabhu accept sanyas from so that he can deliver those Advaita and mayavadiS?
gaurav chauhan > Govind SharanOctober 16, 2025 at 3:56pm
that's alright lord chaitanya also took initiation in like fashion.that was just to gain public acceptance.Look at the purpose.it is not to spread mayawad philosophy.So how can a person who is preaching and spreading NON advaitic philosophy be termed as an advaitin? what about my other question, the relation between gita govinda and shankaracharya?
Madhava das > Govind SharanOctober 17, 2025 at 10:31am
Hare Krsna
The final conclusion that should resolve this debate is that we must discriminate between Adi Sankaracarya and his followers because Sankaracarya is Lord Siva whereas his followers are not.
It is correct the purpose of introducing the philosophy of Mayavada was to drive away Buddhist philosophy. However, Sridhara Svami and later Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu introduced pure Vaisnava philosophy as opposed to Mayavada.
Hari bol
Govind Sharan > Madhava dasOctober 17, 2025 at 10:05am
I think your logic collapses — calling Śaṅkarācārya a māyāvādī in the sense of a deluded atheist is equal to insulting Lord Śiva, who was merely fulfilling a divine commission.
Even your own quotation says:
“He had to imagine some kind of interpretation.”
But Śaṅkarācārya himself, in his Bhaja Govindam, Govinda Aṣṭakam, and Harimīde Stotra, explicitly glorifies Govinda, Kṛṣṇa, and Nārāyaṇa as the Supreme Reality.
If that’s “atheism,” then perhaps your definition of devotion needs serious revision
Śaṅkarācārya’s role was surgical — he removed the poison of Buddhist voidism by reintroducing Vedic theism in an abstract form. After his time, the Lord Himself, as Śrī Caitanya, revealed the full nectar of Bhakti. You can’t blame the physician for using anesthesia before the cure.
If, as you quote, “Śaṅkarācārya says — Nārāyaṇaḥ paro ’vyaktāt,” then by your own evidence he accepted Nārāyaṇa as transcendental and supreme.
Now tell me, does an atheist declare “Nārāyaṇa is beyond the material world”? Your own reference refutes your labeling.
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself quoted Śaṅkarācārya’s “bhaja govindaṁ” approvingly, because that reveals Śaṅkara’s true intent — to direct people ultimately to Govinda.
Even Śrīdhara Svāmī, whom Mahāprabhu called jagad-guru, came from Śaṅkara’s Smārta line. So, if lineage equals contamination, you’re indirectly accusing Mahāprabhu Himself of following a “Māyāvādī” ācārya — a blunder beyond measure.
Madhava das > Govind SharanOctober 17, 2025 at 1:42am
Hare Krsna dear devotees
You may please consider the following references. I am not going to add any personal comments henceforth.
" As the chief Mayavadi sannyasi, Sri Sankaracarya says, narayanah paro 'vyaktat: " Narayana is not a creation of this material world. Narayana is above the material creation."
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 18.109
" Actually there is no fault on the part of Sankaracarya. He simply carried ouf the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He had to imagine some kind of interpretation, and therefore he presented a kind of Vedic literature that is full of atheism. "
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.180
" [Addressing Lord Siva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead said:] ' Please make the general populace averse to Me by imagining your own interpretation of the Vedas. Also, cover Me in such a way that people will take more interest in advancing material civilization just to propagate a population bereft of spiritual knowledge. "
PURPORT
This is a quotation from the Padma Purana, Uttara-khanda (62.31)
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.181
" [Lord Siva informed goddess Durga, the superintendent of the material world:] ' In the Age of Kali I take the form of a brahmana and explain the Vedas through false scriptures in an atheistic way, similar to Buddhist philosophy. "
PURPORT
The word brahmana-murtina in this verse refers to the founder of Mayavada philosophy, Sankaracarya, who was born in the Malabara district of southern India. Mayavada philosophy states that the Supreme Lord, the living entities and the cosmic manifestation are all transformations of illusory energy. To support this atheistic theory, the Mayavadis cite false scriptures, which make people bereft of transcendental knowledge and addicted to frutive activities and mental speculation.
This verse is a quotation from the Padma Purana, Uttara-khanda (25.7).
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.182
Hari bol
Govind Sharan > gaurav chauhanOctober 16, 2025 at 11:56pm
As Jayadeva Gosvami composed rasika granthas, his writings are filled with deep love and devotion. Similarly, Adi Shankaracharya’s works also overflow with love and devotion toward Sri Krishna. He teaches the worship of Sri Krishna.
Despite this, Madhav Das calls Shankaracharya’s followers Mayavadis. Technically, by doing so, he is calling Mahaprabhu Himself a Mayavadi!
And on top of that, he engages in Ahangrahopasana, claiming himself to be God.
Really, I have no idea what he’s doing — he even calls himself Shesha-Naag and Kalki Avataar. Hari Hari.
Madhava das > Madhava dasOctober 15, 2025 at 10:05am
Hare Krsna everyone
Please listen carefully: " jivera nistaara laagi' sutra kaila vyaasa maayaavaadi-bhaasya sunile haya sarva-naasha " TRANSLATION " Srila Vyasadeva presented the Vedanta philosophy for the deliverance of conditioned souls, but if one hears the commentary of Sankaracarya, everything is spoiled. " Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.169 " The Buddhists do not recognize the authority of the Vedas; therefore they are considered agnostics. However, those who have taken shelter of the Vedic scriptures yet preach agnosticism in accordance with the Mayavada philosophy are certainly more dangerous than the Buddhists. " Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.168 " Bereft of real knowledge due to agnosticism, the Mayavadi philosophers should not even be seen by the devotees of the Lord, nor touched, because those philosophers are liable to be punished by Yamaraja, the superintendent demigod who judges the activities of sinful men. The mayavadi agnostics wander within this universe in different species of life due to their nondevotional activities. Such living entities are subjected to the punishments of Yamaraja. Only the devotees, who are always engaged in the service of the Lord, are exempt from the jurisdiction of Yamaraja. " Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.167 PURPORT Hari bol
Govind Sharan > Madhava dasOctober 16, 2025 at 10:52am
Deleting replies and running away from the truth won’t save you. If you’ve got any courage left, prove yourself right — here, in front of everyone. Hari Hari.
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what is being discussed here is beyond my wit..
what is the relation of gita govinda with shankaracharya?
sridhara swami and mayawad?? sridhara swami has been recognised as an expert commentator on bhagwatam by all leading experts on the subject.
My dear Gaurav Prabhu, please allow me to share something with due respect. Śrīpāda Śrīdhara Svāmī was actually associated with the line of Ādi Śaṅkarācārya, the Smārta paramparā, which is generally known today as a Māyāvādī tradition. If the followers of Śaṅkarācārya are considered Māyāvādīs, then naturally, Śrīdhara Svāmī’s commentary may also reflect that Advaitic understanding. However, it’s also important to note that despite this, Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself accepted Śrīdhara Svāmī’s commentary on the Śrīmad Bhāgavatam and considered them as an ācārya & jagatguru. He was an advaitin. So, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was also mayavadi? Am i right? Hari Hari.
If I am not wrong, didn't mahaprabhu accept sanyas from so that he can deliver those Advaita and mayavadiS?
that's alright lord chaitanya also took initiation in like fashion.that was just to gain public acceptance.Look at the purpose.it is not to spread mayawad philosophy.So how can a person who is preaching and spreading NON advaitic philosophy be termed as an advaitin? what about my other question, the relation between gita govinda and shankaracharya?
Hare Krsna
The final conclusion that should resolve this debate is that we must discriminate between Adi Sankaracarya and his followers because Sankaracarya is Lord Siva whereas his followers are not.
It is correct the purpose of introducing the philosophy of Mayavada was to drive away Buddhist philosophy. However, Sridhara Svami and later Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu introduced pure Vaisnava philosophy as opposed to Mayavada.
Hari bol
I think your logic collapses — calling Śaṅkarācārya a māyāvādī in the sense of a deluded atheist is equal to insulting Lord Śiva, who was merely fulfilling a divine commission.
Even your own quotation says:
Śaṅkarācārya’s role was surgical — he removed the poison of Buddhist voidism by reintroducing Vedic theism in an abstract form. After his time, the Lord Himself, as Śrī Caitanya, revealed the full nectar of Bhakti. You can’t blame the physician for using anesthesia before the cure.
If, as you quote, “Śaṅkarācārya says — Nārāyaṇaḥ paro ’vyaktāt,” then by your own evidence he accepted Nārāyaṇa as transcendental and supreme.
Now tell me, does an atheist declare “Nārāyaṇa is beyond the material world”? Your own reference refutes your labeling.
Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu Himself quoted Śaṅkarācārya’s “bhaja govindaṁ” approvingly, because that reveals Śaṅkara’s true intent — to direct people ultimately to Govinda.
Even Śrīdhara Svāmī, whom Mahāprabhu called jagad-guru, came from Śaṅkara’s Smārta line. So, if lineage equals contamination, you’re indirectly accusing Mahāprabhu Himself of following a “Māyāvādī” ācārya — a blunder beyond measure.
Hare Krsna dear devotees
You may please consider the following references. I am not going to add any personal comments henceforth.
" As the chief Mayavadi sannyasi, Sri Sankaracarya says, narayanah paro 'vyaktat: " Narayana is not a creation of this material world. Narayana is above the material creation."
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 18.109
" Actually there is no fault on the part of Sankaracarya. He simply carried ouf the order of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He had to imagine some kind of interpretation, and therefore he presented a kind of Vedic literature that is full of atheism. "
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.180
" [Addressing Lord Siva, the Supreme Personality of Godhead said:] ' Please make the general populace averse to Me by imagining your own interpretation of the Vedas. Also, cover Me in such a way that people will take more interest in advancing material civilization just to propagate a population bereft of spiritual knowledge. "
PURPORT
This is a quotation from the Padma Purana, Uttara-khanda (62.31)
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.181
" [Lord Siva informed goddess Durga, the superintendent of the material world:] ' In the Age of Kali I take the form of a brahmana and explain the Vedas through false scriptures in an atheistic way, similar to Buddhist philosophy. "
PURPORT
The word brahmana-murtina in this verse refers to the founder of Mayavada philosophy, Sankaracarya, who was born in the Malabara district of southern India. Mayavada philosophy states that the Supreme Lord, the living entities and the cosmic manifestation are all transformations of illusory energy. To support this atheistic theory, the Mayavadis cite false scriptures, which make people bereft of transcendental knowledge and addicted to frutive activities and mental speculation.
This verse is a quotation from the Padma Purana, Uttara-khanda (25.7).
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.182
Hari bol
As Jayadeva Gosvami composed rasika granthas, his writings are filled with deep love and devotion. Similarly, Adi Shankaracharya’s works also overflow with love and devotion toward Sri Krishna. He teaches the worship of Sri Krishna.
Despite this, Madhav Das calls Shankaracharya’s followers Mayavadis. Technically, by doing so, he is calling Mahaprabhu Himself a Mayavadi!
And on top of that, he engages in Ahangrahopasana, claiming himself to be God.
Really, I have no idea what he’s doing — he even calls himself Shesha-Naag and Kalki Avataar. Hari Hari.
Hare Krsna everyone
Please listen carefully:
" jivera nistaara laagi' sutra kaila vyaasa
maayaavaadi-bhaasya sunile haya sarva-naasha "
TRANSLATION
" Srila Vyasadeva presented the Vedanta philosophy for the deliverance of conditioned souls, but if one hears the commentary of Sankaracarya, everything is spoiled. "
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.169
" The Buddhists do not recognize the authority of the Vedas; therefore they are considered agnostics. However, those who have taken shelter of the Vedic scriptures yet preach agnosticism in accordance with the Mayavada philosophy are certainly more dangerous than the Buddhists. "
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.168
" Bereft of real knowledge due to agnosticism, the Mayavadi philosophers should not even be seen by the devotees of the Lord, nor touched, because those philosophers are liable to be punished by Yamaraja, the superintendent demigod who judges the activities of sinful men. The mayavadi agnostics wander within this universe in different species of life due to their nondevotional activities. Such living entities are subjected to the punishments of Yamaraja. Only the devotees, who are always engaged in the service of the Lord, are exempt from the jurisdiction of Yamaraja. "
Sri Caitanya-caritamrta Madhya 6.167 PURPORT
Hari bol
Deleting replies and running away from the truth won’t save you. If you’ve got any courage left, prove yourself right — here, in front of everyone. Hari Hari.
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