Hare krsna matajis and prabhujis and Aapke chrnoon mein sat sat pranam.Pls KINDLY Answer my question.The question is same as above,Krsna in bhagavad gita said ""YOU JUST SURRENDER INTO ME I SHALL DELIVER YOU FROM ALL SINFUL REACTIONS.But krsna did not mention that if one SURRENDERs into him then he shall also deliver him from all types of OFFENSE FUL REACTIONS. Why like that??Krsna also said that, ""Even if one commits the most ABOMINABLE action, but if he is engaged in devotional service he is to be considered saintly because he is properly situated in his determination"".Then why krsna do not FORGIVE in case if his devotee commits vaishnav Apradh. Now in case of vaishnav Apradh, why the devotee goes away from krsna.Krsna knows past, present and future, so it means he also knows when, one of his child is going to offend the another.Now here in like this situation, why krsna does not control the MIND of the devotee who Is going to commit vaishnav Apradh and save that child, from not getting Radhika rani's mercy later. Why this happens??PLS LET ME TELL THAT I AM TALKING HERE NOT ABOUT ENVIOUS DEVOTEE who is a materialist in the dress of a vaishnav BUT I am talking about A SAINTLY DEVOTEE INFLUENCED BY MAYA'S TRICK who is going to commit vaishnav Apradh.So krsna does not FORGIVE even such a devotee who has commited vaishnav Apradh out of illusion or due to some circumstantial reason, or by mistake???SO MY QUESTION IS HE FORGIVES OR NO??IF NO THEN WHY IS IT LIKE THAT?BECAUSE KRSNA AS I HAVE ABOVE MENTIONED IN B.G. 9.30. HAS SAID,EVEN IF ONE COMMITS THE MOST ABOMINABLE ACTION......THEN WHY IS IT LIKE THAT?DO KRSNA ONLY PROTECTS HIS CHILDREN FROM SINS AND NOT FROM OFFENSES??WHY KRSNA IS NOT DOING SOMETHING? BFORE THE SITUATION GETS WORSE AFTER ALL HE IS THE SUPREME Controller AND THE SUPREME WITNESS.I AM ASKING THIS Question BECAUSE MANY OF THE DEVOTEES ARE COMMITING AND HAVE COMMITED VAISHNAV APRADH BECAUSE OF ILLUSION OR SOME OTHER REASON NOT BECAUSE OF ENVIOUSNEss.So, are they now bereft from devotional service. If yes then why like that?I have observed and seen many neophyte devotees criticising and Abusing each other, Even Madhyam Adhikari devotees do not behave properly.So why Radha krsna are not MERCYFUL in case of OFFENSEs.Note:- I am not talking here of those devotees who are really ENVIOUS and are materialists in the dress of vaishnav but I am talking of only those devotees who are COMMITING vaishnav Apradh due to illusion and many other reasons.Pls KINDLY help.SORRY IF I HAVE SPOKEN SOMETHING NONSENSE.YOUR INSIGNIFICANT AND FALLEN SERVANTCHARAN
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I completely agree with the answers given. Just to give you another perspective. Suppose Krsna forgave an offender and did not allow him to commit the offense at all. Then what happens?
1. Krsna is not allowing free will to the offender devotee.
2. The offender devotee does not get purified because he doesnt realise what he was thinking is an offense in the first place.
3. The offender devotee's sins are not cleansed, mind not purified.
4. He doesnt ever qualify to go back to Godhead. He never becomes a pure devotee.
Would it not be better to allow him to commit the offence and realise it, make amends for the offense and then repent, purifying himself and thus qualifying to go back home, back to Godhead.
The Supreme Personality of Godhead said to the brāhmaṇa: I am completely under the control of My devotees. Indeed, I am not at all independent. Because My devotees are completely devoid of material desires, I sit only within the cores of their hearts. What to speak of My devotee, even those who are devotees of My devotee are very dear to Me. ( SB-9.4.63)
Then why krsna do not FORGIVE in case if his devotee commits vaishnav Apradh. Now in case of vaishnav Apradh, why the devotee goes away from krsna.
Because Krsna considers Himself subservient to His devotees. Krsna loves and respects His pure devotees so much that Krsna considers them to be above Himself.
So when a person commits sin, or offense against Krsna then Krsna being merciful can forgive this. But an offense to his devotees is a greater offense because Krsna sees the stature of His devotee more than Him.
Krsna cannot forgive the offenders of His devotes before the devotees forgives the offender.
Krsna cannot go against His own devotee for the sake of the offender. So what Krsna does is He directs the offender to get forgiveness from His devotee first. If His devotee forgives, then Krsna will forgive the offender.
I hope this is clear. There is perfect logic in this.
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Hare Krsna Prabhuji,
PAMHO.
I completely agree with the answers given. Just to give you another perspective. Suppose Krsna forgave an offender and did not allow him to commit the offense at all. Then what happens?
1. Krsna is not allowing free will to the offender devotee.
2. The offender devotee does not get purified because he doesnt realise what he was thinking is an offense in the first place.
3. The offender devotee's sins are not cleansed, mind not purified.
4. He doesnt ever qualify to go back to Godhead. He never becomes a pure devotee.
Would it not be better to allow him to commit the offence and realise it, make amends for the offense and then repent, purifying himself and thus qualifying to go back home, back to Godhead.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Radha Rasamayi DD
Hare Krishna,
The Supreme Personality of Godhead said to the brāhmaṇa: I am completely under the control of My devotees. Indeed, I am not at all independent. Because My devotees are completely devoid of material desires, I sit only within the cores of their hearts. What to speak of My devotee, even those who are devotees of My devotee are very dear to Me. ( SB-9.4.63)
https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/9/4/63
go thru the purport as well.
Hare Krishna.
Hare Krsna
Then why krsna do not FORGIVE in case if his devotee commits vaishnav Apradh. Now in case of vaishnav Apradh, why the devotee goes away from krsna.
Because Krsna considers Himself subservient to His devotees. Krsna loves and respects His pure devotees so much that Krsna considers them to be above Himself.
So when a person commits sin, or offense against Krsna then Krsna being merciful can forgive this. But an offense to his devotees is a greater offense because Krsna sees the stature of His devotee more than Him.
Krsna cannot forgive the offenders of His devotes before the devotees forgives the offender.
Krsna cannot go against His own devotee for the sake of the offender. So what Krsna does is He directs the offender to get forgiveness from His devotee first. If His devotee forgives, then Krsna will forgive the offender.
I hope this is clear. There is perfect logic in this.
Hare Krsna