Sri Tattva Sandharbha

Please Help! Haribol Prabhu/Mataji,

I have come across a phrase in the online version by BBT Translators in the Tattva Sandharba of Srila Jiva Goswami, The phrase in question is on page number 177 last paragraph and the term refers to the translation of a word "UPADHI" I quote:

" means "limiting adjunct" because an "UPADHI's" effect is to apparently modify the natural state of an object by its proximity or association, though it has no integral or natural relationship with the object affected"

I have read this several times, I am not a scientist but I think what is being described here is Quantum Mechanics on a subatomic level, where the activity of an object can be affected purely by the presence of another object and the action of observing can also affect the activity of the observed.

Am I right

YS, Pradyumna Das

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  • Hare Krishna,

    I read that paragraph is is quite simple to understand. And whatever Bharat prabhu told is same that only explained. 

    - Soul is eternal and part and parcel of Super Soul and both are NOT made up of matter. 

    - Matter is made up of subatomic particles like protons, neutron and electrons. 

    - I don't know  how is Quantum Mechanics applicable to Soul or Supersoul.

    - Ya , soul being in close proximity to the material world it gets tainted by the designations.  But if the Soul is placed in Sat Sangah can lose all the taints and designations or false identifications .....becomes pure as is to start with is eternal and is pure.

    - Supersoul is also exposed to material world but it doesn't take up any designations. Supersoul is just an Silent Observer a witness to the actions. It is uneffected by anything. 

    Krishna is Nirupadhi , He remains untouched. 

    -Very good example is given there in that Chapter of a plain colorless crystal glass. Which is compared to Soul. When colorless crystal is placed in.. a back ground of a red flower.. It looks red.. But actually the Crystal is colorless. You have to just change the back ground color to change the color. Basically.., The soul is clear and taintless and is eternal and is qualitatively same as Supersoul .. 

    -Soul being from Marginal Tatastha Shakti of Lord can lean either towards the Material energy or can change its direction lean towards Spiritual energy of Lord.

    -The size of the spirit soul is mentioned in the Śvetaśvatara Upanishad (5.9) to be the ten-thousandth part of the tip of the hair.  Spirit is anti-matter, or opposite to matter. Matter is always dead whereas spirit is eternally full of life.

    - SO I don't think.. Quantam Mechanics is applicable to Spiritual energies..

    -All logical explanations are a jugglery of the words produced by....mind and mind is also made up of matter.  So our material mind and eyes cannot see these spiritual things..or explain them rationally.  Mind is not sufficient to understand Spiritual topics.

    Hare Krishna.

    • Sevak

      Hare Krsna Mataji 

      I guess you meant  - It He is unaffected by anything. 

      Hare Krsna

      • Ya, thanks for the correction. I must have overlooked it.

        Hare Krishna.

  • Sevak

    Hare Krishna 

    Am I right ?

    Unlikely. The upadhi can be understood as 'designation'.

    Krsna is described as Nirupadhi or having no designation or obligation.

    Supersoul has a function within material world but no obligation. 

    Conditioned living being has various material designations and obligations. 

    But in pure spiritual state soul or jiva has no material designation and is fully aware of its eternal Constitutional position.

    However due to material conditioning soul takes up designation that is external, unnatural and pretends to function based on the adopted false identity.

    For example when a woman gives birth to baby, then she takes upon designation of mother. Playing role of mother she has to function and perform duties of mother. The person is not truly mother from absolute point of view, but due to upadhi or designation her natural state of jiva is modified to the state of mother as identified by her.

    Hare Krsna

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