Sucide Effects, need help please

Hare krishna,

 

kindly tell what are the effects of Sucide activity for person.

 

1. in case person is devotee (with bonafide diksha)

2. in case person is New devotee (without bonafide diksha but have spent two years in practising)

3. in case person is Non- devotee

4. Is there are any conditions in scriptures where it is allowed

5. In condition when person is not in position to face society bacause of his bad reputation,previous sinful activities can he commit sucide ?

 

thanks in advance.

 

 

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  • Hare Krsna Prabhuji

    The very first thing is that sucide is an activity which is done by those people who live with ignorance.
    ignorance means they think that if we commit sucide then our problems will be solved and we will not have to suffer any more.
    this is the ignorance.

    As u said if the person is devotee then what will be the reaction?
    my opinion is that if a person is true devotee then he can never commit sucide in any situation of life because a true devotee have following qualities:

    These qualities of a devotee, twenty-six in number, are listed by Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu:

    1.kind to everyone, 2.does not quarrel with anyone, 3.fixed in the Absolute Truth, 4.equal to everyone, 5.faultless, 6.charitable, 7.mild, 8.clean, 9.simple, without material possession, 10.benevolent, 11.peaceful, 12.completely attached to Krsna, 13.has no material hankering, 14.meek, 15.steady, 16.self-controlled, 17.does not eat more than required, 18.sane, 19.respectful, 20.humble, 21.grave, 22.compassionate, 23.friendly, 24.poetic, 25.silent, 26.expert


    1. KIND TO EVERYONE
    The devotee is merciful because he is the well-wishing friend of all living entities. He is not only favorably inclined to the human society but also to plants and animals. He treats all living entities in such a way that they can ultimately become free from material bondage and go back home, back to Godhead.

    2. HUMBLE, DOES NOT QUARREL WITH ANYONE
    To be humble means that one is not hankering to be worshiped by others. Humility should not be artificial but honest, deep, and natural. It will develop when the conditioned soul admits its wrong attitude towards Krsna and prays to Him for forgiveness and to be allowed to always engage in His devotional service.

    3.TRUTHFUL, FIXED IN THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH
    The primary truthfulness for a disciple to keep his vow of following the regulative principles and chanting 16 rounds of japa every day. Also, a devotee should not perform any illegal activities and he should always act in Krsna's interest and not in his own in order to remain fixed in the absolute truth.

    4.EQUAL TO EVERYONE
    A devotee sees the soul and the Supersoul in everyone's heart and treats every living entity according to its position and in a way that is most beneficial for its spiritual progress.

    5.FAULTLESS
    A devotee, who in words, deeds, and mind is always surrendered to Krsna and who executes Krsna's desire to the best of his ability is considered to be faultless.

    6.CHARITABLE
    A devotee is charitable because he knows that love for Krsna is the best, and he distributes it without selfish motives. His charity has no limits, just like the happiness someone experiences who got the gift of Krsna consciousness.

    7.MILD
    A devotee avoids illusory, materialistic happiness, and thus is spared from the suffering which is bound to it. He always remains peaceful, because he is satisfied within Krsna consciousness.

    8.CLEAN, PURE
    The Krsna conscious movement is meant for purifying the world in a revolutionary way-by hygienic external principles as well as by chanting the Hare Krsna maha-mantra which purifies the heart.

    9.SIMPLE, WITHOUT MATERIAL POSSESSION
    The highest realization is to see everything as Krsna's property. The sincere devotee is not only satisfied to see everything as Krsna's property, but also to engage everything in a proper way in Krsna's service.

    10.BENEVOLENT
    Since Krsna-consciousness effects the heart of every living entity, the welfare work of a devotee is not restricted to a specific race, species, etc., but for the benefit of all living entities.

    11.PEACEFUL
    To be peaceful does not mean to physically maintain idyllic peace but to experience real peace in one's relationship with Krsna. Only someone who has realized that there is nothing beyond Krsna can achieve real peace and fearlessness.

    12.COMPLETELY ATTACHED TO KRSNA
    Devotion to Krsna is neither sentimental nor whimsical but authorized and scientific. By practicing devotional service we can learn to surrender properly. Complete surrender to Krsna is the goal of every devotee because he wants to become free from material desires in order to serve Krsna more and more. Complete surrender to Krsna is the most important of all qualities to be developed.

    13.DESIRELESS
    When one is fully engaged in devotional service, one realizes that all one's desires are satisfied. Thus one does not have any material desire anymore. One only desires to serve guru and Krsna.

    14.INDIFFERENCE TOWARDS MATERIAL POSSESSIONS
    A devotee may use things in Krsna's service but he does not become attached to or dependent on them. He may serve Krsna with millions of dollars by opening temples, printing books, etc. However, he is also satisfied when he does not have any material assets and then simply chants Hare Krsna.

    15.STEADY, FIXED
    The realizations of a devotee should be so profound that his dedication to his spiritual master and Krsna cannot be influenced anymore by various temptations, suffering or opposing philosophies.

    16.SELF-CONTROLLED
    There are six bad qualities, namely lust, anger, greed, illusion, madness and envy. A pure devotee controls these bad qualities by engaging in Krsna's service. These qualities cannot be left behind in an artificial way by can be easily counteracted with transcendental knowledge and transcendental taste arising from one's devotional service.

    17.DOES NOT EAT MORE THAN REQUIRED
    Lord Krsna explains in the Bhagavad-gita that a yogi does not eat too much nor too little. This means practically exactly as much as he can easily digest. According to Ayurveda, one's stomach should be filled with 1/2 food, 1/4 water, and 1/4 air.

    18.SANE
    A devotee is never intoxicated by material enjoyment. He reduces his requirements to a minimum and offers his whole life to Krsna. In this way he is completely balanced.

    19.RESPECTFUL
    A devotee offers respect to others without expecting anything in return. He respects everyone as part of Krsna and treats them accordingly.

    20.HAS NO MATERIAL HANKERING
    A devotee is not attracted by material possessions which help us to gain a prestigious position. He sees everything attractive in this world as a reflection of Krsna, the all-attractive cause of all causes.

    21.GRAVE
    Although we lead a happy life in Krsna consciousness, we are always conscious that the material existence can be finished at any time and that the way back home, back to Godhead is not cheap. To be grave means that the devotee is constantly thinking of Krsna and the ultimate goal of life.

    22.COMPASSIONATE
    The essence of compassion is the distribution of transcendental knowledge. The basis of it are Srila Prabhupada's books and the force behind it is our purity.

    23.FRIENDLY
    A devotee is friendly because he leads everyone to Krsna, who is the best friend of all living entities.

    24.POETIC
    A devotee is even poetic if he is not literarily active because he is able to connect everything with Krsna's transcendental nature.

    25.SILENT
    Silence means that one only speaks about Krsna and not about material topics.

    26.EXPERT
    The essence of the expertise of a devotee is that he can do anything for Krsna. The best expertise is to surrender to Krsna.

    Along with this our real identity is we r not this body we r soul and for the soul there is neither birth nor death at any
    time.
    There are different levels of body. There is gross body that you see and then inside is a subtle body.
    There is Sthool Shrira and there is Suksham Shrira. The sthool is which you can see. The gross body consists of earth, water, fire, air & ether. So this is the gross body and when a person dies,
    what dies is this gross body. But then there is a subtle body. What is this subtle body composed of? Mana, Budhi and Mithya ahankar that is mind, intelligence and false ego.At the time of death, what
    happens is, the gross body dies and the soul goes along with the subtle body into another body. Therefore they can remember previous lives in some cases because of certain kinds of Karma.So death means death of the gross body.This is the process of reincarnation or rebirth or life after death.

    So it is clear that if some one commit sucide then it is not the end of the problems. In next life he will again get reactions of the karma. And real problems r those which belongs to every one n those r:
    Birth,death,disease,problems caused by body and mind etc.

    So one should never commit sucide because it is not the solution of the problems but one should do inquire about the solution of the real problems. And the solution is given in Bhagavad gita as it is
    .So please read and understand its meaning.

    For Bhagavad gita as it is and many books written by Maharaj Srila Prbhupad please visit
    http://causelessmercy.com
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    Ys

    amit kumar
  • Hare Krishna to all wonderful expert devotees. I have no offenses to anybody please. I had answered Pawar Prabhu’ original question.
    Question floated by N.B.Pawar Prabhu was that whether the devotee/nondevotee is committing a sin by commiting suicide.
    Repected Sanvi dd has shifted the question of discussion to : What Is the duty of onlooker devotee.
    Well I will now speak about that.
    The answer of respected Sanvi Devi Dasi given 17 hours ago in toto, Is the right and appropriate answer to the shifted question.
    But here we have to remember to first catch the train “Back To Godhead” and then offer our supportive hand to others for pulling others aboard the train. It should not be otherwise : You lifting up the unwilling persons to board the train, and meanwhile in this process the train starts leaving you behind on the platform because you were not able to board the train since you were helping/pushing others for boarding the same. You were lost in helping others so much that you forgot yourself.
    I don’t think Lord Chaitanya, Lord Krishna, or any other saints has anywhere asked you to do so.
    My opinion is that my first and foremost duty is towards myself and then to others, and not vice-versa. If I am wrong please correct me. I am willing to understand a justified explanation.
    It is a moral duty to save others but not at the cost of your own life.
    Excuse me for my offenses.

    For Vrindavanan Prabhuji
    I accept your full humility towards me as you said.
    Srila Prabhupada has not said, neither Lord Chaitanya said to help others and ignore yourself. Helping others is O.K. but not at the cost your own downfall. Seriously without bringing in EGO, think of a situation where you have to choose between your life and another Lord’s servant’s life who is in peril, which one will you choose? If you choose to save other devotee’s life as you aid will you not be committing suicide (though indirectly but willfully let your life be destroyed under the pretext of saving other life) ? Am I wrong ?
    All creatures have this phenomena of saving himself at whatever cost. This is the DNA design of every creature and it cannot be denied.
    A regards “Sati” that is not discussed here. I believe in ome other post I had mentioned. In India and All over the world, so many wrong laws have been and are being passed on. These present day laws are amended and re-ammended. But the law of God Krishna, written in Bhagvad Gita and Shrimad Bhagwatam or other Upnishad’s written by God’s will never needed an amendment or reammendement even after thousands of years. Anyway it is my personal opinion and I have no wish to force it on others.
    • Hare Krsna Mr. Gandiji,

      I understand what you are saying, but I have to disagree with you once more. The very act of Srila Prabhupada crossing the ocean in the weakened state that he was in, suffering two heart attacks during the journey, is the best example that I can find to support my point of view.

      Srila Prabhupada almost sacrificed his life to perform the request by his spiritual master, H. H. Bhaktisiddhanta Swami. Srila Prabhupada came to the west without knowing what the outcome would be, but all he understood was that he had fulfill the request of his guru, at all cost. He put his life in the hands of Sri Krsna to do as He pleased with him. But his mission was to come to the west to offer the mercy of Lord Sri Krsna to the fallen souls of the west. SP was not thinking, "I will do this, only under the condition that I will not fall." He was simply following his guru's request. Without condition. This is how I learned to serve my guru, Srila Prabhupada. There is no question of falling unless one allows it to happen.

      I have even heard tell that Srila Prabhupada promised that he would continue to wait for admittance to Krsnaloka, until all of his disciples have crossed over the sea of Maya, into the spiritual world. If Srila Prabhupada can make such a sacrifice, than what is to be expected of me?

      If I miss the train, as you say, I will not see it as a loss, it is Krsna's will, that I stay behind. The only thing I request is that I be given the mercy to continue helping others onto that train. I would much rather remain here in the service of the Lord than to ignore the sufferings of others. My own well being is in the hands of Krsna, my service is to fulfill the wish of Srila Prabhupada, and that was for us to continue to cooperate with each other, and to serve each other, if that means that I miss the train, then I will turn and offer my dandavat pranams to the next devotee I see, for that is my only mercy.

      We choose to see service differently. I am very comfortable with mine.

      Hare Krsna
      • Hare Krishna ! Prabhuji Fine thought. Krihna's mercy be always on you. No offense, no arguments.
    • Hare Krishna Mahesh Kumar Gandhi

      Vaishnava Dandavat pranams, Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada, All glories to Radha and Krsna and the divine forest of Vrndavana. ...

      To perform devotional service means to follow in the footsteps of Radharani,. Devotees in Vrndavana put themselves under the care of Radharani in order to achieve perfection in their devotional service. In other words, devotional service is not an activity of the material world; it is directly under the control of Radharani. In the Bhagavad-gita it is confirmed that mahatmas, or great souls, are under the protection of daivi prakriti, the internal energy- Radharani. Lord Krshna is protected by daivi prakriti and surrendered souls are protected.

      Arjuna had fully surrendered to Lord Krishna – and was guided by Lord Krishna to fight for the good cause and to save the society from corruption and evil. If Arjuna had run away and said he has to catch the train which leave’s at 10 past 10 and save himself because he wants to go to Goloka (krshnas abode) then all the human race would have suffered under the evil rule of his blood relations. And no doubt Srimati Radharani would not have been pleased with Arjuna and would have sent him back on a one-way ticket back to misery on Earth.

      So when we save a suffering soul, then we are helping the society just as Arjuna would have done in the knowledge of Lord Krishna’s teaching. It is an act of good will to society in the name of our Lord.

      Ch3 page 210 in ‘The Bhagavad Gita as it is’ -
      Lord Krishna advised Arjuna to regulate the senses from the very beginning so that he could curb the greatest sinful enemy, lust, which destroys the urge for self-realization and specific knowledge of the self. Janana refers to knowledge of the self as distinguished from non-self, or in other words, knowledge that the spirit soul is not the body. Vijnana refers to specific knowledge that the spirit souls constitutional position and his relationship to the Supreme Soul.

      By following in the righteous path as Arjuna, a pure devotee of the Lord who saved the society did; likewise we are meant to save others before ourselves, in an act of selflessness. (Even if we get left behind and do not board the 10 past 10 train) In reality there is no train all this is maya and no one is going to God first, there is no need to fear and panic. You can only be saved by your devotional service as you follow the example of the greatest devotee of OUR Lord Krishna, Arjuna. Even as you are helping others and you die helping in the name of Krishna so shall you be saved in glorifying Lord Krishna name.

      Ch 3 page 210 ‘In the Bhagavad Gita as it is’
      Lust is only the perverted reflection of the love of God, which is natural for every living entity. But if one is educated in Krishna Consciousness from the very beginning, that natural love of God cannot deteriorate to Lust.

      To lust on being with Krishna without the proper actions as a pure devotee such that Arjuna performed are not what The Bhagavad Gita teaches us.

      What really needs to be in place is the act of good will to all humanity and to show the unconditional love, this is your aim, to win the heart of Srimati Radharani. Only when you please her will Krishna be pleased with you.


      krishna tava punya habe bhâi
      Krishna's virtue will be yours o brothers,

      e-punya koribe jabe râdhârânî khus'i habe
      that virtue He will give when Râdhâ is first pleased

      Our soul is the property of Radha and Krishna therefore the point is to get beyond selfish cravings, self interested desires, and by so doing to realize one's bonding with all that exists. In Vaisnavism this is called the brahma-bhuta stage, where in one sees all living beings equally and does not distinguish between them or judge them because of material differences. If one can reach this level of enlightenment, one can raise oneself beyond all material suffering. page 227 Veda Secrets from the East by His Divine Grace A.C Bhaktivetanta Swami Prabhupada

      There is no need for any wealth or fame these are worldly desires, even the desire to go back to God is material desire. We are not to even to desire to want to go back home and to think we are not worthy. However to Love Krishna unconditionally means do not expect he will receive us at his home.

      We can see the divine relationship between Lord Krishna and Srimati Radharani and their divine love for their creation and from this we can learn first hand how our God wants us to behave. As God cares for his creation so should the creation care for each other. We are meant to bring glory to our Gods name to show we are walking in righteous path that had been passed on from Lord Sun to Manu to Arjuna to us in form of ‘The Bhagavad Gita’.

      We all have parents on Earth and we show them respect and learn from them how to be humane, God-fearing God Loving beings, and we are to give them honor. So how much more are we to bring Joy to our creator by our care for all that exists before us to show respect to Gods property. As you know well that even the mother Earth should be cared for, as all things on earth is all Gods property. Even our soul is God property. We are nothing without God our souls do not exist without his will. This is why you are surrendering to him. So in surrendering we are realizing that all things derive from God and we are his servants.

      You must Love Krsna with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole strength and with your whole mind and all his creation as yourself. By loving unconditionally one another as God loves us we show that we are followers of Lord Krsna that we are his devotees/servants. Love unconditionally, detached from desires, as desires lead to Karma. Our God loves us unconditionally as we have been given free will to choose to Love our God Back. We have been born out of the Love of Radha and Krishna, and we are to glorify them in caring for all their property, respecting and in loving service to them.

      It is hard for some to love unconditionally in the Kali Yugna so the path provided for many is to block everything and to keep chanting the Hare Krishna Maha Mantra.

      However no one knows what to block out from the senses and many are confused so they are blocking even to help others in fear of karma.

      For them perhaps it is best to attach their devotional service in the confines of the temple and to do deity service to Radha Krishna so as to not lose the righteous path. It is the start of their learning and I also started there as a child.

      However God does not want us to block all goodness out of our senses, if we have the ability to use our senses to benefit jiva’s then you can help without fear as long as you serve in the name of Lord Krishna and by gloryfying his name (not yours).

      The spiritual exchange of divine love between Radha and Krishna is the display of the internal energy of the Lord, and for some it is very difficult to understand. No materialist can begin to understand this topic of the relationship between Srimati Radharani and Lord Krishna. But the more we awaken our dormant love for God, which is natural state of being for a fully awakened soul, then the more we can comprehend and actually enter into such spiritual loving exchanges.

      Jai Shree Krishna
      May you see the Glory of Srimati Radharani and Lord Krishna.

      And may peace be among you.
      • Answer to Para (2) of your reply: What do you mean by this :

        1) Devotional service I not an activity of the material world; it is directly under control of Radharani.
        2) Lord krshna is protected by daivi prakriti

        Answer to Para (3) of your reply: True Arjuna surrendered to Krishna Arjuna did not have his own wish to fight. He was following orders of Krishna. : STILL after the war was over, Krishna advised Arjuna to perform “Prayashchit” go to Badri Vishaal dhaam and perform repentance, do all soul purifying rituals.

        Answer to Para (4) of your reply: You said “when we save a suffering soul”
        Soul is inert, it cannot be burnt by fire, wetted by water, cannot to be floated by air, it has no feelings.
        In para 2 above you said devotional service is under control of Radharani. How come you are taking control of it in your hands in Para (4) of your answer?

        Answer to Para (5) of your reply: Can’t make out what you are trying to say. Are you saying gain control over your senses Kama, Krodh, Mada, Moha, Lobha, Matsar……. True. If these are removed then you come to realize that you are not this body but are a “soul”

        Answer to Para (6) of your reply: What Arjuna did was follow orders of Krishna without caring for his own wish. Krishna specifically defined to Arjuna who is to be killed and who not to be killed. How do you think my idiot mind differentiate between which good to be done and which evil to be destroyed.
        In your whole reply you have not aid anything about destroying EVIL. You have talked only about helping other soul. Why? Do you want to give this task of destroying EVIL to Krishna?

        Answer to Para (7) of your reply: What is a “perverted reflection of love of god” I could not understand. Please elaborate.

        Answer to Para (8) of your reply: “To lust”; “being with Krishna”; “proper action as a pure devotee” These are all contradictory remarks. (1) Krishna cannot remain there where there is Lust and (2) A devotee is he is pure cannot commit improper actions.

        Answer to Para (9) of your reply: An act of good will to all humanity will earn you a reward point from Krishna. Good agreed. But is this the only criteria to earn reward points from Krishna? My aim is to achieve Krishna Consciousness and not Radharani Consciousness. Krishna is pleased to hear the name of Radharani, why don’t we start Radha Nama Japa instead of Hare Krishna (i.e. both Radha and Krishna). Another contradiction is you are saying elsewhere in your reply that Radharani and Krishna are not different. Radharani is internal energy of Krishna which is “Daivi Prakriti”. How come you are asking to please Radharani then only Krishna will award you rewards points?

        Answer to Para (10) of your reply: When you achieve “Brahma-Bhoota” stage you start realizing everything in this world, whether material or immaterial, living or non-living – Is KRISHNA and KRISHNA only. Then whom will you help? Do you mean to say you can HELP KRISHNA? Once you achieve this Brahma-Boota stage you will not bother about anybody else, because you remain contended in yourself “you and Krishna” no third party in between, nothing matters to you whether somebody dies or lives it becomes immaterial for you.

        Answer to Para (11) of your reply: When you say “We are not even to desire to want to go back home” you are contradicting your own statement – “If you please Radharani by devotional service, Krishna will be pleased” Why do desire to please KRISHNA then? Will it matter to you if Krishna is displeased with you? It shows a desire is left within you. And this desire is within your mind and not the soul, so it becomes a material desire I it not? If not please explain why not?

        Answer to Para (12) of your reply: Well Mataji you are all confused. Divine relationship between Lord Krishna and Shrimati Radharani and their Divine love for their creation. When Radharani is internal energy of Krishna they can’t be treated as two different entities. Krishna has no “Aasakti” for any thing how come he would love this material creation. You are asking a devotee to help others with a selfish desire that it will please your Lord Krishna and giving a quote of Bhagvad Gita. In Shrimad Bhagwad Gita Krishna has clearly said to do all acts “KARMA” without any desire for “Fala” otherwise you will be bound by Karmas. Does it not mean you are asking devotees to get bounded by “Karmas”?

        Answer to Para (13) of your reply: Well Krishna’s joy does not depend on your caring for hi property. He has already taken care of his property. What he is pleased about when will you go back godhead. This is what interests Krishna the utmost. Mother Father, Parents are all relations of material world and are full of aasakties. Learn from our Rishi Munis how to defend oneself from these false relations. Remember the downfall of Maharaja Bharat for helping a Deear and falling in his love led to the birth of Maharaja Bharat as a deer and later as “Jada Bharat”

        Answer to Para (14) of your reply: We should love Krihna nobody will deny this. We are born because of love of Radha and Krishna is not digestable. We have separated ourselves from God because of our desire to enjoy the superficial worldly enjoyments. God sent us here, and we forgot to get back to godhead. But this is not our point of discussion.

        Answer to Para (15) of your reply: You mean to say in Kaliyuga it I difficult to love unconditionally so forget everything else and just go on chanting Hare Krishna Mantra. If so then why to remember to help others even at the cost of your downfall?

        Answer to Para (16) of your reply: In para 15 you are saying block everything else. In 16 again you say no one knows what to block, many are confused to block even helping others for fear of karma. When block everything means helping others is also covered in that everything.

        Answer to Para (17) of your reply: An undesired remark out of any context.

        Answer to Para (18) of your reply: Does Krishna need glorifying? He is already glorified. Krishna does not want us to block all goodness. And who Is going to define this “goodness” It is known that jiva is reborne to pay for his deeds, sins of the past lives. If God desires a person to be punished and as such he is made to suffer in order that his sins nullified. You drop in from somewhere and start saving that person’s sufferings. Are you not disturbing Krishna’s judgement. Are you not making contempt to the Court (Krishna’s) Judgement. At the same time are you not forcing the Jiva to postpone his punishment from this life to next life, and that is why you are forcing another birth for that jiva? And you say Krishna will praise you for your this deed? Wonderful.

        Answer to Para (19) of your reply: Krihna is playing a leela simply floating his internal energy as you said Radha Rani and doing leela of “Madhur Rasa” or called “Maadhurya Leela”. This is an altogether different topic from what we are discussing here.

        So finally where are we, or for that sake where is N.B.Pwar prabhu, hi question still remains what is the status of a devotee and a non-devotee committing suicide I don’t think he would be atisfied with these discussions. We have no doubt discussed at length, but not what Pawar Prabhu wanted us to discus and provide him answer to hi querry. Let Pawar Prabhu himself speak.
  • Hare Krsna.
    May the Lord bless us all.

    I have to agree with Sanvi dd. This a question of how we as devotees serve each other and the society at large. If indeed we encounter someone, devotee or not, isn't it our duty to try to help that person, regardless of whether or not the act of suicide is sinful or not?

    Our position as devotees, of Lord Caitanya is to be the servant, of the servant, of the servant, and that is all. It is not our position to condemn nor judge the actions of others. First we serve and please the Lord. That is our position. One could rant and rave about the karma of the jiva, if one commits suicide, but while one is acting in such a cold and unattached way,karma is being accumulating, and there will be no escape from karma, it may not be as harsh because one is a devotee and performs yajna, harinam, japa, reads Srimad Bhagavatam, book distribution and so on, but nonetheless one has to pay his or her karma, if one does nothing to help another person in distress.

    So what is the choice here? To dictate ones superficial knowledge of the mysteries of the Lord or to serve a child of the Lord who might be in peril? That is a personal choice. Mine would be to serve the Lord by serving all sentient beings. That is the message I have learned from Srila Prabhupada, be the servant, of the servant, of the servant.

    Sanvi dd is very correct in stating that there is too much selfish thinking and not enough of service to one another. We all have our paths to take. I would hope that if ever I were in such a state that I would be considering suicide that another devotee like Sanvi dd, Aishwarya Kumar, and Nimmi came to my aid, as I would to them.

    There is no question that these bodies are the properties of Lord Krsna, so as such, when we see or hear of someone in distress, is it our duty to condemn the person as acting offensively to Krsna, or do try to stop their offense? I hope that Mr. Panwar was asking an objective question, and not experiencing suicidal ideation. If you are Mr. Panwar, I hope that you approach a devotee that will help you. One the will help seek help from a doctor perhaps that can help you. If you are having doubt about your faith, I pray that there is a devotee that can help you through such a period, and not condemn you for feelings you may not be able to control momentarily.

    @ Mr. Ghandi Prabhu, with all humility I have to remind you that the act of sati, is no longer legal in India, it is not seen as a "benefit to the lady", Prabhupada also taught that even though we know that Krnsa is the Lord of all, we should still not break any mundane rules or laws.

    Forgive me if I have committed and offenses.

    Hare Krsna.
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