Hare Krishna,
ŚB 6.4.9
अहस्ता हस्तयुक्तानां द्विपदां च चतुष्पद: ॥ ९ ॥
hy apadaḥ pāda-cāriṇām
ahastā hasta-yuktānāṁ
dvi-padāṁ ca catuṣ-padaḥ
By nature’s arrangement, fruits and flowers are considered the food of insects and birds; grass and other legless living entities are meant to be the food of four-legged animals like cows and buffalo; animals that cannot use their front legs as hands are meant to be the food of animals like tigers, which have claws; and four-legged animals like deer and goats, as well as food grains, are meant to be the food of human beings.
Then why it is a sin to eat meat ?
In God's design, one living being is the food of other living beings. Then how can we say He is compassionate ?
Lord Krishna never spoke on the topic of animal killing and meat eating. Nor did Lord Rama.
Moreover they hunted animals in the forest. ( May be Kshatriya Dharma ).
Lord Krishna silently watched, when arjuna hunted down many birds trying to escape during Khandava dahana.
Only devotees like Prabhupada , bhishma and narada showed compassion to animals.
It seems that devotees are more compassionate than Him.
I am wondering, when God himself is indifferent and silent, why meat eating should be a serious topic among devotees ?
Replies
Hare Krsna Prabhuji,
PAMHO.
Krsna has created the material world such that each planet is self sufficient. No loka has to borrow (say) air, or light or anything else from any other loka (planet for now). This is the rule - one living entity is food for another living entity. Typically the living entity which is food is the lower level of species and the predator living entity is the higher level of species. Goign by this logic, human being is the highest level of species. So what is the surprise if it is able to eat meat?
If you go beyond the translation and read the purport Srila Prabhupada explains that 4 legged animals like goat or deer have been mentioned in the shloka. His divine grace is vehement that it doesnt extend to cows.
Just to tell you, when a tiger or crocodile kills its prey for food, there is no karma accumulated to that living entity.
Karma gets accumulated only in the human form of life. This is because human beings are supposed to be having the highest consciousness. Therefore it has the choice and the sadhus/ devotees choose not to eat meat.
Regarding Kshatriyas eating, you have already answered. I dont need to elaborate.
Re Krsna watching when Arjuna is killing animals, again Kshatriya dharma.
Lord Krsna specifically mentioned patram pushpam phalam toyam, not only Bhagavad Gita (9.26), but also in Srimad Bhagawatam (10.81.4). So what more proof is required about what will please the lord? I am not aware of any other shloka which is repeated in both Gita and SB.
He is not indifferent. Maybe you need to study scriptures under a shiksha guru, to get the right perspective.
If Krsna had no compassion, then how guru parampara will have? From where their compassion will flow? That is why it is parampara, right? It flows from top. Including compassion, mercy.....the works
As you know, our scriptures are designed for 4 lakh species out of 84 lakh species. Naturally the level of consciousness is different in all. So it caters to entire humanity - as per the level of consciousness, different things are permitted. The purpose is to gradually elevate the living entity by making him follow the rules of his level of consciousness (very nicely set in varnashrama system) and gradually elevate to the next level. As you know, bhakti transcends all the levels. It is possible to take the elevator of bhakti and transcend all levels of consiousness, regardless of where we are.
I hope this explains.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Radha Rasamayi DD
Thank you Mathaji,
But I fail to understand, why is he not speaking directly that you sinful wretches, dont hurt the animals, dont eat meat..
Is it becoz he is afraid that people will question him " oh, if I give a big lecture on meat eating, people will start questioning me, Why you Krishna you are hunting that hapless deer and you are asking us to show compassion.."
Is that why he avoids to speak on this topic ?
But honest yudhistira is not afraid to speak though he ate loads of meat by massacring deer...He says
Yudhishthira said, 'Alas, those cruel men, who, discarding diverse kinds of food, covet only flesh, are really like great Rakshasas! Alas, they do not relish diverse kinds of cakes and diverse sorts of potherbs and various species of Khanda with juicy flavour so much as they do flesh! My understanding, for this reason, becomes stupefied in this matter...
His heart is melting with compassion after killing somany animals throughout vanavasa....
Did he ean, oh I am a great kshatriya, so I massacre deer...No sin attach to me...Sastras allowed it...
But you people, you don't eat meat bringing it from the sinful butchers
Bhishma said "It is seen that even those men who are possessed of learning and who seek to achieve the highest good in the form of Emancipation, are not free from the fear of death. What need there be said of those innocent and healthy creatures endued with love of life, when they are sought to be slain by sinful wretches subsisting by slaughter? "
What a great compassion ? What a great love for creatures ?
I want these soulful , heartmelting words from the supreme being....
Or is he thinking that these animals are suffering becoz of the past sinful activities . So why should I protect them ? If it is so, why should we even care about animal slaughter ?
One of our brothers said,God gives his opinions regarding mundane matters in some incarnations and in others he refrains from the mundane topics...
Now this great man feels that this topic is very mundane and unimportant...If so, why devotees often cry about compassion. Why do they even care about animals if it is unimportant....
"Is that why the verses from ramayana where lord rama eats meat were deleted from books " " Oh lord rama never ate meat, mamsa means flesh of the fruit...oh..wicked men mistranslated...these are the answers given by great swamijis and hinduthva vadis..why instead of telling the truth, they are hiding the things ? These fools want to protect hindutva by hiding the things instead of explaining sastra...
Hare Krsna Prabhu,
PAMHO.
Krsna's ways are mysterious. He says in indirect manner - that is pleasing to Him. Even in Bhagavad Gita, he tell Arjuna - Kaunteya Pratijanihi Na Me Bhakta Pranashyati - -- declare, O Kaunteya, that My devotee will never perish. He doesnt declare Himself.
It takes a lot of sadhana, devotion and surrender to understand His ways. His reasons are revealed only to the person He wants, when He wants. Thats why He is God na.
Is it becoz he is afraid that people will question him - this thought itself is blasphemous, laughable. If He is afraid, how He is God?
I want these soulful , heartmelting words from the supreme being....Meditate prabhu. There are enough verses and pastimes which show the lord's compassion. Concentrate on them.
Or is he thinking that these animals are suffering becoz of the past sinful activities . So why should I protect them ? If it is so, why should we even care about animal slaughter ? - Dont speculate. Not at all encouraged.
"Is that why the verses from ramayana where lord rama eats meat were deleted from books " " - this is not true. Not only Ram, there are texts to prove that even Jesus Christ was vegetarian.
My sincere advise to you is to not speculate so much. Give yourself time, work on your sadhana, meditate on concepts or points which are bothering you. Have faith, with time, all will be revealed to you.
The way you are questioning the lord's words and actions, it is as if you are trying to win an argument. Maybe that is not your approach, but it is appearing like this to someone like me who doesnt know you.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Radha Rasamayi DD
Harekrishna Mathaji,
You said,
Not only Ram, there are texts to prove that even Jesus Christ was vegetarian.
My sincere advise to you is to not speculate so much
When I am qoating somany verses from Ramayana, Mahabharatha, Bhagavatham, you still say I am speculating..
Is it fair ?
The author of Ramayana Valmiki didn't have any problems in mentioning about Lord Rama or Sita eating meat..
But you don't want to believe it.. Truth is truth right.. Will the untruth become truth if we utter it thousand times ?
While I am trying to find out compassionate words of Lord Rama or Lord Krishna regarding animals, unfortunately I find these verses...
Valmiki Ramayana, Aranya Kanda 3.43.31 “Kings pursuing games of hunting in great forests, oh, Lakshmana, will be felling deer either for the sake of flesh, or just for the purpose of sporting archery.”
Can anyone believe if He is having compassion after reading the above verse..
Yudhishthira said, 'Alas, those cruel men, who, discarding diverse kinds of food, covet only flesh, are really like great Rakshasas! Alas, they do not relish diverse kinds of cakes and diverse sorts of potherbs and various species of Khanda with juicy flavour so much as they do flesh! My understanding, for this reason, becomes stupefied in this matter...
Who will believe He is having with compassion after killing somany animals throughout vanavasa...
When I see devotees of Iskcon preaching compassion and condemn meateating I felt very happy...I thought all the characters in puranas ( Lord Rama, Krishna, Pandavas etc., who are known to be punyathmas ) are having compassion flowing from their hearts... But I am very disappointed when I read puranas and Ithihasas...
Ayodhya Kanda 2.52.102.
तौ तत्र हत्वा चतुरः महा मृगान् |
वराहम् ऋश्यम् पृषतम् महा रुरुम् |
आदाय मेध्यम् त्वरितम् बुभुक्षितौ|
वासाय काले ययतुर् वनः पतिम् || २-५२-१०२
hatvaa = having killed; tatra = there; chaturaH = four; mR^igaan = deer (namely); varaaham = Varaaha; R^ishyam = Risya; pR^ishhatam = PR^isata; mahaaruru = (and) Mahaaruru; (the four principal species of deer); aadayaa = and taking; tvaritam = quickly; medhyam = the portions that were pure; tou = Rama and Lakshmana; bubhukshhitou = being hungry as they were; yayatuH = reached; vanaspatim = a tree; vaasayaa = to take rest; kaale = in the evening.
Having hunted there four deer, namely Varaaha, Rishya, Prisata; and Mahaaruru (the four principal species of deer) and taking quickly the portions that were pure, being hungry as they were, Rama and Lakshmana reached a tree to take rest in the evening.
Valmiki Ramayana Ayodhya Kanda 2.96.1-2
tāṃ tathā darśayitvā tu maithilīṃ girinimnagām |
niṣasāda giriprasthe sītāṃ māṃsena candayan || 2-96-1
1. tathaa = thus; darshayitvaa = having shown; girinimnagaam = the mountaneous river Mandakini; taam siitaam = to that Seetha; maithiliim = the daughter of the king of Mithila; niSasaada = sat; giriprashthe = on the hill side; chhandayan = in order to gratify her appetite; maamsena = with flesh.
Having shown Mandakini River in that manner to Seetha, the daughter of Mithila, Rama set on the hill-side in order to gratify her appetite with a piece of flesh.
idaṃ medhyamidaṃ svādu niṣṭaptamidamagninā |
evamāste sa dharmātmā sītayā saha rāghavaḥ || 2-96-2
2. saH raaghavaH = that Rama; dharmaatmaa = of righteousness; aaste = stayed; siitayaa sha = with Seetha; evam = thus speaking; idam = this meat; madhyam = is fresh; idam = this; niSTaptam = was roasted; agninaa = in the fire.
Rama, whose mind was devoted to righteousness stayed there with Seetha, saying; "This meat is fresh, this is savoury and roasted in the fire."
Valmiki Ramayana 3.47.22b-23 “Be comfortable for a moment, here it is possible for you to make a sojourn, and soon my husband will be coming on taking plentiful forest produce, and on killing stags, mongooses, wild boars he fetches meat, aplenty.”
Valmiki Ramayana, Aranya Kanda 3.43.31 “Kings pursuing games of hunting in great forests, oh, Lakshmana, will be felling deer either for the sake of flesh, or just for the purpose of sporting archery.”
Ramayana of Valmiki, Ayodhya Kanda 2, Sarga 55, verse 33 “Thereafter having travelled only a couple of miles the two brothers Rama and Lakshmana killed many consecrated deer and ate in the river-forest of Yamuna.”
Vali addresses Rama
Ramayana of Valmiki, Kishikindha Kanda 4, Sarga 17, Verse 39 “Raghava, five kinds of five-nailed animals, viz., a kind of wild rodent, a kind of wild-boar, a kind of lizard, a hare and fifthly the turtle are edible for Brahmans and Kshatriya-s.”
If someone is answering your question, then that person can be assumed to be in a higher level than you, right? If yes, then can you not take a little pinch from him?
Do you think a person asking a question is inferior and a person answering superior ? Lets say an answerer is superior... In that case he must be more knowlegeable.. He firstly didn't understand what I am asking...I quoated a reference right..He thought I am a fool and offended me...
Even my reply to him is fair enough... He actually must ask Krishha, why you allowed meat eating... He doesn't dare becoz He is God...But since he thinks I am a fool , he asks me " Do you want to become meat ?" It is not fair. Is in't it..
I asked him to put this question to those who were actually hunting and who were eating meat. I showed sufficient proof from scriptures right...
I don't want to accept this superiority or inferiority... I am just thinking like this.. We are discussing certain things so that we can enlighten each other.. You may not know certain things...I may not know a few things..right... One must not think I am superior..Even my questioning may enlighten someone.. So one must not think that since I am asking , I am a fool...
Mathaji, You said so many things ..But you didn't quote any verse in which Krishna expresses so much compassion for animals and condemns meat eating... I am eagerly waiting for hearing such quotes from Him.. What is the use if you and me show compassion towards the poor animals and condemn meat eating ? Who will care to listen to us ? But they will listen if the supreme Lord speaks right ..
Hare Krsna
I am eagerly waiting for hearing such quotes from Him
ahiṁsā satyam asteyam
akāma-krodha-lobhatā
bhūta-priya-hitehā ca
dharmo ’yaṁ sārva-varṇikaḥ
Nonviolence, truthfulness, honesty, desire for the happiness and welfare of all others and freedom from lust, anger and greed constitute duties for all members of society.(SB 11.17.21)
ahiṁsā satyam asteyaṁ
yāvad-artha-parigrahaḥ
brahmacaryaṁ tapaḥ śaucaṁ
svādhyāyaḥ puruṣārcanam
One should practice nonviolence and truthfulness, should avoid thieving and be satisfied with possessing as much as he needs for his maintenance. He should abstain from sex life, perform austerity, be clean, study the Vedas and worship the supreme form of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.(SB 3.28.4)
amānitvam adambhitvam
ahiṁsā kṣāntir ārjavam
ācāryopāsanaṁ śaucaṁ
sthairyam ātma-vinigrahaḥ (BG 13.8)
adhyātma-jñāna-nityatvaṁ
tattva-jñānārtha-darśanam
etaj jñānam iti proktam
ajñānaṁ yad ato ’nyathā (BG 13.12)
Humility; pridelessness; nonviolence; tolerance; simplicity; approaching a bona fide spiritual master; cleanliness; steadiness; self-control (BG 13.8)
accepting the importance of self-realization; and philosophical search for the Absolute Truth – all these I declare to be knowledge, and besides this whatever there may be is ignorance. (BG 13.12)
When I am qoating somany verses from Ramayana, Mahabharatha, Bhagavatham, you still say I am speculating..
Because all the translations given above have been twisted to defame Lord Sri Rama. Please refer to translation by Vaishnava acaryas for their real accruate true meaning.
But I am very disappointed when I read puranas and Ithihasas...
That is because of relying on unauthorised translations
Hare Krsna
Hare Krsna,
Nonviolence, truthfulness, honesty, desire for the happiness and welfare of all others and freedom from lust, anger and greed constitute duties for all members of society (SB 11.17.21)
But he never says " you wretched fellows, ban the slaughterhouses.. You sinful wights, do not kill poor animals.. You wicked souls, do not eat meat.."
Ok, lets say somehow he says to follow Nonviolence..
I will prove rightnow, He is speaking this Nonviolence for namesake only..
Now look at this
https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01229.htm
"Then those foremost of car-warriors (Krishna and Arjuna), riding in their cars and placing themselves on opposite sides of that forest, began a great slaughter, on all sides, of the creatures dwelling in Khandava"
"The birds that took wings to escape from that conflagration were pierced by Arjuna with his shafts, and cut into pieces, they fell down into the burning element below. Pierced all over with Arjuna's shafts, the birds dropped down into the burning forest, uttering loud cries."
Arjuna didn't want to spare those poor birds who want to escape.. Krishna kept on looking silently..
Is this what He meant by Nonviolence ? ( You people say, He is the father of all jeevas.. All are like his children..
That means, those animals and birds are His children right ? Can any father massacre his own children like this ?
What harm did those hapless birds do to Krishna or Arjuna or anyone else ? )
Please don't say there is no " Khandava-daha Parva " in mahabharatha.
You think only Prabhupada's texts are authentic. Lets see some of the verses..
ŚB 10.58:
ŚB 10.69.35 : In another place He was on a hunting expedition. Mounted on His Sindhī horse and accompanied by the most heroic of the Yadus, He was killing animals meant for offering in sacrifice.
"Krishna hunted animals is mentioned by Prabhupada right.." But you don't want to believe
It was very common for them to hunt animals. why it is very hard for Iskcon people to accept that Lord Rama or Krishna ate meat ?
Lord Krishna or Rama or Pandavas never showed compassion on animals.. Truth is truth right.. Is there any use of hiding the truth ?
But I accept one thing.. The animals in the slaughterhouses are in much more worse situation..
I am just wondering one thing... Kings like Lord Rama, Pandavas, Rantideva, Dasaradha, Janaka etc., are punyathmas and mahathmas right ( though they mercilessly killed animals, becoz scriptures allowed hunting )..
Ok, did they atleast ban slaughterhouses and punish the butchers ? Did they atleast make it clear to their people " We kings can hunt and eat meat.. There is no sin for us.. But you people , don't go to butchers and buy meat and do not eat meat..We will punish you " like this ?
Now let's see what Narada instructs to king Prācīnabarhiṣat
https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/4/25/
Why Narada is saying like this, when there is no sin in killing in Yagna ? Why narada is not giving lecture to pandavas whp were hunting a lot ? What are these double standards ?
So you think the verses I quote are either interpolations or mistranslations .
Lets see my sources...
Mahabharatha translation by Kisari Mohan Ganguli ( https://sacred-texts.com/hin/maha/index.htm )
Ramayana translation by Sri Desiraju Hanumanta Rao (Bala, Aranya and Kishkindha Kanda ) https://www.valmikiramayan.net/index.html
Ramayana of Valmiki by Hari Prasad Shastri ( https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-ramayana-of- valmiki/d/doc424097.html )
It is not fair just to say they are unauthorised translations..
You must present what authorised translation is..
Lets take one verse..
Valmiki Ramayana, Aranya Kanda 3.43.31 “Kings pursuing games of hunting in great forests, oh, Lakshmana, will be felling deer either for the sake of flesh, or just for the purpose of sporting archery.”
Is it interpolation or mistranslation ?.. If mistranslation what is the correct translation ?
Likewise other verses....
None of the translators are muslims or christians or atheists... None of them are having ill intentions to defame Lord Rama..
When there are verses glorifying Lord, they presented as it is...
https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m16/m16008.htm
Vyasa said, ‘The mighty car-warriors of the Vrishni and the Andhaka races have all been consumed by the Brahmana’s curse. O chief of Kuru’s race, it behoveth thee not to grieve for their destruction. That which has happened had been ordained. It was the destiny of those high-souled warriors. Krishna suffered it to take place although he was fully competent to baffle it. Govinda was able to alter the very course of the universe with all its mobile and immobile creatures. What need then be said of the curse of even high-souled Brahmanas?
https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m16/m16008.htm
Markandeya continued, 'Having said so unto me that wonderful Deity vanished, O son, from my sight! I then beheld this varied and wondrous creation start into life. O king, O thou foremost of the Bharata race, I witnessed all this, so wonderful, O thou foremost of all virtuous men, at the end of the Yuga! And the Deity, of eyes large as lotus leaves, seen by me, in days of yore is this tiger among men, this Janardana who hath become thy relative! It is in consequence of the boon granted to me by this one that memory doth not fail me, that the period of my life, O son of Kunti, is so long and death itself is under my control. This is that ancient and supreme Lord Hari of inconceivable soul who hath taken his birth as Krishna of the Vrishni race, and who endued with mighty arms, seemeth to sport in this world! This one is Dhatri and Vidhatri, the Destroyer of all the Eternal, the bearer of the Sreevatsa mark on his breast, the Lord of the lord of all creatures, the highest of the high, called also Govinda! Beholding this foremost of all gods, this ever-victorious Being, attired in yellow robes, this chief of the Vrishni race, my recollection cometh back to me! This Madhava is the father and mother of all creatures! Ye bulls of the Kuru race, seek ye the refuge of this Protector!'
Chapter 120 - Brahma’s Praise of Rama
( https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-ramayana-of-valmiki/d/d...)
“You didst cover the Three Worlds in three strides; You didst bind the terrible Bali and establish Mahendra as King. Sita is Lakshmi and You, the God Vishnu, Krishna and Prajapati. It was in order to slay Ravana that You didst enter a human body. This task that we entrusted to You has been accomplished, O You, the foremost of those who observe their duty. Ravana having fallen, do You ascend to heaven joyfully I Your might is irresistible, O Rama, and thine exploits are never fruitless. To behold You and offer adoration to You is never unprofitable! It is not in vain that men are devoted to You on earth. Those who are ever faithful to You, attain to You who art the primeval Purusha and their desires will be fulfilled in this world and the other worlds. Those who recite this eternal, ancient and traditional theme, transmitted by the Rishis, will never suffer defeat.”
So, the glorifying verses were not mistranslated.. This proves that they translated as it is... What will they get if they twist the meanings ? It is Githa Press, Gorakhpur who mistranslates... They never show the verses where Lord Rama eats meat...
I have one more question...
Devotees like you say that " Krsna is so compaasionate . He arranged one living entity is food for another living entity ". I just failed to understand what kind of compassion is this ?
As our great devotee asked me, "
" Do you know anyone who will agree to be come meat ?
Just put yourself in the place of the person who is being killed. Would you agree to become meat ? "
I ask you what krishna is thinking about the living entities which were cursed to be the food of others...Why this greatly intelligent devotee is asking this question to me instead of asking the person who made such arrangement ?
I didn't say I like to eat meat..I will be the first one who would condemn and disapprove meat eating...
Becoz I put myselves in the place of those poor animals and imagine their pain...
I have seen meat eaters amongst People who will make a big cry even for the slightest injury they suffer..
These people often argue that God arranged meateating, siting some examples which I showed..
I only asked a question why is it sinful, if the supreme being arranged it so that I become fit to answer them?
People like us who condemn meat eating must be masters of such topic..Thats why we need to clarify all doubts..
Not even the slightest doubt must remain...
We must have thourough understanding of the sastra..Otherwise how will we answer the fools who argue that killing plants is same as killing animals
Hare KRsna Prabhu,
PAMHO.
" Krsna is so compaasionate . He arranged one living entity is food for another living entity ". I just failed to understand what kind of compassion is this ? Have you seen any animal who can consume plastic and digest it? No na. Consuming plastic is causing so many deaths of animals. So God's compassion is He created the world such that one living entity is food for another. By doing so, there is no waste in the eco system. It is a balanced eco system, where no great waste is being accumulated. Nature has its way of clearing the waste and cleansing herself. Isnt that a wonderful, thoughtful creation?
Imagine our jails, do we provide so much flora or fauna or self sufficient eco system to our jails? Can we provide? Think about it. You will get your answer.
As our great devotee asked me, "
" Do you know anyone who will agree to be come meat ?
Just put yourself in the place of the person who is being killed. Would you agree to become meat ? "
I ask you what krishna is thinking about the living entities which were cursed to be the food of others...Why this greatly intelligent devotee is asking this question to me instead of asking the person who made such arrangement ?
I replied to your post because I saw a fight brewing. My purpose was to give a satvik reply and calm both sides. I do not wish to be drawn into these squabbles.
Prabhu, since you are so knowledgeable, you would have read pranipatena pariprashnena sevaya.... - right? If you are asking any question, be prepared for any and every type of answer. It may not be agreeing with you, but why get into fight? If someone is answering your question, then that person can be assumed to be in a higher level than you, right? If yes, then can you not take a little pinch from him? If no, then why bother to reply at all? What is your purpose of asking these questions - seeking answers na. Is it that you are trying to prove your intellectual superiority in finding these queries and asking them here? If yes, we accept. If no, then be open to the answers you receive.
People like us who condemn meat eating must be masters of such topic..Thats why we need to clarify all doubts..
Not even the slightest doubt must remain...
We must have thorough understanding of the sastra..Otherwise how will we answer the fools who argue that killing plants is same as killing animals
To get the answer to this question, please refer to Perfect Questions and Perfect Answers book. Srila Prabhupada has covered it very nicely.
My experience with doubts related to spiritual subject matters is - regardless of how much anyone explains to us, it is REALISED knowledge. It has happened that I have understood something even after 20 years of being part of the movement, or faster - maybe in few months. Sprititual topics are not so easy to understand. It is not only logic that will give us the answer. It is a lot of sadhana, devotion, meditation, service to devotees and surrender to Srila Prabhupada and Krsna that will help.
Give yourself time prabhu. Try prabhu. Wait for the answers to be revealed to you. Then its like sunrise in the heart. The entire heart illuminates, the mind becomes free and you feel great. That time you dont feel on top of the world, you feel that you are at the lotus feet of Their Lordships.
I am not at all stopping you from asking. I am trying to refrain you from getting into fights, accepting the answers provided and meditating on them before asking again.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Radha Rasamayi DD
Hare Krsna
Then why it is a sin to eat meat ?
1. Do you know anyone who will agree to be come meat ? Just put yourself in the place of the person who is being killed.
2. Would you agree to become meat ?
3. If a person kills you and eats you, should he be punished or rewarded for killing ?
Please care to answer these 3 questions if you want me to answer the remaining of your questions.
Hare Krsna
If a person kills you and eats you, should he be punished or rewarded for killing ?
I ask you same question, You answer first..
Did I tell my opinion ?..I clearly quoted from sastra..i.e Bhagavatha revered by vaishnava devotees
wherein it is clearly stated "four-legged animals like deer and goats, as well as food grains, are meant to be the food of human beings. "
Referring to sastra, I asked when sastra allowed it, why is it sinful ?
Instead of trying to discuss the sastra you ask me
" Would you agree to become meat ? "
I ask you the same . Since you think you are a great devotee, you may answer, Oh I am a great devotee of Krishna,
I don't care if I become meat and eaten. I dont care if a person kills me and eats me "
But I am not such a great devotee like you. No one wants to get killed. I think even you, who is a great person.
You question the animals killed by Lord Rama, pandavas the great devotees and Lord krishna..
"Kings pursuing games of hunting in great forests, oh, Lakshmana, will be felling deer either for the sake of flesh, or just for the purpose of sporting archery. [3-43-31] "
"This comely Vaidehi will be sitting on that invaluable golden skin of that gem of a deer along with me. [3-43-35] "
"I think the skin of Kadali deer, or of Priyaki deer, or of Praveni deer, or as a matter of fact the skins of best breed of deer or sheep will not be match to the deerskin of this deer, insofar as the soft-touch is concerned. [3-43-36]"
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