Sant Rampal ji

Hare Krishna 

Dandwat Pranam 

Recently I saw some websites preaching  Sant Rampal ji as  an avatar of Sant Kabir whom he considers as supreme. When I started reading about Sant Rampal ji I saw that he did many miracles infront of media though he is in jail. He cured diseases and brought dead back to life. He claimed that Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva are not immortal and that Lord Vishnu is 7 times older than Lord Brahma and Lord Shiva is 14 times older than Lord Vishnu as mentioned in Vishnu Purana and he also said that Lord Vishnu Lord Brahma and Lord Shiva are sons of Maa Durga and Brahm(kaal) as mentioned in Devi Bhagwata purana why so and also that Lord Vishnu is not supreme as mentioned in Shiv Purana . He and his followers also claim that 

Gita Adhyay 18 provides Knowledge about other supreme god other than the giver of the knowledge of Gita like 

YatH prvrttibhootanaM yen sarvmidM tatam
Swakarmna tambhyachrya siddhiM vindati manavH || 46 ||

Glorifying the supreme power, Kaal says to Arjun “The God from whom all living beings have originated and from whom this whole world has pervaded, by worshipping God through the performance of one’s natural activities, a man attains supreme spiritual success”.

EeSvaraH sarvabhootaanaaM hRuddESE Arjuna tiShThati |
Bhraamayan sarvabhootaani yantraarooDhaani maayayaa || 61 ||

The giver of the knowledge of Gita (Kaal) says ‘O Arjun, the Supreme God manages the wanderings of the souls like figurines on a whirligig according to their karma (deeds) and resides within the hearts of all living beings

Tam Eva SaraNaM gachCa sarvabhaavEna bhaarata |Tatprasaadaat paraaM SaantiM sthaanaM praapsyasi SaaSvatam || 62 || 

“Oh Descendent of Bharat, Arjun! You, in every respect, go in the refuge of only that Supreme God. By the grace of that Supreme God, you will attain the supreme peace and will attain the eternal abode – Satlok (place-dhaam)”.

SarvaguhyatamaM bhooyaH SRuNu mE paramaM vachaH |IShT Osi mE dRuDham iti tatO vakShyaami tE hitam || 64 ||

By saying this when Arjun did not reply, the giver of the knowledge of Gita further says ‘O Arjun, I will again say the most confidential of all confidential, my utmost mysterious beneficial words to you, listen to these-this Purna Brahm (complete God) is also my definite venerable God”.

Here, the giver of the knowledge of Gita means that Param Akshar Purush (Supreme God) is also my definite venerable God (Ishtdev), ie. He is worthy to be worshipped. I am also in His refuge. I also worship Him. (see Adhyay 15 Shlok 4)

Gita Adhyay 13 Shlok 24- Arbitrary way of worship is useless

Adhyay 13 Shlok 24 

Dhyānen ātmani paśyanti kechit ātmānam ātmanā |Anye sāṅkhyena yogena karmayogena chā apare || 24 ||

“Oh, Arjun! To attain that supreme abode/the eternal place some do meditation, few others perform ‘Gyanyog’ like ‘doing Kirtan or recite path (read religious books)’, some get divine experience by performing religious deeds. 

Note: To attain Supreme God, the soul needs to be purified by chanting salvation mantras Satnam and Sarnam. Kaal/Kshar Purush does not provide that spiritual knowledge. He tells that they should chant ‘OM’. By chanting the ‘OM’ mantra souls can at the most attain Swarg (Heaven) or Mahaswarg (Supreme Heaven) but they remain in recurrence, this means they will not get devotees complete salvation

He also claimed 

UttamaH puruśhH tu anyaH Paramātma iti udāhṛtH |YaH lokatrayam āviśhya bibhartyi avyyaH īiśhwarH || 17 ||

The Supreme God is, however, someone else, who by entering into the three loks, sustains everyone and is called as Eternal Supreme God.

Note: Supreme God who is unchanging ie. is ‘eternal’ in reality, the Guru of the universe (Jagat Guru), the basis of the soul; who takes those who have gone to Satlok after becoming completely liberated, to Satlok, the creator of all the brahamands, who does not betray like Kaal (Brahm) is, as it is, Himself KavirDev ie. God Kabir.

Adhyay 15 Shlok 4 provides information how can seekers attain Satlok-Sachkhand

Adhyay 15 Shlok 4

TatH padaṃ tat parimārgitavyaṃ yasmin gatāaH na nivartanti bhūyH |Tam ev ch aadyaṃ puruśhaṃ prpadhye yatH prvṛttiH prsṛtā purāaṇī || 4 ||

After that one should search for that Supreme place (Satlok-Sachkhand). Having attained whom, human beings do not return to the world (in the vicious cycle of birth and rebirth) and from whom this ancient creation-nature/Srishti has extended. I am also in the refuge of that Aadi Purush Parmatma only. With firmness, one should worship Him (the complete God) and no one else.

He also divided God according to Brahma PurnaBrahman and Parbrahm

After reading ,it shook my faith so pls someone refute all this 

Hare Krishna 

Radha Radha 

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  • Hare Krishna,

    PAMHO

    If he is considered the supreme, then why is there no mention of The Spiritual Abode, where the Supreme Lord actually resides? If he is supreme then he can show the Virat-Rupa just like Lord Krishna showed It to Arjuna on his request. If he is supreme then in which scripture can we find information about this incarnation because every incarnation is mentioned in the scriptures before the Lord appears as that incarnation and that is how people can know the legitimacy of that incarnation (as per Srimad Bhagavatam.)

    This is also to let you know that the Eternal Abode is not satyaloka. Both are different.

    OM can be chanted yes, but Hari Nam is preferred in this age of Kali. And the goal is not to reach heaven (I don't know what Mahaswarg is.) Those who are unable to utter immediately the Sweet Name of Krishna, they are recommended to chant Om. (Ref - https://vaniquotes.org/wiki/Those_who_are_unable_to_utter_immediate....)

    Again, liberated souls are not meant to go to satyalok, and kaal means time.

    Satyalok is the supreme place within this universe, and life in satyalok is not eternal.

    Paramatma is Kshirodakshayi Vishnu or The Supersoul.

    It seems that you have confused The Spiritual World with satyalok, there are so many things wrong in your texts. I don't know this person so I don't have any authority to talk about him. If he is an incarnation of the Supreme Lord then it has to be mentioned in the scriptures, find out where it is. Like Lord Kalki will take His birth in Shambhala village.

    Regards

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      I am sorry again as I don't really mean to demean any sect or sampraday rather I just asked questions whose answers I couldn't find but from now I won't ask such questions 

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      Hare Krishna Prabhuji 

      I am sorry again as I don't really mean to demean any sect or sampraday rather I just asked questions whose answers I couldn't find but from now I won't ask such questions 

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