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Please advise if devotees should participate in blood doation camp. Is it allowed for a human being to do this act as per Vedas? If Yes/No... why?
How to explain non devotees if this act is good or bad for a human being?
Hare Krishna Artha Kadamb Prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Srila Prabhupada used to call surgical operations as demoniac way of curing the disease. He told that we can use them only in extreme situations. To give blood to a karmi person then becoming healthy he will use body again in sense gratification. So what is the use? we will get bad karma.
It is not even recomended to give charity - money to such like people what to speak of blood.
But there was one time one Devotee needed one kidney in order to survive then they asked for kidney from Devotees all around the world.
Several Deveotees agreed to give. But only 1-2 Devotees' kidneys were compatibly for him. then that Devotee gave his one kidney in this way saved life of a Devotee who than continued use his body, mind in preaching the glories of the Lord.
Thank you Bhaktin Maral.
This helps to understand :)
Hare Krishna Mataji,
Please do not take any of my words as offensive as I am very ignorant.
How do we know that the person whom we are donating the blood will NOT BE KRISHNA CONSCIOUS in future.
He may well be krishna conscious in future upon coming in devotee association or whatever. Very few are born krishna conscious, we are becoming some only because of mercy of shrila prabhupada. SO how to limit the mercy of srila prabhupada that the person who is availing the blood will just use it for sense gratification??? He may turn out to be a great devotee. Only thing is that somehow we got the little bit of mercy and he is yet to get it. Human body is already very difficult to get.
Hare Krishna Prabhuji. Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
It is true indeed that vedas doesn't support charity to unworthy people as Krishna says in this verse
BG 17.22: And charity performed at an impure place, at an improper time, to unworthy persons, or without proper attention and respect is said to be in the mode of ignorance.
"Charity to the poor is sometimes given out of compassion, but if a poor man is not worth giving charity to, then there is no spiritual advancement" ~ Srila Prabhupada
BG 17.11: Of sacrifices, the sacrifice performed according to the directions of scripture, as a matter of duty, by those who desire no reward, is of the nature of goodness.
Now Let us take out from the above verses few important sentences and let consolidate those to see if we can link it to the situation you mentioned above and let us analyze whether donating blood is supported by Gita and whatind of results its generate to the donator.
1.to unworthy persons
As you mentioned above blood donation will be in a donation camp, so whom the blood is going to you don't know i.e the person is even worthy or unworthy you don't know, may be the person is a criminal may be atheist and may not. So the conclusion here is "YOU DON"T KNOW THE PERSON ....WORTHY/UNWORTHY"........so without knowing exactly you should not donate.
2.without proper attention and respect
Again when you don't know the person to whom you are donating how can you pay attention and respect. so donation not possible.
3.if a poor man is not worth giving charity to, then there is no spiritual advancement
This means all the charity and sacrifice should lead the both person involved in dealings to spiritual advancement. This condition is also not met here because you don't know whether your blood donation will lead the person to Krishna or by becoming healthy the person will do some sinful activities. Then you will also get the karma.
4.according to the directions of scripture
scripture direction of charity,sacrifice which leads to spritual advancement. Here you don't know for certainly.
Now all the above conclusion of sastras doesn't support your situation but this is only on the basis of spiritual perspective. That means this is not going to help you in KC directly
The below statements supports , but when we see in mundane perspective
5.as a matter of duty
It is our duty to help some one as all are part and parcel of Krishna and not just devotees and Krishna is not partial.
6.who desire no reward
If you desire no reward from that action it will be in the mode of goodness.
SO as the matter of fact helping some one is our duty as if someone from our family/relatives suppose our parents get need of blood or some other things where we know that they are good person, their intentions are right then we must help them else how does compassion will come ??? as Krishna stating it one of the virtue of godly person in this verse
BG 16.1-3: The Supreme Personality of Godhead said: Fearlessness; purification of one's existence; cultivation of spiritual knowledge; charity; self-control; performance of sacrifice; study of the Vedas; austerity; simplicity; nonviolence; truthfulness; freedom from anger; renunciation; tranquillity; aversion to faultfinding; compassion for all living entities; freedom from covetousness; gentleness; modesty; steady determination; vigor; forgiveness; fortitude; cleanliness; and freedom from envy and from the passion for honor — these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.
As long as we are in Grihasta ashram we have some certain duty which we should performe if they are inline with scriptures and to a worthy person and thus they can lead to supreme person ultimately . So definitely you can donate blood whom you know well and only in emergency who is worthy but in this case you don't know the person and the organization is no way promoting or connected to Krishna and whether the blood is going to be use in emergency or to a worthy person. "MERE PHILANTHROPHY IS NOT SUPPORTED BY VEDAS FOR A SPIRITUAL ASPIRANT"~ It is for karma-kandi people.............So it will not result in any spiritual fruits rather it is a pious activity.
your aspiring servant
Both the replies are really great.. nice to read & understand the detailed information.
Thank you Sudipto Roy Prabhu :)
The detailed information has really helped me to cope with feeling of not donating blood. Now I am able to understand better about charity.
Hare Krishna Prabhuji and mataji's
All your responses seems all perfect from one perspective.
But how about if we look from a little different angle . In different time and different circumstances , the same definition takes different form. Like in different yugas the same god comes for different purposes and spread teachings in different way as per circumstances/intelligence of people in that yug.
Earlier in sayug/dwapar yug people use to go to jungle and perform years of austerity to achieve GOD now in kalyug it is said we should not go to jungle just "hare krishna mantra" jap is what needs to done.
I have read somewhere that during kurukshetra war the same vaidyas (doctors of those time) use to treat the soldiers of Yudhister and soldiers of Duryodhan as well (inspite of knowing the fact that they are supporting adharma)."Because it was their duty".
Same thing holds true when there was a war between Lord Ram and ravana. The vaidyas treated soldiers of both the sides.
Also even if we don't know whom the blood is going to , can we not just in the name of Lord Krishna "praying to him that may this blood of mine go to a good/spiritual person or let that person's ignorance be diminished."
the way we distribute the prasadam to ignorant people thinking that some day the power of Krishna prasadam will help that ignorant person revive some devotion to Krishna. can the same blood made of Krishna prasadam not be useful to some unknown/ignorant person we have donated blood to.
There was one story where a great muni helped some theives (unknowingly, thieves lied to muni) to provide shelter in his hut.
When the kings men came questioning the muni, he felt bad and tried to understand what did he do wrong that he was under this karma.
When the muni was taken to the king for punishment the king without listening fully to the sage ordered him to be punished .
when soldiers were about to punish him, the muni with his great meditation power was protected by God.
THOUGH THE MUNI PERFORMED A BAD ACT BUT BECAUSE IT WAS UNKNOWINGLY HE DID NOT ENCOUNTERED A BAD KARMA AND WAS SAVED BY GOD.
The muni asked dharmaraj as to why this happened to him. Dharmaraj told him that when muni was 12 years old he tore apart the wings of a butterfly and that's why he had to go through this humiliation.
So what about if I think that the blood donated by me if....
it goes to a spiritual person/kc person (by gods grace) then it's my effect of good karma.
it goes to a atheist/criminal then somehow probably I had to repay him/her something taken from previous births.
in wars it is extreme situation and it is on the contrary accepted to use such like method.
Prasadam is pure and it can purify others but Vaishnav does not consider himself and his by products as pure. Blood is not pure and it does not purify on the contrary if blood goes out we should immediately take bath or at least wash.
blood becomes pure when it turns into milk in mother and with that same blood but now pure she feeds her child.
giving blood as charity is the same with giving money or other things. and as Sudipta Roy Prabhu explained we do not know who will use that. if demon then we will suffer we will earn bad karma.
we have to be intelligent and try not to earn bad karma but get purified from all sinful karma.
Your servant in serving to Srila Prabhupada!
Hare Krishna Mataji
The donated blood is also used in extreme/urgent situation only. Though they store it in blood bank but used only if absolutely needed. They don't give blood to person just because somebody's hemoglobin is low.
Hare Krishna Alka Mataji. Dandavat Pranam. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
Argument and counter argument actually not produce any fruitful solution. Without discrimination people live life in ignorance which is the sole cause of sinful activities inturn bondage. Discrimination comes when we live our life abide by rules of Shastras and instruction of Gurus. WE are not Guru , and one individual life and karma is not same as others specially that are mentioned in scriptures. Best is that what Krishna Instructed and what Prabhupada and guru instructed we should live by their words rather than making our head heavy with own logic.
So discrimination in any action should always be there that is what shastra teaches (e.g that is why devotees dosen't take food from here and there) . Without discrimination life is full of ignorance and further bind us. Better live life according to injunction of sastras particularly what is recommended in this age else we will be lost.
your aspiring servant
We do not know the future of anyone. Let's say someone would give blood to someone who is an atheist or criminal now. We do have a few devotees in our movement who were criminals or atheists in the past. Who knows? Maybe a criminal or atheist may become a devotee in the future.
very true Pandora prabhuji
I have met one such devotee in ISKCON temple who was atheist before as and engg student(literally arheist) and now he has dedicated his last 20 years fully in that temple and he is still just in his middle age .
I think time and circumstances changes everything.
Exactly we are not gurus to decide /conclude from something..
Once I visited Sreenathji(anthropomorphic form of Lord Krishna) temple in gujrat , I wanted to donate some money and my in laws relative said why do you donate, the temple people are all corrupt they will use it for self rather you feed poor people. I said if everybody thinks like that then one day all temples including Krishna temple will be demolished.
I still donated thinking that even if 10% of that money will be utilized in temple then also its still better then nothing (at least it will help in some maintenance of the temple). Even if there are 90% corrupt people, we have to think about the remaining 10%.
Jai shree gokulesh