Hare Krsna!

PAMHO!

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!

I wanted to share something that I was thinking in the past days and also wanted to ask some questions related to it.

In order to collect any knowledge, there appears to be a 3 step process.

1. In step 1, we surrender unto an authorized teacher, or an authorized institution and request them to provide us the knowledge. So this can be called SURRENDER UNTO THE BONA FIDE. An example can be that in order to get a B.Tech. degree, we take the shelter of a reputed and authorized engineering institute like IIT, NIT, MIT, Caltech etc.

2. In step 2, we practice the instructions given by the teachers affiliated / connected to the authority / institute to which we surrendered in the previous step, and read their literature. Hence it can be called PRACTICE + SWADHYAY. Taking the example of BTech degree, we attend the classes of the institute at scheduled times / days, give their exams, read their books etc.

3. In step 3, after completing the previous 2 steps, we realize the knowledge, get our degree and apply that knowledge in our lives. Hence it can be called REALIZATION + APPLICATION. Again taking BTech example, we complete the education, get the BTech degree and start applying the concepts learnt there in any of the respective profession.

Similarly, knowledge of The Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krsna is also, a KNOWLEDGE. And same process can be applied in getting the knowledge of Krsna. 

1. In step 1, we can surrender ourselves to a bona fide spiritual master and a bona fide institute that teaches the authentic knowledge of Krsna, which includes the 4 Vaishnava sampradayas mentioned in Padma Purana, of which ISKCON is one which teaches really authentic and as exhaustive knowledge about Krsna, as can be known by a human.

2. In step 2, we can practice the chanting, follow regulative principles and read authentic commentaries of scriptures like Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam, Chaitanya Charitamrita, Ramayana, other Puranas etc.

3. And in step 3, we can start the process of self realization by the first Harinama Initiation and hopefully, if we are able to discharge devotional service in love properly, go Back To Godhead one day.

But, why do some people don't treat the knowledge about Krsna like this. Why don't some people are never ready to surrender to any bona fide spiritual master, even when to get any other type of knowledge, they surrender to many schools, colleges etc. Even when we find that lot of what that is being taught in schools is actually just mere speculations (Big Bang / Evolution), and, sometimes altogether wrong information (Invaders were peaceful people).

There are politicians who question scriptures like Ramcharitmanas without reading an authentic Vaishnava commentary of it, but, they will never question History textbooks, which teach that invaders ruled over India were "PEACEFUL".

Thanks!

Haribol!

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  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna 

    Why some people don't treat the knowledge about Krsna like this. Why don't some people are never ready to surrender to any bona fide spiritual master, even when to get any other type of knowledge, they surrender to many schools, colleges etc ?

    These "people" you are referring to above are materialistic or demoniac people. Lord Sri Krsna describes their mentality as below 

    cintām aparimeyāṁ ca
    pralayāntām upāśritāḥ
    kāmopabhoga-paramā
    etāvad iti niścitāḥ
    āśā-pāśa-śatair baddhāḥ
    kāma-krodha-parāyaṇāḥ
    īhante kāma-bhogārtham
    anyāyenārtha-sañcayān
     
    They believe that to gratify the senses is the prime necessity of human civilization. Thus until the end of life their anxiety is immeasurable. Bound by a network of hundreds of thousands of desires and absorbed in lust and anger, they secure money by illegal means for sense gratification. ( BG 16. 11-12)
     
    As Sri Krsna says above the goal of demoniac people is sense gratification. Anything that facilitates their sense gratification, they support it, agree to it or surrender to it. The goal of every person (non-devotee) who is a doctor, student, politician, historian, scientisst, artist, sportsman, actor, lawyer etc is to fulfill their never ending material desires. Everything they do like study, pass exams, get job etc is focused to that purpose. Most people are agnostic to God, spiritual development because it doesn't help them fulfil their sex desire. 
     
    Spiritual development means enjoyment for Krsna and none for me. There is a very beautiful shloka in CC
     
    ātmendriya-prīti-vāñchā — tāre bali ‘kāma’
    kṛṣṇendriya-prīti-icchā dhare ‘prema’ nāma
     
    The desire to gratify one’s own senses is kāma [lust], but the desire to please the senses of Lord Kṛṣṇa is prema [love]. (CC Adi 4.165)
     
    So most people are haunted by Kama. Very rare/few souls are trying to get rid of their material desires. Even fewer are working to serve Krsna. So  whatever is glorified in the sinful civilation is exactly opposite to spiritual knowledge, spiritual practice. 

     

    There are politicians who question scriptures like Ramcharitmanas without reading an authentic Vaishnava commentary of it, but, they will never question History textbooks 

    Now if we go one level deeper, the materialistic desires are actually due to envy towards Krsna. But in general it is not manifest, unless one is really demoniac. So people who publicly defy scriptures etc are really very demoniac. Scriptures tell truth about reality of this world. Which demoniac people don;t want to listen to. So they defy it. We should not be surprised by it, because this material world is a place given to people who want to enjoy without Sri Krsna. So scriptures are a big obstacle in that pursuit of enjoyment. It is Sri Krsna who gives them the power and energy to go against scriptures. But all of their activities against God, spirituality etc will have consequences, serious consequences. 
     
    tān ahaṁ dviṣataḥ krūrān
    saṁsāreṣu narādhamān
    kṣipāmy ajasram aśubhān
    āsurīṣv eva yoniṣu
    Those who are envious and mischievous, who are the lowest among men, I perpetually cast into the ocean of material existence, into various demoniac species of life. ( BG 16.19)
     
    Please read the 16th Chapter of Bhagavad Gita As it is. Lord Sri Krsna exmplains in detail about demoniac people, how they think, act and what happens to them. 
     
    Hare Krsna
    • Hare Krsna Bharat Prabhu!

      Thanks a lot for the detailed answer with references from Bhagavad Gita. I have read these sections in Bhagavad Gita and had deduced similar conclusions regarding the issues I mentioned. I just needed views from the devotees so that I can validate my conclusions.

      Yes, its really true that demoniac tendencies and material desires tend to make people attack the scriptures, when they manifest in greater intensities.

      There are also TV shows like Ancient Aliens (which unfortunately I had watched some time before coming to Krsna Consciousness), where people try to explain that Lord Vishnu, the demigods etc. are nothing but aliens. It clearly shows that people of demoniac nature can not percieve that which is subtle and sublime, and hence tend to either reject / demean them, or, label them as "MATERIAL, BUT FROM ANOTHER PLANET".

      We just need to have discriminating ability between Truth and mental speculation / imagination.

      Thanks

      Haribol!

      • Sevak

        Hare Krsna 

        We just need to have discriminating ability between Truth and mental speculation / imagination.

        Absolutely right. But the more we discriminate, the more we come to the realization that anything which is not based on vedic scriptures is not likely in the best of our interest and it is likely to exploit us. So when we consume TV / internet garbage and try to discriminate or filter everything, we realize that it becomes very exhausting. Instead it is best not to deal with such garbage. Just read Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam. Engage mind in Krsna's lotus feet and be blissful. 

        Most things on TV internet and not even worth paying attention. And also the content is deteriorating month by month and day by day. So why bother

        Hare Krsna

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