Jai Sri Krishna,
I hope the members of IDT are not holding any grudges against me for me being an admirer of some other path. If i like one particular path, its not going to be that i will hate the rest. I'm a student of different sects and philosophies. To me, all paths leads us to divinity. But that's just my belief. You don't have to accept what i say.
Now, that being said, i have a question, since i'm learning about achintya bheda abheda philosophy as well. :)
What do the gaudya vishnavas mean by "jivas are fragmental particles / part-and-parcel / amshas of Krishna?
Does the supersoul or paramatma splits into multiple wordly souls. Is that what we should understand by us being amsha of Krishna? Please educate me on this matter.
Thank you.
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Hare Krishna Prabhu ji!
PAMHO
It means that we are his spark. anything good in us is coming from lord Krishna and as said in the bhagavad gita, he is the seed giving father. and no, it doesn't mean that god splits into many souls. if it did mean that, then why would lord Krishna say that there was never a time when the jivas or lord Krishna didn't exist? plus that is kind of advaita phiosophy because if lord Krishna only divided himself into so many forms then we are Krishna (it coud be that you didn't mean it this way) but if we are, then how can we be stuck in this material universe?
the members of IDT are all devotees prabhu ji, they're very compassionate and they wil definitely help if you ask for it. but kindly refrain from talking about advaida vaad here because we don't believe neither do we like it. if you ever ask about any misconception, it would be answered
Hare Krishna
Rest assured that i'm not here to preach or discuss any other philosophies. I'll be discussing only achintya bheda abheda here. And i hope Bharat ji and Gayatri ji would also participate in this discussion and help me learn more about gaudiya vaishnavism and won't discriminate against me because of my interest in multiple religious paths.
Could you or anyone else please explain, what exactly it is meant by "we are sparks of Krishna"?
Hare Krsna
And i hope Bharat ji and Gayatri ji would also participate in this discussion and help me learn more about gaudiya vaishnavism and won't discriminate against me because of my interest in multiple religious paths.
Mayavadis will not be encouraged. Discrimination is a faculty of intelligence. Intelligence will be used against poisonous philosphies/ enquiries and doubt creating pretentious mayavadis.
Hare Krsna
Metaphor to explain what exactly.
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It is better to stay away from mayavadis.
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It means that anything which is good in us us is just a spark of the greatness of shri Krishna. we should even meditate on it this way, you see anyone with extraordinary strength, think how that's just a spark of Krishna's strength. Poetically we can also think of it this way, we are sparks revolving around the fire of Krishna consciousness, if we are close to it (doing bhakti) then even our own beauty is enhanced but if we stay away from it (be materialistic) then we are vanquished
prabhu ji, they are great devotees. they migh not participate in this discussion but it could be for some other reason. not because of you following another path. lord krishna himself says that bhakti is better than all other philosophy because it's soooo sweet! but if you want to follow another path, that's your call and Krishna's choice
Hare Krishna!
So by spark or fragment, we should NOT understand the jivas to be a broken off portion of the supersoul. Is that it?
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Mayavadis are not welcome
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yes Prabhu ji
Hare Krishna
And how are we one with Krishna and yet separate? Please explain.
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