Hare Kṛṣṇa Madhava Dāsa, let me rewind something for you. You brought up Lord Śiva’s pastime with Mohinī-mūrti. But prabhu, you missed the point. Śiva is Ādi-guru, spotless in devotion. You are crawling to prostitutes, beer, and bhāṅg, then try to hide behind “even Śiva…” as an excuse. That’s like comparing a pure swan’s feather momentarily caught in a storm to a crow rolling in a carcass; not the same league, not even the same species.
You delete posts, run from your own words, and then demand others answer you with sugar on top. That’s not humility; that’s ego in saffron wrapping. You demand respectful answers? That’s not devotion, that’s cowardice. A real man owns his mistakes. A real devotee accepts the consequences of his sins without whimpering. But you? You want Kṛṣṇa’s mercy without burning your ego first.
You ask why material opulence and devotion don’t mix? Because fools like you still crave the poison after having nectar. You think chanting for seconds while dreaming of pleasure makes you a devotee? Kṛṣṇa calls such people "bada murkha" for a reason. Kṛṣṇa is merciful enough to let you taste the smoke before the fire.
Stop comparing your self-inflicted wounds to the Lord’s eternal pastimes. Stop deleting your shame to look clean. Stand in the truth and let purification burn, not just sprinkle. Then maybe, one day, you won’t need to defend yourself with someone else’s glory. No shortcuts, no excuses. Chant like your life depends on it. Hari Hari.
Madhava das > Govind SharanAugust 13, 2025 at 12:06am
" A real man owns his mistakes "
I am starting to wonder whether you are real. Why are you silent? Is it your ego or the extent of your aparadh that won't let you apologize? If I am lying about having quit intoxicants or not entertaining lustful thoughts then let me burn in hell.
Let truth prevail. Satyamev Jayate
" Because fools like you crave the poison after having nectar "
That's actually the right answer for the question under discusssion. So far I had been such a fool. But, not lately, I remember the time also since I became absolutely clean as far as the four regulative principles are concerned. 3: 38 pm on 3rd August 2025. I have not relapsed since then into any form of intoxicant or entertained any lustful thought that has resulted in masturbation. Masturbation is also illicit sex. This detail is unnecessary but you really insult me so I pray to Krsna that let the truth prevail and may He preserve my honour.
Hari bol
Madhava das > Govind SharanAugust 12, 2025 at 10:21pm
Yes Lord Siva is spotless, He is the top most Vaisnava. He was victimized by the Lord's internal potency in the form of Mohini-murti but he was not at all ashamed. In fact he was happy to have a master like Lord Visnu. Who else could bewilder him? The Lord was also happy with him and embraced him to his chest.
Madhava das > Govind SharanAugust 12, 2025 at 8:43pm
Hare Krsna
" You are crawling to prostitutes, beer and bhang. "
That is called speaking in present tense as if I am still doing it. Therefore, it is very wrong of you to speak like that about something which happened in the past. I have repented enough before i got the courage from Krsna to break all the past bad habits. Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita 9.31
api ced su duracaro bhajate mam ananya bhak
sadhu eva sa mantavayah
samyag vyavasito hi sah
Even if one is the greatest of all sinners bur if he is situated properly in his determination not to commit those sins again and continue in bhakti, he should not be considered fallen but saintly.
Perhaps you are a pure soul who has never committed a sin. Therefore, it is easy for you. Here, I am trying not to relapse into past bad habits again. So when you speak in present tense as if I am still doing it, it really hurts. That's why I deleted that discussion.
Elsewhere, Prabhupada has mentioned that a Vaisnava's past is not important. What he is in the present is important and it is not nice to bring up a Vaisnava's past. Perhaps he was a dog or dog eater in previous life or an insect that crawled in shit. None of that is important and it is offensive what you are doing. I hope you understand.
Hari bol
Govind Sharan > Madhava dasAugust 13, 2025 at 8:52pm
Okay, no problem. Hari Hari.
Madhava das > Madhava dasAugust 13, 2025 at 12:08am
It's Bhagavad-gita 9.30 actually but 9.31 is also to be read in the same context.
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Hare Kṛṣṇa Madhava Dāsa, let me rewind something for you. You brought up Lord Śiva’s pastime with Mohinī-mūrti. But prabhu, you missed the point. Śiva is Ādi-guru, spotless in devotion. You are crawling to prostitutes, beer, and bhāṅg, then try to hide behind “even Śiva…” as an excuse. That’s like comparing a pure swan’s feather momentarily caught in a storm to a crow rolling in a carcass; not the same league, not even the same species.
You delete posts, run from your own words, and then demand others answer you with sugar on top. That’s not humility; that’s ego in saffron wrapping. You demand respectful answers? That’s not devotion, that’s cowardice. A real man owns his mistakes. A real devotee accepts the consequences of his sins without whimpering. But you? You want Kṛṣṇa’s mercy without burning your ego first.
You ask why material opulence and devotion don’t mix? Because fools like you still crave the poison after having nectar. You think chanting for seconds while dreaming of pleasure makes you a devotee? Kṛṣṇa calls such people "bada murkha" for a reason. Kṛṣṇa is merciful enough to let you taste the smoke before the fire.
Stop comparing your self-inflicted wounds to the Lord’s eternal pastimes. Stop deleting your shame to look clean. Stand in the truth and let purification burn, not just sprinkle. Then maybe, one day, you won’t need to defend yourself with someone else’s glory. No shortcuts, no excuses. Chant like your life depends on it. Hari Hari.
" A real man owns his mistakes "
I am starting to wonder whether you are real. Why are you silent? Is it your ego or the extent of your aparadh that won't let you apologize? If I am lying about having quit intoxicants or not entertaining lustful thoughts then let me burn in hell.
Let truth prevail. Satyamev Jayate
" Because fools like you crave the poison after having nectar "
That's actually the right answer for the question under discusssion. So far I had been such a fool. But, not lately, I remember the time also since I became absolutely clean as far as the four regulative principles are concerned. 3: 38 pm on 3rd August 2025. I have not relapsed since then into any form of intoxicant or entertained any lustful thought that has resulted in masturbation. Masturbation is also illicit sex. This detail is unnecessary but you really insult me so I pray to Krsna that let the truth prevail and may He preserve my honour.
Hari bol
Yes Lord Siva is spotless, He is the top most Vaisnava. He was victimized by the Lord's internal potency in the form of Mohini-murti but he was not at all ashamed. In fact he was happy to have a master like Lord Visnu. Who else could bewilder him? The Lord was also happy with him and embraced him to his chest.
Hare Krsna
" You are crawling to prostitutes, beer and bhang. "
That is called speaking in present tense as if I am still doing it. Therefore, it is very wrong of you to speak like that about something which happened in the past. I have repented enough before i got the courage from Krsna to break all the past bad habits. Krsna says in Bhagavad-gita 9.31
api ced su duracaro bhajate mam ananya bhak
sadhu eva sa mantavayah
samyag vyavasito hi sah
Even if one is the greatest of all sinners bur if he is situated properly in his determination not to commit those sins again and continue in bhakti, he should not be considered fallen but saintly.
Perhaps you are a pure soul who has never committed a sin. Therefore, it is easy for you. Here, I am trying not to relapse into past bad habits again. So when you speak in present tense as if I am still doing it, it really hurts. That's why I deleted that discussion.
Elsewhere, Prabhupada has mentioned that a Vaisnava's past is not important. What he is in the present is important and it is not nice to bring up a Vaisnava's past. Perhaps he was a dog or dog eater in previous life or an insect that crawled in shit. None of that is important and it is offensive what you are doing. I hope you understand.
Hari bol
Okay, no problem. Hari Hari.
It's Bhagavad-gita 9.30 actually but 9.31 is also to be read in the same context.
Hari bol