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Yesterday I asked a question on Sant Kabir but Bharat Prabhuji asked me not to ask such questions but I am helpless as I came in contact with Sant Rampal and his videos and books few days ago which totally shook my faith on Krishna Conciousness. He follows Kabir Sagar written by Sant Garibdas which was told to him directly by Sant Kabir in Satlok and sent back to Earth to preach these events and in that book it is said that Sant Kabir is original God and helped Lord Hanuman get powers and get salvation in the form of sage Munindra in every Kalpa and manvantara and he also said that Lord Kabir is only one and real whereas all other Gods like Sri Rama and others sre many in number and are forms of Maya and also helped Lord Ram and Lord Krishna in their various tasks like in building Ram Setu bridge. Sant Rampal and many Kabir panthis insult our deities like Lord Ram and Lord Krishna using their scriptures. And he is really well versed with all scriptures and what he says seems logical and apparent and with this he proved that all scriptures agree that Sant Kabir is supreme and is the only Purna Brahm and he also said that Bhagavad Gita was actually said by Kaal Purush or Brahm by giving example of few verses like Bhagavad Gita verse 11.32
Sant Rampal insults other spiritual people and organizations as well calling them fake and that they hid the evidence that Sant Kabir is Supreme God mentioned in all scriptures secretly as Kavir or Kabiran and
I am really weak in spiritual matters and believe people easily especially sadhus as they tend to speak the truth and Sant Dharamdas ji was a great Sadhu during his time so I believed what he wrote in Kabir Sagar as true but so Pls Pls Pls help me by giving some hard-core evidence
or suggestion or appropriate explanation pls I am really very sad sad and depressed as nearly lost my faith and can't concentrate on my spiritual or material activities
Pls help me
Hare Krishna
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Its very simple to deduce that they are misleading people. How?
Read these points :
1) "Sant Rampal insults other spiritual people and organizations as well calling them fake"
No, spritually elevated person will try to insult other people or organizations, because they are humble and they do not want to create enemity towards anyone. Even Srila Prabhupada never insulted any kind of religion or organizations, he just preached that everyone should practise krishna conciousness and see the result yourself. The result is not something material.
2) he also said that Bhagavad Gita was actually said by Kaal Purush or Brahm by giving example of few verses like Bhagavad Gita verse 11.32
Yes, Kaal Purush or Brahm, they come from krishna. How?
Krishna himself says that he is Kaal Purush "kālo ’smi". 11.32
ब्रह्मणो हि प्रतिष्ठाहममृतस्याव्ययस्य च ।
शाश्वतस्य च धर्मस्य सुखस्यैकान्तिकस्य च
Where krishna himself says that
And I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman, which is immortal, imperishable and eternal and is the constitutional position of ultimate happiness.
assuming you have good deduction skills, can you deduce who is actually kaal purush or Brahman?
3) so Pls Pls Pls help me by giving some hard-core evidence
Hard-core evidence, huh?
अहं सर्वस्य प्रभवो मत्त: सर्वं प्रवर्तते ।
इति मत्वा भजन्ते मां बुधा भावसमन्विता:
I am the source of all spiritual and material worlds. Everything emanates from Me. The wise who perfectly know this engage in My devotional service and worship Me with all their hearts.
Krishna himself says that he is the source of everything.
4) ***Very Important Point***
We are living in the age of Kali. No one knows anything. As you can see, people fight over that my religion is greater that others. You can see in santana dharma itself, where people fight who is greater Shiva or Vishnu. No one knows anything. So, Krishna himself says
मत्त: परतरं नान्यत्किञ्चिदस्ति धनञ्जय ।
मयि सर्वमिदं प्रोतं सूत्रे मणिगणा इव
O conqueror of wealth(Arjuna), there is no truth superior to Me. Everything rests upon Me, as pearls are strung on a thread.
So, just belive Bhagavad Gita, Why Bhagavad Gita is called as Bhagavad Gita? Why not some other gita(=song)? Because bhagavan himself sings the song to arjuna and for the rest of us people in kali yuga to understand and take advantage of it (given if you actually have trust on krishna).
If you actually somehow by the mercy of krishna, became a devotee. You have to understand that We worship Krishna not because he is superior or god(But he is), but because we love him with our whole heart.
Even if you cant accept Krishna as god, just try to love him selflessly, you cant lose anything by loving someone right? that what Krishna conciousness is about. LOVING KRISHNA.
Hare Krsna Prabhuji,
PAMHO.
I looked up your profile after reading this post. Appears that the person who was writing as "De" is now calling himself Krishna Conscious.
What is the point of calling yhourself Krsna Conscious when you are anytihng but that. You have the time and energy to read all the garbage in the world, but will not read what is being recommended. It appears as if people come here only to question Srila Prabhupada's philosophy.
If you dont have time to read our philosophy, and you will spend your time reading every other philosophy, then getting confused is natural and depressed consequential. Nobody can help you.
I think I mentioned in an earlier post that if you are not getting energy to read Srila Prabhupada's books, read his biography. That itself will tell you whether you would like to follow him or not.
Haribol,
Your servant,
Radha Rasamayi DD
a quick google search:
Sant Rampal i - Search (bing.com)
I agree with bharat dont read that stuff.
Hare Krsna
These forums and discussions are based on established bonafide vedic scriptures like Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavadatm composed by Sri Vedavyasa and Vaishnava scriptures like Chaitanya Charitamrita which are composed by Vaishnava Acaryas.
Please feel free to ask questions that improve your own understanding of Krsna consciousness. We do not ecourage unecessary refutations of bogus claims because they are endless. Please feel free to ask questions from the above mentioned scriptures for which HDG Srila Prabhupada has composed translations and purports. Please refrain from insulting great acaryas and devotees.
There is no need to quote statements from non-vaishnavas and ask them to refute it. There is no need to say what the others are claiming. If you need any clarification for yourself (not refutation) based on vaishnava scriptures, please do ask. Otherwise refrain from bringing the doubts from other places to these forums.
I am really very sad sad and depressed
This is an acceptable truth in whatever has been stated.
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Hare Krishna Prabhuji
Can I ask Lord Shiva related questions like in some scriptures it is stated that Mahakali Loka is greatest Loka where Mahakali and Mahakal stay and where there are innumerable Brahma Vishnu Shiva and Lord Krishna are there doing penances and only Lord Rudra knows how to go there after doing tapasya.
And also are Brahma Vishnu and Shiva posts or God like mentioned in many scriptures.
Can I ask these type of questions in this forum and what would be the answer to the above questions.
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Can I ask these type of questions in this forum and what would be the answer to the above questions.
Please read books authored by His DivineGrace AC Bhaktivedanata Swami Srila Prabhupada. There is 100% guarantee that all your questions will be answered .
If someone gets doubts based on the teachings of Srila Prabhuapda, we will be happy to address the same in these forums. No debates, no refutations, no giving evidence, no challenges, no insulting of established vaishnava principles.
Please note if somone is not willing to read Srila Prabhupada books, nobody has any problem. We do have problem when the garbage of the world appears as doubts or questions in these forums. They are infinite and we do not enourage those things here.
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