Where do we come from

PAMHO Hare krishna,

                                 Where do we come from, i have been reading srila prabhupad's books, i would like to ask this quesion to this forum. My understanding is, we are spiritual souls coming from Krishna. Can someone explain me in detail about this

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S.Aravind

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  • [ "Where do we come from, i have been reading srila prabhupad's books,

    i would like to ask this question to this forum.

    My understanding is, we are spiritual souls coming from Krishna.

    Can someone explain me in detail about this." ]

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    Here is what I was taught in Temple lectures:

    In our primaeval origin, we are emanated from Srimati Radharani.  She, Herself, is an emanation of Sri Krishna's Internal Devotional Potency, in primal origin coming from Sri Krsna.

    But, we Jivas (souls), were originally personalized in Sri Krishna's personal pastimes in Goloka Vrndavan.

    We all come from that original pastime with Sri Krsna.

    Now it is time to return to that activity and never return to the material manifestation.

    We say aham brhamasmi -  "I am spirit soul"  

    and, we are achintya-bheda-bheda-tattva - "part and parcel of the Lord."

     

  • SB 10.12.33From the body of the gigantic python, a glaring effulgence came out, illuminating all directions, and stayed individually in the sky until Kṛṣṇa came out from the corpse’s mouth. Then, as all the demigods looked on, this effulgence entered into Kṛṣṇa’s body.
    SB 10.78.10A most subtle and wondrous spark of light then [rose from the demon’s body and] entered Lord Kṛṣṇa while everyone looked on, O King, just as when Śiśupāla was killed.
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    tattvam asi, thats you.
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    • Sevak

      Hare Krsna

      BG As it is 2.54 Purport :  It is said that a fool is undiscovered as long as he does not speak, and certainly a well-dressed fool cannot be identified unless he speaks, but as soon as he speaks, he reveals himself at once.

      SB 3.24.42 Purport : It is said by Canakya Pandita that a rascal appears very intelligent as long as he does not speak. But speaking is the test.

      CC Adi Introduction : It is the fool who is celebrated as long as he does not speak, for when he breaks his silence his lack of knowledge is exposed.

      JSD 6.5 : A rascal, a fool, is prestigious as long as he does not speak. As soon as he speaks, his nature will be revealed—what he really is.

      namas te sarasvate deve gaura-vani-pracarine
      nirvisesa-sünyavadi-pascatya-desa-tarine
      I respectful obeisances are unto you, O spiritual master, servant of Sarasvati Gosvami. You are kindly preaching the message of Lord Caitanyadeva and delivering the Western countries, which are filled with impersonalism and voidism.

      Thank you Srila prabhupad for saving us from impersonalism. 

      It is the foolish impersonalists who think that jivas are light, come from light and merge into light.  Being in so much dark ignorance of impersonalism all they can imagine is light.

      Arvind Pr by ignoring the above comments made by dean you will save yourself from the darkness of impersonalism

      • Haridasa said: 
        "All living entities in creation are inspired by the Lord in the heart to act in different ways. People of different religions praise the Lord's holy names and qualities according to the view of their scriptures. The Supreme Lord accepts everyone's mood. If anyone shows malice towards another's religion he ac­tually shows malice to the Lord Himself, who is worshiped by that religion. Since God is one, that person becomes envious of the same Supreme Lord that he himself is worshiping."
        SB 3.29.21I am present in every living entity as the Supersoul. If someone neglects or disregards that Supersoul everywhere and engages himself in the worship of the Deity in the temple, that is simply imitation.
        SB 3.29.22One who worships the Deity of Godhead in the temples but does not know that the Supreme Lord, as Paramātmā, is situated in every living entity’s heart, must be in ignorance and is compared to one who offers oblations into ashes.
        SB 3.29.23One who offers Me respect but is envious of the bodies of others and is therefore a separatist never attains peace of mind, because of his inimical behavior towards other living entities.
        SB 3.29.24My dear mother, even if he worships with proper rituals and paraphernalia, a person who is ignorant of My presence in all living entities never pleases Me by the worship of My Deities in the temple.

        • Beautiful words Dean Prabhu.

          Hare Krishna.. :)

          • this beautiful  words of haridasa namacarya and srimad bhagavatam is like the nectar which real devotees drinking ,and its like poison from the perspective of speculative proud separatists .

  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna

    You are right we are spirit souls - Jiva atma. Krsna is the supreme spirit - parama atma. 

    Jiva is  sat cit and ananda. Krsna is also sat cit ananda

    Jiva is very tiny. Krishna is unlimited. Krsna has unlimited potencies- sakti. We are also Krsna's energy. Of the multi-potencies of Krsna three main energies are - Internal energy(antaranga sakti), external energy(bahiranga sakti) and marginal energy(tatastha sakti). Krsna is the shaktiman who posses these shaktis. 

    The unique attribute of jiva - marginal potency is that it is to be situated under either the internal or the external energy. Constitutionally jiva is rightfully situated under the internal energy in spiritual world where jiva has a unique sat cit ananda svarupa - permanent unchanging form in which the jiva serves the lord eternally. 

    But the jiva has a choice - "free-will"  to either serve the lord or not to serve the lord. When the jiva does not want to serve the lord, it is put under the external energy in the material world. In material world jiva gets different bodies like Krsna says in BG As it is Chapter 2. 

    Jivas even in material world have a choice whether to remain in material world or to go back to spiritual world. 

    As you have said origin of jiva is Krsna himself since Krsna is the source of everything (including everything). Jiva in material world has come from spiritual world leaving its eternal svarupa and is trying to enjoy the external energy of the lord. Jiva can never become equal to Krsna, but it is trying to become Krsna by lording it over the material energy.

    YAS Bharat

    • "But the jiva has a choice - "free-will"  to either serve the lord or not to serve the lord. When the jiva does not want to serve the lord, it is put under the external energy in the material world "

      The above point you have mentioned is what i was trying to pull out from devotees as part of this discussion. Can you please tell me when we are asked to serve and when we denied serving krsna, were we interviewed by someone before coming to this material world?

      • Sevak

        Hare Krsna

        What kind of interview are you talking about ? Please elaborate 

        YAS Bharat

        • Hare Krishna bharat prabhuji
          Bg 8.21 — That which the Vedāntists describe as unmanifest and infallible, that which is known as the supreme destination, that place from which, having attained it, one never returns – that is My supreme abode.
          Lord Krishna assures that no one ever falls from his Abode. 
          So the original place of jiva cannot be Spiritual World. 
          Scriptures only say "Jiva has anadi (beginningless) karma"
          The theory that Jiva had a choice and it chose its destiny, i believe, are mostly speculations since there's aren't tangle proofs from shastras to state this.
          Jai Srila Prabhupada
          Ashwin
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