Hare Krsna,

PAMHO,

All glories to Srila Prabhupada,

I have a small question that I could not decipher in the sloka 24 of 2nd chapter of Bhagavad Gita As It Is.

The translation goes like this:

"This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same".

I understood the aspects of the soul, like,everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable and eternally the same. But I am facing a difficulty in understanding that how the soul is immovable. If we take it in literal sense, then like I am within this body. And hence when the body moves, I (the soul) also move.

So I tried to relate immovable to "sthir", or, stable in its state.

It would be really beneficial for me if you could let me know if my this understanding is correct. If not, then please let me know the correct understanding of the soul's characterestic of being immovable.

Haribol!

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  • E-Counselor

    Hare Krsna Prabhuji,

    PAMHO.

    Soul is not moving in the body, soul is making the body move from place A to place B. That way, body is moving because of soul, soul is not moving. WHen it is time for soul to leave the body, then the subtle body, comprising mind, intelligence and false ego moves the soul from one body to the next. 

    Haribol,

    Your servant,

    Radha Rasamayi DD

  • Hare Krishna

    The soul is 'immovable.' Immovable means 'Acala' in Sanskrit. The opposite is called 'Cala' or immovable. There are two kinds of living entities cala and acala. The trees and plants are generally called acala or immovable because they are firmly rooted to the ground and the other movable living entities are called cala. Although, the trees and plants are generally called acala, they are not so in the true sense of the word because they are subject to the influence of time. They move when there is a breeze and they are subject to growth, dwindling etc. It is time only that makes all movements possible. For example, in modern physics, it is said that if an object moves from a point say A to another point B. Time is calculated as the time it takes for the object to move from point A to B. The soul is however eternal, it does not come into being at any point of time and it is not annihilated at any point of time. In other words, it is beyond the influence of time, timeless or eternal. Therefore, it is not subject to movement unlike a material object such as a tree. It is acala in the true sense of the word. The Lord also says that the soul is acintya or inconceivable. We have to accept the words of the Lord because there is no other way to understand the soul. It cannot be experimentally verified. This is certainly amazing, therefore the Lord says that the soul is ascarya-vat or truly amazing.

    Hari Bol

     

    • Sorry, typo error, cala means movable not immovable.

  • Hare Krishna,

    "I understood the aspects of the soul, like,everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable and eternally the same. But I am facing a difficulty in understanding that how the soul is immovable. If we take it in literal sense, then like I am within this body. And hence when the body moves, I (the soul) also move."

    This understanding is wrong.

    You are the soul- True

    you are residing in the body- True

    The body is moves- soul is moving?- Not true.

    Body is dead- the soul moves out of the body and takes up another shareerah or body. 

    The soul is immobile in the sense. Soul needs some driver.

    If you see the chariot example 

    Sri Krishna is the charioteer.  The soul is the Arjuna sitting in the ratha!

    Ratha is the body.

    The person sitting in the body the soul cannot move unless Krishna drives the chariot.

    You are moving the body?  You cannot move your finger also with your own will. 

    It is stated here that the Supersoul, who is always with the individual soul, is the representation of the Supreme Lord. He is not an ordinary living entity. Because the monist philosophers take the knower of the body to be one, they think that there is no difference between the Supersoul and the individual soul. To clarify this, the Lord says that He is the representation of Paramatma in every body. He is different from the individual soul; He is parah, transcendental. The individual soul enjoys the activities of a particular field, but the Supersoul is present not as finite enjoyer nor as one taking part in bodily activities, but as the witness, overseer, permitter and supreme enjoyer. His name is Paramatma, not atma, and He is transcendental. It is distinctly clear that the atma and Paramatma are different. The Supersoul, the Paramatma, has legs and hands everywhere, but the individual soul does not. And because He is the Supreme Lord, He is present within to sanction the individual soul's desiring material enjoyment. Without the sanction of the Supreme Soul, the individual soul cannot do anything. The individual is bhakta or the sustained, and He is bhukta or the maintainer. There are innumerable living entities, and He is staying in them as a friend. ( BG as it is chapt. 13.23 purport).

    So understand one thing that soul is immobile means ( NOT THAT IT IS CANNOT MOVE FROM PLACE TO PLACE OR COVER SOME DISTANCE ETC.)

    SOUL IS RENDERED INACTIVE AND INERT IF THE SUPERSOUL DOESN't power it.

    THE SOUL ITSELF CANNOT DO ANYTHING ON ITS OWN.  IT NEEDS GUIDANCE AND SACTION OF SUPERSOUL.

    LORD AS PARMATMA SITTING NEXT TO SOUL LIKE A FRIEND GUIDES IT.

    Observe the picture.Parable of Chariot-Katha Upanishad: Body/Mind/Intelligence/Soul - YouTube

    If Krishna is not the chaiorteer the soul sitting in the chariot cannot reach any destination.

    Soul is inert and rendered immobile has no power on its own to move also.

    Hare Krishna

     

  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna 

     I tried to relate immovable to "sthir", or, stable in its state.

    Great question. Yes, the above understanding is correct. The sanskrit word used is acalah. This is the opposite of Cancalah. Cancalah means flickering, or wavering or unsteady or unstable or volatile. Mind has been characterised as cancalah in Bhagavad Gita and nature of soul is the exact opposite of  that.  

    So the understanding of soul being opposite of cancalah is that soul is stable, steady, unwavering, non-flickering non-volatile 

    Hare Krsna

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