Hare Krishna! All Glories To Srila Prabhupada!I am very poor of Vedic knowledge so, I would like to apologise beforehand if something I mention later are not right.I understand that we, Gaudiya Vaishnavas treat Krishna as the Supreme Personality of Godhead and Lord Vishnu as His expansion. I also somewhat understand that we accept that Krishna who appeared in the Dwapara Yuga as the same Krishna who exists in the highest spiritual realm by quoting that the Supreme Personality of Godhead appeared on Earth in His original form in the previous yuga.My question is, why do Sri Vaishnavas do not accept this and instead they say that Lord Sriman Narayana is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and Krishna is just another incarnation of Lord Vishnu? It is also written that Lord Vishnu's name is mentioned about 93 times in the Rig Veda. However, there happens to be no mention of Krishna's name in any Vedas(as far as I am aware of). Please shed some light in this matter.My next question is, why do we accept Goloka Vrindavana as the highest of the spiritual planets while the Sri Vaishnavas accept Vaikunthaloka as the highest one? Why such contradiction exist?Also, I am aware that Srimati Radhika's name is not mentioned in the Srimad Bhagavatam directly but indirectly through the word 'anayaraditah'. Somewhere on the net, someone has written the 'gaudiya vaishnava CULT' has invented Radharani. I know that this is not right. How to refute this statement?These are my questions for now.Hare Krishna.Your servant of the servant of the servant,Bhaktin Sandhya
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Krsna who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.(Brahma Samhita 5.1)
dipaarcir eva hi dashaantaram abhyupetya dipaayate vivrta-hetu-samaana-dharmaa yas taadrg eva hi ca vishnutayaa vibhaati Govindam aadi-purusham tam aham bhajaami
The light of one candle being communicated to other candles, although it burns separately in them, is the same in its quality. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda who exhibits Himself equally in the same mobile manner in His various manifestations.(Brahma Samhita 5.46)
These two verses are taken from Brahma samhita which was present in Adi Kesava - Visnu temple in Kerala, which comes under Sri Sampradaya. All the Vishnu Murti's like Narasimha, Varaha, Vamana, Balaji etc are Bhagavan or Supreme personality of Godhead. Here Lord Brahma gives example of a candle .Each personal form Bhagavan can be understood to be like a candle. All candles are of equal brightness with none being greater or lesser than the other. But Brahma describes Krsna or Govinda as aadi purusam or the original Purusha which can be understood to be the source.
Why do Sri Vaishnavas do not accept this ? -> Not correct
Each sampradaya follow their predecessor acaryas. All acaryas accept Krsna as Supreme personality of godhead because it is clearly indicated in Bhagavad Gita. None of sampradaya/acarya say or follow anything contradictory to Bhagavad Gita. All sampradayas consider BG undoubtedly as a must read literature.
Many many Sri Vaishnavas have glorified Krsna like anything. King Kulasekara Alvar who is incarnatation of Kaustubha gem from the chest of Lord Vishnu has Glorified Krsna in mukunda mala stotra
Krsna being considered as incarnation of Vishnu is not incorrect because in every dvapara yuga there is incarnation of Vishnu who appears as Vaasudeva. But there is one dvapara yuga out of 1000 dvapara yuga where the incarnation of Vishnu doesnt appear but original Krsna from Goloka appears Himself.
Why do we accept Goloka Vrindavana as the highest of the spiritual planets when Sri Vaishnavas consider Vaikuntha as highest ?
Sri Vaishnavas consider Vaikuntha as the highest abode. But there are many vaikuntha planets. Goloka is also one of the vaikuntha planet. So both Sri Vaishnavas and Gaudiya vaishnavas are right.
Why Goloka is the highest of Vaikuntha planets ?
There is reference for this in Brahma samhita.
goloka-naamni nija-dhaamni tale ca tasya devi mahesha-hari-dhaamasu teshu teshu te te prabhaava-nicayaa vihitaash ca yena govindam aadi-purusham tam aham bhajaami
Lowest of all is located Devi-dhama [mundane world], next above it is Mahesa-dhama [abode of Mahesa]; above Mahesa-dhama is placed Hari-dhama [abode of Hari] and above them all is located Krishna's own realm named Goloka. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda, who has allotted their respective authorities to the rulers of those graded realms. (Brahma Samhita 5.43)
Somewhere on the net, someone has written something How to refute it ?
Anyone can write anything on internet. Nobody needs to refute it. One only needs to reject it. When one wants to practice devotional service, they take shelter of literature given by acaryas. Rest all writings can be safely preserved in garbage bin and not one's mind or intelligence.
Mentioning of Radha in literature
The name "Radha" does not directly appear in the Srimad Bhagavatam. So what.. there are many other literature which describe about radha - Gopala Tapani Upanisad, Rg Veda Parisista, Paippalada Samhita, Purusa-bodhini Sruti, Purusottama Tapini etc. Not to mention the literature left by Gosvamis of Vrindavan and their followers.
Worship of Radharani was also criticized by some less informed persons known as Ramananadis. Ramanandis were defeated by Baladeva Vidyabhushan. This link describes it. But even Ramanandis did not question the existence of Radha. Nobody can do that.
Ya, on internet they can try to mislead people but then people who are already misled only go to internet for learning about bhakti.
Just one correction - Ramanandis are worshippers of Lord Rama. They worship Sita-Rama. The issue raised by them was that RadhaKrsna were not married. Baladeva Vidyabhushan established it is bonafide to worship Radha Krishna.
Hare krishna Bharat prabhu....All glories to you...around one year back, i had a indepth debate with a person from Ramanandi sampradaya...their website is www.lordrama.co.in
Although they establish lord ramachandra as the supreme person....they severely offend krishna and gaudiya vaishnavas ...its continuing still....I also mentioned garga samhita etc....no use...hence i stopped discussing these aspects...Anyway.....your reply was wonderful....
yours humble servant
Lord Rama (श्रीराम)
The prince Charming of Ayodhya, Lord Rama is the supreme god in Hinduism. Lord Rama is the most superior, known as Purusa or Purushottama in Veda-s.…
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Hare Krishna!
Thank you Bharat prabhu for your illuminating reply.
Sincerely,
Bhaktin Sandhya
Hare Krsna
There is no contradictions between any of the four bonafide sampradayas
Scriptural reference for asserting that Krsna is original incarnation
ishvarah paramah krshnah
sac-cid-aananda-vigrahah
anaadir aadir govindah
sarva-kaarana-kaaranam
Krsna who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.(Brahma Samhita 5.1)
dipaarcir eva hi dashaantaram abhyupetya
dipaayate vivrta-hetu-samaana-dharmaa
yas taadrg eva hi ca vishnutayaa vibhaati
Govindam aadi-purusham tam aham bhajaami
The light of one candle being communicated to other candles, although it burns separately in them, is the same in its quality. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda who exhibits Himself equally in the same mobile manner in His various manifestations.(Brahma Samhita 5.46)
These two verses are taken from Brahma samhita which was present in Adi Kesava - Visnu temple in Kerala, which comes under Sri Sampradaya. All the Vishnu Murti's like Narasimha, Varaha, Vamana, Balaji etc are Bhagavan or Supreme personality of Godhead. Here Lord Brahma gives example of a candle .Each personal form Bhagavan can be understood to be like a candle. All candles are of equal brightness with none being greater or lesser than the other. But Brahma describes Krsna or Govinda as aadi purusam or the original Purusha which can be understood to be the source.
Why do Sri Vaishnavas do not accept this ? -> Not correct
Each sampradaya follow their predecessor acaryas. All acaryas accept Krsna as Supreme personality of godhead because it is clearly indicated in Bhagavad Gita. None of sampradaya/acarya say or follow anything contradictory to Bhagavad Gita. All sampradayas consider BG undoubtedly as a must read literature.
Many many Sri Vaishnavas have glorified Krsna like anything. King Kulasekara Alvar who is incarnatation of Kaustubha gem from the chest of Lord Vishnu has Glorified Krsna in mukunda mala stotra
Krsna being considered as incarnation of Vishnu is not incorrect because in every dvapara yuga there is incarnation of Vishnu who appears as Vaasudeva. But there is one dvapara yuga out of 1000 dvapara yuga where the incarnation of Vishnu doesnt appear but original Krsna from Goloka appears Himself.
Why do we accept Goloka Vrindavana as the highest of the spiritual planets when Sri Vaishnavas consider Vaikuntha as highest ?
Sri Vaishnavas consider Vaikuntha as the highest abode. But there are many vaikuntha planets. Goloka is also one of the vaikuntha planet. So both Sri Vaishnavas and Gaudiya vaishnavas are right.
Why Goloka is the highest of Vaikuntha planets ?
There is reference for this in Brahma samhita.
goloka-naamni nija-dhaamni tale ca tasya
devi mahesha-hari-dhaamasu teshu teshu
te te prabhaava-nicayaa vihitaash ca yena
govindam aadi-purusham tam aham bhajaami
Lowest of all is located Devi-dhama [mundane world], next above it is Mahesa-dhama [abode of Mahesa]; above Mahesa-dhama is placed Hari-dhama [abode of Hari] and above them all is located Krishna's own realm named Goloka. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda, who has allotted their respective authorities to the rulers of those graded realms. (Brahma Samhita 5.43)
Somewhere on the net, someone has written something How to refute it ?
Anyone can write anything on internet. Nobody needs to refute it. One only needs to reject it. When one wants to practice devotional service, they take shelter of literature given by acaryas. Rest all writings can be safely preserved in garbage bin and not one's mind or intelligence.
Mentioning of Radha in literature
The name "Radha" does not directly appear in the Srimad Bhagavatam. So what.. there are many other literature which describe about radha - Gopala Tapani Upanisad, Rg Veda Parisista, Paippalada Samhita, Purusa-bodhini Sruti, Purusottama Tapini etc. Not to mention the literature left by Gosvamis of Vrindavan and their followers.
Worship of Radharani was also criticized by some less informed persons known as Ramananadis. Ramanandis were defeated by Baladeva Vidyabhushan. This link describes it. But even Ramanandis did not question the existence of Radha. Nobody can do that.
Ya, on internet they can try to mislead people but then people who are already misled only go to internet for learning about bhakti.
Hare Krsna
Just one correction - Ramanandis are worshippers of Lord Rama. They worship Sita-Rama. The issue raised by them was that RadhaKrsna were not married. Baladeva Vidyabhushan established it is bonafide to worship Radha Krishna.
Hare krishna Bharat prabhu....All glories to you...around one year back, i had a indepth debate with a person from Ramanandi sampradaya...their website is www.lordrama.co.in
Although they establish lord ramachandra as the supreme person....they severely offend krishna and gaudiya vaishnavas ...its continuing still....I also mentioned garga samhita etc....no use...hence i stopped discussing these aspects...Anyway.....your reply was wonderful....
yours humble servant