Hare Krishna dear devotees,
Please accept my humble obeisances,
All glories to Srila Prabhupada,
What happens if we had commited vaishnav apradha against devotee but we are not in contact of them or they are not present in the world?
How do we nullify the offence?
Please tell.
Hare Krishna.
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Hare Krsna
What happens if we had commited vaishnav apradha against devotee but we are not in contact of them or they are not present in the world?
Vaishnava aparadha will negatively affect the prpogress of bhakti. It can can even uproot the bhakti within heart of practiving devotee. This is the main reason why someone received bhakti and loses bhakti. To be specific it leads to the following
1. Inability to concentrate on spiritual sound vibration ( Krsna nama and Krsna katha)
2. Loss of taste for hearing ( Krsna nama and Krsna katha)
3. Loss of willingness to do Seva due to pride
4. Rise in lusty desires for sex and material possessions, property etc
5. Loss of viashnava sanga
6. Increase in envy towards devotees
I am not able to find the exact reference from shastr , but based on my memory I have listed the steps of falling to levels, so this may not be 100% accurate fall down takes places around these lines.
How do we nullify the offence?
hari-sthane aparadhe tare hari-nam
toma sthane aparadhe nahi paritran
The holy name delivers one who has committed an offense to Lord Hari, but if one commits an offense to you(devotee), there is no means of deliverance. (4, Vaishnava Vijnapti Song, Narrotam Das thakur)
There is only one way to nullify - Humbly fall at the feet of the devotee (preferably in public), reveal/acknowledge offense committed by self and cry/ beg for forgiveness from the devotee and ask if there is something that they can do to gain forgiveness.
How do we nullify the offence when they not present in the world?
If the devotee has left the body, then it means that offender has missed the opportunity to completely nullify it. The reactions are likely to be carried on to next birth of offender. But as an effort of sincerity the offender may distribute prasadam to devotee community on the tiribhava tithi or date of passing anniverasary of that devotee. If possible reveal to devotee community the offense committed and beg devotees to pray that the devotee who was offended may grant forgiveness. But better to seek forgiveness right now immediately because death can come anytime to us or them.
Hare Krsna
Hare Krishna prabhuji,
Please accept my humble obeisances,
Thank you for your response.
Prabhuji I had one more question if our mind is unstable and we get bad thoughts about devotees is that also counted as Vaishnava Apradha?
What to do to nullify it in that case?
What to do when devotee is present in the world but we are unable to contact them? How to ask forgiveness from them?
Hare Krsna
we get bad thoughts about devotees is that also counted as Vaishnava Apradha?
These are called mental offences. Mental offenses in Kaliyuga do not produce reaction. But it will affect practice of one's bhakti. And if someone is not trying to get rid of them, they will grow and lead to verbal or physical or other type of offences. To nullify it, one needs to glorify the devotee against whom one has bad thoughts. Glorify openly about that devotee to other vaishnava.
What to do when devotee is present in the world but we are unable to contact them? How to ask forgiveness from them?
i can't imagine this situation. There is always a way to contact someone if you want to. Worst case send a letter through post, I don't see why there should be restrictions against this.
If that devotee is so offended that they are not willing to communicate then you must approach through someone who has a good relation with them.
Hare Krsna
Hare Krishna,
Chant Mahamantra in front of Tulasi plant , do circumbulation of tulasi mata ji daily, offer water and seek blessings from tulasi maiyya.
Say sincerely sorry to Lord and repent sincerely mentally prostrating to the Vaishnava's lotus feet seeking forgiveness.
donate Tulsi plants and Gita books in the name of the vaishnava whom you have comitted vaishnava aparadh and see that they get the benefit of this punya karma. Do some small help and service to the family of the Vaishnava whom you have hurted and sincerely seek forgiveness in the mind.
Usually a Vaishnava doesn't hold grudges for long time. The quickly forget and forgive people. Those Vaishnavas who have all ready gone to Goloka they don't care for your small mistakes and ninda. Lord however is displeased with your behavior towards those devotees. Seeks forgiveness of Lord. keep chanting.
Hare Krishna.
Hare Krishna mataji,
Please accept my humble obeisances,
Thank you for your response.
Hare Krishna.
Mataji are bad thoughts due to unstable mind also called Vaishnav Apradh? Please elaborate.
What to do to nullify in that case?
don't attribute evey bad thought which comes in your mind to some vaishnava aparadh only. Mind is mischievious this is main culprit.
This is not because of some vaishnava aparadh. the nature of mind is like this.
what type of bad thoughts are coming?
You are young boy its normal to get bad thoughts about woman or lusty thoughts. To keep away from such thoughts
avoid watching movies, avoid talking bad stuff or watching bad things on the net. take prasadam daily.
read bhagwatam daily a bit, think about Krishna more. Exert urself so much that you become tired and as soon as you hit the bed you should go to sleep.
associate with devotees more than people who are materialistic.
avoid eating oninon garlic and other stuff which cause rage and lusty thoughts like non veg etc.
when you get bad thoughts /lusty thoughts change the place. Usually when you are lonely you get bad stuff into ur head. So keep urself in a group never stay lonely. always exert urself doing some work either studies, or doing some cleaning work at home ask you mother that you want to clean the home, clean the temple at home, arrange deities properly dress the dieites, offer flowers make garlands go to temple collect some flowers and daily offer to deities some thing, learn to make pure veggie stuff and offer bhog urself to Lord.
spend time some how don't be lazy. When you become lazy and lonely then these bad thoughts will come. So avoid this.
When unavoidable bad thoughts come remember krishna at the juncture quickly bad thoughts will disappear as you have learnt to diver your mind from bad things to Krishna. Practice this.
If bad thoughts come for the vaishnavas then change place go out for walks, divert your mind.
try seeing good in people.
All people have good as well as bad in them.
So avoid seeing only bad in people. See good in the vaishnavas and divert ur mind from bad things and focus on goodness.
wear narsingh kavach and keep chanting.
hare krishna
Hare Krishna Dear Devotee,
You can see this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQYFY-IBSY0
And this too if u don't get clear and satisfying Answer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-XGt3AciJQ
Hare Krishna prabhuji,
Please accept my humble obeisances,
Thank you for your response.
Hare Krishna.