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  • hare krishna....

    i'm apposing anything and any idea..but me being krishna's devotee ,im showing  u the evidence...and this is my view.....what i have pursued....after studying,,,observing... the  these many epics and all..

    i hope i did not hurt any one ....

    harer krishna

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    • a small correction i texted wrong...
      the first line.. it is "im not apposing"

  • hare krishna.....

    prabu... RAMA means...

    the first half of the name RA is taken from the narayana ashtakshari mantra OM NAMO NARAYANAYA. and the second half of the name MA is taken from the shiva panchakshari mantram OM NAMAH SHIVAYA. it infers that lord rama is the god having the powers of both shiva and keshava. this name was suggested and finalised by vashist maha muni...the epics are the evidence for this.....

    the arjuna's pashu patastra was given to him by lord krishna via lord shiva...2541171378?profile=original 

    hope u got the point....

    hare krishna... 

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  • 2541168777?profile=originalhare krishna....

    coming to ur second question.. u say y demons worship a devotee of krishna  and y cant they worship the demon dieties...

    first of all there are no demon dieties (upto my knowledge what krishna has blessed me is concerned)asuras do puja to shiva beacuse they knew that he would accept his prayers easily and shiva also gave boons in such way that those boons turns into curse because for their misuse...of it.and as i formerly said u it is all a play created by the all mighty to teach a moral to the living entity.did u observe all the boons given by shiva to the demons led to loka kalyanam only(this is the fact no one can object it)

    u said shiva is a krishna's devotee, that's true,but do u know that krishna performed shiva pooja while he was fighting with indra for the parijaata tree. krishna wanted the support from shiva  to win the battle even though he was alll alone enough to win over indra, we all know that rama did pooja for shiva before constructing ramseetu...and now that place is called rameshwaram wer the shivallingam was installed by lord rama himself,because he had a power to break the shiva danush at the time of seeta kalyanam he can easily kill ravana.can u say y did he do that,if he wouldnt  have done also rama has enough potential to cross the sea.. but y??????....

    wen shiva booned basmasura that he can have power of turnning anyone into ash just by placing his hand on others head,the egoistic demon wanted to try first on shiva itself atlast vishnu took mohini avatara and made a tit for tat to the demon.shiva is enough to kill the demon ,because a personality who can fire the bad from his eyes can easily kill the demon but y did he wait till vishnu's rescue,y????????..... can u answer.....im asking u to confuse u... just think...

    because they both are interlinked.. when shiva sits in dyanam he thinks about vishnu and when vishnu is in his yoganidra he thinks about shiva...do u know that before krishna preaching gita to arjun in dwapara yugam ,shiva preached shivagitam to lord rama...before constructing ramaseetu,bagavadgita is 18chapters and shiva geeta is 16 chapters.. ive reads both purports and both infer the same....then knowing about this i came to know that their is no discrimination in between them........ epic are evident here....we may go wrong but the epics which are built on the basement of dharmam never go wrong...........

    shiva himself saidto parvathi that"SRI RAMA RAMA RAMETI RAME RAAME MANORAME SAHASRANAMA THATULYAM RAMA NAMA VARANANE"it means that shiva says that rama is such a personality that if we chant his name its enough to wash all or sins and is equal of chanting  the vishnu sahasranamam(1000 names of vishnu)..they both are so involoved in eachother so only they both have the name together shivakeshva... shiva is symbol of victory wer ever his pujas are performed with full devotion there the victory lies.... and this was proved by vishnu himself.... the epics are the evidences... the rameshwaram temple in tamil nadu is the live evidence....they both together played so many plays that they tought us the meaning of life.yes he is the devotee of krishna.. because he took his 11th incarnation as hanuman in tretayug(im texting u from the place wer hanuman took his birth i.e.,the kishkinda ,formerly called as vijayanagara and now its called hospete)he took the form of a ape to serve and help vishnu who was in the form rama,they both together made an epic ramayanam...shiva took the form as hanuman and showe dthe whole universe that what do u mean a dasa or bantu(means slave to his master). and rama showed what u mean by ideal man...ahaaa what a awesome epic they created.....they worship ,pray,respect,love,and are affectionate to eachother..

    at last onething i would like to tell is that....

    in tretayug the good and bad wer on the either sides of ocean ,in dwapara yugam gud and bad werin the same house and noe in kaliyug the both gud and bad are in the same living body...so it upto us that how we kill the bad in us and encourge the gudness in us..dont forget... they are still playing a play..our birth and death are the only truth rest all we do is drama and this drama is directed ,screenplayed,produced,dailouges,choreographed,lycrics ..etc., everything by the one and only supreme.....

    hope u understood ...

    this is my opinion only... i have answered with the knowledge what i have got from krishna...if any queries u can contact me at vinayvanmali@gmail.com... 

    hare krishna......

  • hare krishna...

    maY KRISHNA BLESS U with all  that to desire and deserve.... hari bol.....

    prabhu.. as per ur question, the demons pray lord shiva only because he is called as boole nath ,as he accepts everyone as his children.......its easy to create love and affection by but its difficult to create the belief.... where shivji easily agrees  the demons. god gives us chance and freedom to the limit and extent where we can enjoy be happy by doing bad deeds too ,but nce after the limit exceeds.... if we still continue....  we will thrown into darkness of loneliness wer even nature wont help us to live.

    its all the game... of the lord... can u see the morality out of it.... i'll explain u

    mahavishnu,sadashiv and bramha dev are the trimurthies... they are the srushti stiti laya karakas...

    they know when what and why to do... we questioning them would be a foolishing thing.yes shiva gave boons to the demons but to the extent.even krishna gave 100 chances to kichaka after that he slitted him into two... and killed him.the boon given by shiva misused by them and they wer materialistically bounded and this was all directed by vishnu himself... because if the shiva wont gives the boon neither the demon would destory or hurt someone and if wouldnt do that...vishnu wouldnt taken all these incarnations and killed these demons and by doing they narrated a moral to all the living beings that how to leed a life.

    everyone say ravana is demon,but check the whole ramayanam,it is also given that ravan was also called ravana bramha because he was only person after hanuman who would do the sandyavandanam and chaturvadparayanamat once across all the sevens seas and all the four directions.he was sakal veda parangata and sakala kala prapurna i.e., he was a master in all subjects in this world,it was his materialistic nature which made him to do all the bad things.

    once in vaikuntam the lord was busy with his family life with his consort so he warned his securites the dwara palakas JAYA and VIJAYA that not to allow anyone inside as he wanted to spend time with his consort and they accepted but after sometime the kumara rushi pungavas came for the darshan of the lord as these gaurds had obey their master's words they did not allow them to go in so the engraged kumaras cursed them that they would take birth as mortals as normal humans on the earth and will lose all the divinty ,and by cursing these both they went away.worried jaya and vijaya went and fell  at the feet of the lord and asked him save them from the curse,then the the sarvantaryami said the they would take birth as humans but they would get mukti in his hands only.and as all we know the demons HIRANYAKSH,HIRANYAKASHYAP,RAVANA,KUMBAKARNA,KAMSA,TARAKASURA,BAAKASURA AND so many we all know ,they are all the same jaya and vijaya...only.

    THEIR EACH AND EVERY DEATH IN THE HANDS OF GOD GAVE ONE ONE MORAL AND GOOD MEANING...i would like say is that it was all the play at last .we are just puppets in his hands. one creates other takes away but in between one will maintain us,which is the most toughest thing.and while maintaining us to teach how to leed our life without any distraction and to avoid us from doing the bad karmas he made the whole drama.....hope u understood.

  • Hare Krishna. PAMHO. All glories to Srila Prabhupada! 

    Adapted from Shri Padma Purana, 
    Uttara Khanda Chapters 235-236.


    Parvati Said, "O Lord Shiva, You once told me that one should avoid speaking with Pasandi atheistic demon,and that doing so is worse then talking to candalas outcastes. Please tell me of what are the symptoms of such persons and what signs do they wear on their bodies?"

    Shiva replied,"Those Persons who,deluded by ignorance,describe any other deity being superior to Vishnu,The Lord of the world, are said to be Pasandis. Those who,although they do not belong to the Vanaprastha asrama, use skulls, decorate their bodies with ashes and bones, have non-Vedic marks, matted hair, and wear garments of tree bark, are said to be pasandis. Those brahmanas who are devoid of the marks and symbols dear to Vishnu, such as conches, discs,and vertical-lined tilaka worn on the forehead, are said to be pasandis. That brahman who does not follow the practices given in the sastra should be known as a pasandi and should be condemned by all people. Those who have no devotion for the Lord are said to be pasandi. One who behaves as he likes and offers oblations in to the fire for the worship of deities other than Lord Vishnu should be known as a pasandi, for Lord Vishnu is the enjoyer of fruit of all sacrifices and is the deity of brahmanas. He who considers Lord Vishnu as equal to other deities such as Brahma and myself, Rudra,should always be called a pasandi. That brahmana, who with his speech, body,and deeds dose not recognize Vishnu,is a pasandi. What is the use of saying much in this regard? Those brahmanas who are not devotees of Vishnu should never be asked any questions, should never be talked to,and should never be seen,"

    Parvati said,"O lord,O best of gods,I want to ask you something secret. Through love for me,please answer. I have a great doubt.The sastras condemn using skulls, decorating the body with ashes, and wearing skins of animals. Yet,you do all these things. Why are these thing condemned? O Lord of the gods, O highly intelligent one, due to women's natural fickleness I am asking you these questions. It may be that due to your great power you do not have to follow the sastric injunctions you just described, but previously you had not instructed me in this way. Therefore,O lord, please pardon my question."

    Inquired thus by Pavati in that lonely place free from people,Lord Shiva explained to her the great secrets of his own behavior. Shiva said, "O Goddess, please listen carefully. I shall tell you a very wonderful secret. You should not repeat what I am about to tell you to common people. I shall tell you the since your body is not separate form mine. Long ago, in the age of Swayambhuva Manu, there were many great demons like Namuchi [The demon Namuchi is described in Shrimad Bhagavatam 8.11.23-40.] who were very powerful and valorous heroes. All of them were devoted to Vishnu, acted purely, and were free from all sins. They followed the pratices laid down in the Vedas. Seeing this, all of gods head by Indra were greatly frustrated. Overcome by fear,they approached Lord Vishnu and took shelter of Him.

    "The devas said,'O Kesava, only You can conquer these great demons who cannot be conqured by all of the gods and who have washed off their sins with penance.'"

    Lord Shiva continued, "Hearing the frightful words of the demigods, Lord Vishnu, Purushottma consoled the devas,and said to me,'O Rudra,O you of might arms, O you who are the best of the gods, for the purpose of deluding the enemies of the demigods prepere a course of conduct to be followed by pasandis. Narrate to them the dark puranas, which will take them astray. O intelligent one, you should create holy texts that will cause the demons to become confused.

    "'Through devotion to Me,and for the good of the world, You should approach atheistic sages such as Kanada, Gautama,Sakti, Upamanyu, Jaimini, Kapila,[not to be confused with Kapila,the son of Devahuti], Durvasa, Mrikandu, Brihaspati, Bhargava, and Jamadagni. Exert upon them your power of suggestion. Being infused by your power they will become powerful pasandis. There is no doubt about it. Empowered by you, these brahmanas will narrate to the three worlds the Puranas and doctrines in the mode of ingnorance. O Shiva, on your person you should bear symbols like a skull, animal skins, ashes, and bones. Dressed in way you should fully delude everyone in the three Worlds. You should also inaugurate the pasupata order [The pasupates are a group of followers of Lord Shiva] with its divisions like kankala, saiva, pasanda and mahasaiva. Through these persons you should preach a doctrine whose followers wear no particular identifying marks and are outside the Vedic fold. Wearing ashes and bones, they will be bereft of higher consciousness and will consider you to be the greatest god.

    "'Taking to these doctrines, all of these demons will become averse to Me in a moment.There is no doubt it. O powerful Rudra,in every age in My different incarnations I too shall worship you to delude the demons. Following these doctrines,they will undoubtedly fall down.'"

    Lord Shiva then told Parvati, "O beautiful one, after hearing Lord Vishnu's words, although I am a good speaker I become helpless snd silent.Then offering my obeisances to Lord Vishnu, I said, O Lord,if I do what You have said,it will certainly lead to my destruction. It is is not possoble for me to carry out this instruction, yet Your order is not to be disobeyed. This is very Painful."

    "O goddess,hearing my words, Vishnu spoke in such way to restore my happiness. He said,'This will not be the cause of your destruction. Do as I order you for the good of the demigods. I shall also give you the means to maintain yourself while you are preaching these demoniac philosophies. Then with compassion, Lord Vishnu gave me the prayers known as Vishnu-sahasra-nama. Vishnu said,'Installing Me in your heart, utter My indestructible mantra. This very powerful six-syllable mantra is transcendental and awards liberation to thise who worship Me with devotion. There is no doubt about this.'

    indivar-dala-syamam padma-patra-vilocanam
    sankhanga-sarngesu-dharam sarvabharana-bhusitam

    pita-vastram catur-bahum janaki-priya-vallabham
    shri-ramaya nama ity evam uccaryam mantram-uttamam

    sarva-duhkha haram caitat papinam api mukti-dam
    imam mantram japan nityam amalas tvam bhavisyasi

    I offer my obeisances to Him, dark like the petal of a blue lotus, with lotus-petal eyes, holding a conch, a disc, and sarnga bow, adorned with all ornaments, wearing yellow ornements, having four arms, and who is the dear lord of Janaki, Sita-devi.The divine mantra, 'shri-ramaya namah,' should be chanted. It remones all lamentation and gives salvation to even sinners. One who regularly chants this mantra will be free from all contamination.[6.235.44-46]

    "'All of the sinful rections due to wearing ashes and bones will all be destroyed and everthing will beacome auspicious due to reciting My mantra. O best of the gods, being pleased I shall destroy all sin. By My blessings, devotion to no other god than Me will arise. In your heart, worship Me who is the Supreme Being. Obey My order. Due to love for Me, everything will be auspicious for you. 'Having thus ordered Me, O goddess, He dismissed the hosts of gods who then returned to their own abodes. The gods led by Indra then requested me, 'O Mahadev, Shiva, Quickly perform those beneficial acts as instructed by Lord Vishnu.'"

    Mahadeva then said to goddess Parvati, "O auspicious one, for the good of the gods I took to the way of the pasandis and started wearing skulls, hides, ashes, and bones. O auspicious one, as instructed by Lord Vishnu, I distributed the tamasic puranas and the pasandi Shiva doctrines. O sinless one, by entering Gautama and other brahmanas with my potency I proclaimed texts outside the Vedic fold. Adopting the system I gave, all of the wicked demons became averse to Lord Vishnu, and were enveloped in ignorance. Applying ashes to their bodies and performing severe penance, they stopped worship of Lord Vishnu and worshiped only me with flesh, blood and sandalwood.

    "Receiving boons from me, they became intoxicated with power and pride. They were very much attached to the object of the senses, and were full of lust and anger. In that condition, devoid of goodness, they were defeated by the devas. Bereft of righteous paths, those who resort to this doctrine of mine alway go to hell.

    "O goddess, thus this behavior of mine is only followed by me for the good of the gods. Following Lord Vishnu's order, I decorate myself with ashes and bones. O goddess, these external marks are meant only for deluding the demons. In my heart I always meditate upon the Supreme Lord Vishnu and always chant His mantras. By chanting this great six-syllable mantra I taste the eternal nectar of ecstatic joy. O Lady with an auspicious face, I have answered all that you have asked me. Affectionately I ask you, what else do you desire to hear?"

    Parvati said, "O sinless one, tell me about the tamasic scriptures that were composed by the brahmanas bereft of devotion to the Lord. O Lord of the demigods Please tell me their names in sequence.

    Lord Shiva replied, "O goddess, please listen. In sequence I shall tell you about the tamasic texts. Simply by remembering them even wise persons become deluded. First,I Myself proclaimed the Shiva, pasupata, and related texts. After my power had entered him, Kanada preached the Vaisesika Philosophy. Similarly, Gautama preached Nyaya,and Kapila preached the atheistic Sankhya. Brihaspati preached the much-censured Charvaka doctrine, and Buddha proclaimed Buddhism to destroy the demons.

    Padma Purana 6.236.7

    mayavadam asac chastram pracchannam bauddham uchyate
    mayaiva kalpitam devi kalau brahmana rupina

    "Mayavada or Advaita philosophy is an impious, wicked belief and against all the conclusions of the Vedas. It is only covered Buddhism. My dear Parvati, in Kali-Yoga I assume the form of a brahmana (Adi Shankara) and teach this imagined philosophy.

    Padma Purana 6.236.8-9

    apartham sruti-vakyanam darsayan loka-garhitam
    sva-karma-rupam tyajya tvam atraiva pratipadyate

    sarva-karma paribhrastair vaidharma tvam tad ucyate
    paresa-jiva-paraikyam maya tu pratipadyate

    "This mayavada advaita philosophy preached by me (in form of Adi Shankara) deprives the words of the holy texts of their actual meaning and thus it is condemned in the world. It recommends the renunciation of one's own duties, since those who have fallen from their duties say that the giving up of duties is religiosity. In this way, I have also falsely propounded the identity of the Supreme Lord and the individual soul."

    Padma Purana 6.236.10

    brahmanas caparam rupam nirgunam vaksyate maya
    sarva-svam jagato py asya mohanartham kalu yuge

    "In order to bewilder the atheists, in Kali-yuga, I describe the Supreme Personality of Godhead Lord Gauranga Krishna to be without any form and without qualities."


    Padma Purana 6.236.11

    vedante tu maha-sastrera mayavadam avaidikam
    mayaiva vaksyate devi jagatam nasha-karanat

    "Similarly, in explaning Vedanta mahashastra, I described the same non-scriptural and inauspicious mayavada philosophy in order to mislead the entire population toward atheism by denying the personal form of my beloved Lord."

    [As described in the seventh chapter of adi-lila of Shri Chaitanya Charitamrita, while speaking to Prakashananda Saraswati and the mayavadi sannyasis of Benares, Lord Shri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu cited these texts to show how Lord Shiva had come in Kali-yuga as Shripad Sankaracharya to propound the philosophy of monism and bewilder the souls. Cited translation of texts 7,10 and 11 are based on the translation of His Divine Grace Shrila A.C Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada as found in his purport to Cc. Adi 7.110.]

    • Hare Krishna

      Why would Lord Vishnu create Mayavada if it did not serve a holy purpose? 

      And this one is strange that the lord who is Satva guna resort to asking Lord Shiva to mislead, then how is it possible to believe anything? If you take the position that the Lord misleads people sometimes, then it is possible that he was also misleading Vaishnava. How do you rule that possibility out? After all he said Bhaja Govindam did he not?

       

  • Lord Shiva is the tamaguni-avatara, a Vishnu avatar (guna-avatara) governing the mode of ignorance (tamas), All those loving beings in the mode of ignorance are able to recognize and take shelter under Lord Shiva as their lord, including all the demons, ashuras, rakshasas, ghosts, pretas and pisachas etc., because he is so merciful (Ashutosha). The ashuras are to sinful, envious, and materially contaminated to be able to recognize or take shelter of Shri Krishna, the Supreme Personality of Godhead

    • Sir tamo gun of Lord shiva is not mayic or not of may a it is divya or devine krishn a says in Bhagwatam 11th canto shiva is my atman or my sou. He is god of demi gods
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