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Please let me know What will happen to those person who do pooja daily and do 2-4 rounds of japa and also do Ekadashi fast and he has no desire.. he do his duties without ego selfless desire but occasionally drink liquor in party with Freinds in get together during some events .
1 .What sinful reaction will get to these person ?
2.does his devotion service vanquished
3. Does he got animal birth in next life ?
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person who drink without any crime
Drinking may not be a crime as per the legal laws of kali yuga. But then the govt does not punish such acts.
Could you please provide any reference that drinking is not sinful as per scriptures ?
if person do mix Bhakti
In such cases they get mix results. Indra who has performed lot of worship, 100 ashwamedha yagyas etc once became a pig. Indra is also a mixed devotee. Mixed devotee gets mixed results which is mix of both positive and negative.
It is not feasible to comment on how much drinking takes one to hellish planet. But history says that mixed actions get mixed results. There is not need to be shocked or surprised at this. One always has an option of not committing sinful activities.
If a practicing devotee who chants Hare Krsna, who follows ekadashi, who knows that drinking is breaking regulative principles deliberately commits such actions, then soon one category of activities will stop. Because sinful acts and devotion cannot be performed side-by-side for long time. But in any case bhakti is not ended.
god is not such cruel to give such punishment for person who drink
No, God doesn't punish such people. It is the material nature through agency of yamaraja who gives such punishment. Lord Sri Krsna perfectly reciprocates with all living entity as we approach Him.
ye yathā māṁ prapadyante
tāṁs tathaiva bhajāmy aham
As all surrender unto Me, I reward them accordingly. ( BG 4.11)
So Krsna reciprocates with desires of living entities according to their desire. If they want to worship HIm, He gives them opportunity. If someone wants to perform sins and turn away from Him, He gives opportunity for that also. If someone wants to willing drink the poison and not be affected by it, it is illogical.
But God is not a punisher nor are hellish punishments permanent. Such concepts are from non-vedic religions and are incorrect.
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1. What cause Indra to become pig ? What sin he did that he got pig body ?
2. As per scripture alcohol is sin ,as scripture wanted person should not drink to avoid consequences as scripture think if person drink then he will behave misbehavior or he can do wrong thing so avoid this scripture say no to alcohol from starting point
but person aware and consciousness, he just drink in limited way without any harm to accompany freinds, he has desire to give company to freinds to avoid loneliness then what wrong with that If he is very much consciousness after drinking also not doing any misbehaving and next day he statrted work as normal and do his Bhakti , japa practice
person also want to leave alcohol but due to get together pressure and loneliness feelings as we are staying in USA very limited Indian neighbors so during events and get together we drink
please suggest!! Hare Krishna
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1. What cause Indra to become pig ? What sin he did that he got pig body ?
It is said that once Indra, the King of heaven, was cursed by his spiritual master, Bṛhaspati, on account of his misbehavior, and he became a hog on this planet. ( Purport SB 3.30.5)
as scripture wanted person should not drink to avoid consequences as scripture think if person drink then he will behave misbehavior or he can do wrong thing so avoid this scripture say no to alcohol from starting point
If the above statement is not mental speculation then kindly provide reference from scripture to support the above statement.
he just drink in limited way without any harm to accompany freinds, he has desire to give company to freinds to avoid loneliness then what wrong with that
Thank you for mentioning the above. Why a person performs sin is not of relevance when sinful actions are being punished. The reason for performing sin does not make the sin right. But as mentioned above, such acts are much worse than a non-devotee performing sin.
person also want to leave alcohol but due to get together pressure and loneliness feelings as we are staying in USA very limited Indian neighbors so during events and get together we drink. please suggest.
Intense devotional service is capable of removing all material conditionings. But if somone is trying to justify and hold on to their material conditionings, then it is like trying to row the boat in two opposite directions at the same time. Devotional service can burn many lifetimes of sins and conditionings within no time.
Valmiki rishi, Mrigari, Ajamila were addicted to perform highly sinul activities on a daily basis. But by practice of chanting the holy names of Sri Krsna, they became purified saints.
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In ajamala story he was Brahman he fall down he married to prosituute and did various sins !! And did not leave all bad habits . In the age of 80 he becomes father of son .. and just by calling his son name due to attachment his alll sin got removed!!
now question how ??
he did not stopped all sinful activities only by chanting his son name his sin got cleared
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now question how ??
That is due to the power of offenseless chanting.
he did not stopped all sinful activities only by chanting his son name his sin got cleared
Yes, chanting of the holy names can remove unlimited amount of sins. But when Ajamila's sins were cleared, he did not again perform those sins. He performed intense pure devotional service for many years. When Ajamila was soing sinful acts he was not doing devotional service. WHen ajamila was doing devotional service he was not commiting sins or offences.
Simply because I chanted the holy name of the Lord in the association of devotees, my heart is now becoming purified. Therefore I shall not fall victim again to the false lures of material sense gratification. Now that I have become fixed in the Absolute Truth, henceforward I shall not identify myself with the body. I shall give up false conceptions of “I” and “mine” and fix my mind on the lotus feet of Kṛṣṇa. ( SB 6.2.36-37)
In Hardwar, Ajāmila took shelter at a Viṣṇu temple, where he executed the process of bhakti-yoga. He controlled his senses and fully applied his mind in the service of the Lord. ( SB 6.2.40)
Ajāmila fully engaged in devotional service. Thus he detached his mind from the process of sense gratification and became fully absorbed in thinking of the form of the Lord. ( SB 6.2.41)
Accompanied by the order carriers of Lord Viṣṇu, Ajāmila boarded an airplane made of gold. Passing through the airways, he went directly to the abode of Lord Viṣṇu, the husband of the goddess of fortune.( SB 6.2.44)
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1. how Ajamala sins got cleared as he was doing sin during that time when he was so attached to his child ?
Ajamila was very attached to his family. All of his sins were removed when he chanted the holy name of Narayana offenselessly once at the time of his death. Holy name of Krsna is Krsna. Krsna can remove all of one's sins in a moment.
2. if he is doing sinful act and along with chanting his son name then he was also sitting in 2 boats and one boat is sinful and other is god names
No, he was not chanting while doing sins. He was not committing sins at that exact moment when he called out Narayana at the time of his death. He was doing sins up to the point of his death and he completely got puried after visit by Vishnudutas. He was not mixing sins and bhakti. He changed his course of actions completely and life in a few moments. So that is possible by the power of the holy names of Sri Krsna.
No amount of material conditioning can stand in front of the holy names. When holy name arises and shines in the heart, all the darkness of conditioning is gone.
3. from above your post he did all Bhakti when he got another life by Vishnu jbecause he chanted his son name otherwise Yamraj was giving sinful reaction to them
Yes, Just by that one chanting of Narayana his sins were removed. After his sins were removed, he did not commit sins again. He performed very intense bhakti.That is the only remedy.
And also he did not done any Bhakti intentionally
It doesn't matter in the beginning if one performs bhakti intentionally or unknowingly the holy name acts. Same way it doesn't matter if one performs sins casually or socially or diligently, people get reactions..
so he has given second chance
Yes, we all are being given second, third, fourth chances everyday.
so if drinking person is doing Bhakti and japa with fully hearted then why Yamraj will give sinful punisment to that person although his sinful act is not so much as ajamala .
Because the drinking person knows that drinking is sinful and offensive to bhakti. That person knows that by drinking he is destroying his own bhakti. Such a person still continues to drink thinking bhakti will save me and I can continue to drink. This is seventh offense against the holy names of Sri Krsna.
7) To commit sinful activities on the strength of the holy name.
Such a person is misusing/ abusing the holy names to continue to commit sins. This is a great offense. There will be reaction due to offenses. Ajamila's chanting was offenseless.
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here again question come
1) how Ajamala sins got cleared as he was doing sin during that time when he was so attached to his child and calling his names or did he stopped sinful act after his child born ?
2) if he is doing sinful act and along with chanting his son name then he was also sitting in 2 boats and one boat is sinful and other is god names
3) from above your post he did all Bhakti when he got another life by Vishnu jbecause he chanted his son name otherwise Yamraj was giving sinful reaction to them
And also he did not done any Bhakti intentionally only he taking his son names but by the grace of lord he got relived from Yamraj punishment and after then only he started Bhakti, so he has given second chance
so if drinking person is doing Bhakti and japa with fully hearted then why Yamraj will give sinful punisment to that person although his sinful act is not so much as ajamala .
But prji a devotee constantly chanting Lord's name would get purified with time, then how come he go to he'll after death?
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Yes a devotee constantly chanting Lord's name would get purified with time. A deotee who is fully purified will not go to hell.
But again a devotee who is fully purified will not drink alcohol also right ?
The above shloka from Garuda Purana are in general for those who commit sins. If a devotee commits sins and thinks he can escape, then it is worse than sin.
If a devotee gets fully purified by the end of life and has no inclination for sinful activities then he need not go to hell.
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