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Hare Krishna to all the devotees here. I have been genuinely drawn to Krishna consciousness and have been studying the philosophy seriously. But I have a sincere doubt that I cannot resolve on my own and I am hoping someone here can help me understand.

I am a 19 year old from India trying to understand Ahimsa as deeply and honestly as possible. Not to justify anything — genuinely to understand.

My confusion is this.

ISKCON teaches that we should not eat nonvegetarian food because it causes harm to living beings and goes against the principle of Ahimsa. I understand and respect this deeply.

But I cannot reconcile the following three things and I want to understand them honestly.

First — the dairy question.

Modern commercial dairy in India involves cows being forcibly and repeatedly impregnated through artificial insemination. Their calves are separated from them within hours of birth. The mother cries for days. Male calves are either abandoned on streets or sent for slaughter. The cows themselves are eventually slaughtered when milk production drops. Animal Equality India documented this across hundreds of farms in 2023. Most milk consumed by devotees including products like Amul comes from this system.

How is consuming this dairy consistent with Ahimsa when the suffering involved is arguably greater and more sustained than eating a single local farm egg where no animal dies and no mother is separated from her child?

Second — the pesticide question.

All agricultural production of the vegetarian food we eat involves pesticides that kill millions of insects and soil organisms. The Mahabharata itself acknowledges that plants have life and consciousness. Jain philosophy recognises even microorganisms as living beings with Prana. So the idea of zero harm through vegetarianism seems philosophically impossible. How does ISKCON reconcile this?

Third — the Gita's actual classification.

I read Bhagavad Gita Chapter 17 Verses 8 9 and 10 carefully. Krishna classifies Sattvic food as that which increases life, strength, health, happiness and satisfaction — juicy, nourishing and agreeable. Tamasic food is specifically described as stale, putrid, decomposed and impure.

Fresh properly cooked food does not seem to match the Tamasic description regardless of its source. Where exactly does Krishna explicitly say that food from animal sources is Tamasic or forbidden? I want the specific verse — not the interpretation.

I am not asking this to argue. I genuinely want to understand where the scriptural basis ends and where institutional tradition begins. Because if I am going to follow a principle I want to follow it honestly and completely — not selectively.

Thank you for any guidance. Hare Krishna

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  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna

    ISKCON teaches that we should not eat nonvegetarian food because it causes harm to living beings and goes against the principle of Ahimsa.

    No, Srila Prabhupada the founder of ISKCON has taught that highest level is to offer freshly prepared sattvik food to Sri Krsna with love and accept Krsna's Prasad.

    Vegetarian food is suitable for humans. Animal killing by humans for eating is sinful.

    How is consuming this dairy consistent with Ahimsa?

    It is NOT

    the vegetarian food we eat involves pesticides that kill millions of insects and soil organisms.How to reconcile this?

    It can't be reconciled. Agriculture involves some act of violence at bodily level.

    So the idea of zero harm through vegetarianism seems philosophically impossible.

    Could you please provide reference for idea of Zero harm from vedic scriptures ?

    Where exactly does Krishna explicitly say that food from animal sources is Tamasic or forbidden?

    Food from animal sources is too generic. Milk may be considered from animal source, but it is not Tamasic, it is not fordbidden.

    Meat, flesh etc are Tamasic.

    yāta-yāmaṁ gata-rasaṁ
    pūti paryuṣitaṁ ca yat
    ucchiṣṭam api cāmedhyaṁ
    bhojanaṁ tāmasa-priyam

    Food prepared more than three hours before being eaten, food that is tasteless, decomposed and putrid, and food consisting of remnants and untouchable things is dear to those in the mode of darkness.(BG 17.10)

    Sri Krsna has given characterstics of items in mode of ignorance.

    puti mentioned has been translated as bad smelling by Srila Prabhupada.

    Meat,fish etc are foul smelling. Even when one passes near a meat shop, this is experienced.

    Hence meat, fish are in mode of ignorance. Someone may say this is interpretation, I do not want to argue on that. To me it is clearly a valid understanding.

    I genuinely want to understand where the scriptural basis ends  and where institutional tradition begins.

    Scriptural basis doesn't end. Institutions & traditions end when they are not based on scriptures.

     Hare Krsna

    • omg LOL this is really interesting.. 

      before i you read this comment keep in mind that i am young and i dont follow anything blindly and i like questioning every thing doesnt matter if its religion or not.. everything i say might hurt your sentiments but do not take it personally its just my personal opinion.. i respect everyone's perspective until its way too dumb and 0 iq type of mindset

      i dont know but this entire comment of yours has everything but not the part where you say INTENTIONS matter.. killing an animal for fun and killing an animal for a purpose and good reason is different.. maybe my answer is biased towards eating nonveg?? but i agree to every veg points( why to eat veg points). 

      now coming to the very first point that where you said "animal killings by human is SINFUL" i want to question how exactly is that sinful? are you considering only one scenario where someone is eating for fun? or not giving it to lord krishna and eating it as a prasad? are you considering from smoeone who is skinny fat and weak physically? are you considering that the person might not have enough money to afford supplements? have you concluded all these points before stating your answer or just blindly answered because SOMEONE said it? 

      you said agriculture involved some kind of violence but do you understand the WHY? if so then how come you are okay with insect killing and against animal killing? isnt that being rational?(refer to the first point for this)

      dude how exactly meat eating is TAMSIC so if meet eating is tamsic just because its MEAT with that logic i think a burger is satvic because it contains a bun and a salad in between and a fried potato and not any MEAT.... now youre gonna come up with something like ''oh no its overcooked and all'' then same logic applies with meat also does INTENTIONs not matter? if im eating meat for building a good physique and have energy inside of me what is wrong with that.. if im eating it to perform my duty and action what is wrong with that and how exactly is that sinful at the end of the day.. 

      uhm for the the verse you mentioned.. i am currently not enough knowledgable about how much time each food takes to cook or whatsoever so i'll just not give any opinion on it

      i dont know but maybe my words may sound rude to you or against your idea but im saying this already that i like questioning thoughts and almost many things.. i have seen my people saying this is sin and blah blah blah but they never mention the word INTENTION which is way important.

      i would love to hear your answer to my question

      • Sevak

        Hare Krsna

        animal killings by human is SINFUL

        The above is not my statement. My statement was - Animal killing by humans for eating is sinful.

        how exactly is that sinful?

        I think a more fundamental question would be what is sin ?

        are you considering only one scenario where someone is eating for fun? or not giving it to lord krishna and eating it as a prasad? are you considering from smoeone who is skinny fat and weak physically? are you considering that the person might not have enough money to afford supplements? have you concluded all these points before stating your answer or just blindly answered because SOMEONE said it?

        No scenarios. I've tried to repeat from scriptures.

        Vedavyasa and other great sages have provided scriptures. Humans are capable of folloowing scriptures. Following scriptures is favourable for humans.

        if so then how come you are okay with insect killing and against animal killing?

        Never said it was OK.

        i think a burger is satvic

        Everyone is free to think what ever they want

        now youre gonna come up with something like ''oh no its overcooked and all''

        I won't

        does INTENTIONs not matter?

        They do. When someone eats animal after having them killed for eating, their  intentions  are  clear. Not great intentions.

        if im eating meat for building a good physique and have energy inside of me what is wrong with that

        Would it be OK for you if somone eats your body for their good physique ?

        i dont know but maybe my words may sound rude to you or against your idea

        Doesn't mater

        im saying this already that i like questioning thoughts and almost many things.

        It is sign of an intelligent person,

        i have seen my people saying this is sin and blah blah blah but they never mention the word INTENTION which is way important.

        Intention is important. That doesn't mean ONLY intentions is important and nothing else. There are other factors as well.

        Hare Krsna

        • lol i tried writing this comment the way you did but its too much hastle and idk why this bold button is just weird..

          YOU: The above is not my statement. My statement was - Animal killing by humans for eating is sinful.

          so you mean animal killing by human is not sinful but for eating it is?laughing

          YOU: No scenarios. I've tried to repeat from scriptures.

          i actually didnt understood this part. also i dont know what you mean with human.. A human who questions everything?(not saying about me, or wait am i gaslighting? trust me im not but i said this before that i question everything so..) A human who blindly follows everything? A human who has done bad things in past and wants to change now? what exactly is the definition of human in this context for you?

          YOU: They do. When someone eats animal after having them killed for eating, their  intentions  are  clear. Not great intentions

          didnt understood what you said here HONESTLY

          YOU: Would it be OK for you if somone eats your body for their good physique ?

          its not like im seeing them eating me? once they kill me im dead.. how will i know something like that? assuming i am already told that i will be killed it would only matter to me if im too attached to this liffe. maybe idk this sounds stupid but again i guess this is rational.. how would you feel if you were an insect and some big homo sapiens out there throwing some chemicals on your face so that you will die..? 

          YOU: Intention is important. That doesn't mean ONLY intentions is important and nothing else. There are other factors as well.

          idk what other factors you are mentioning here


          the first statement is a literal ragebait okay lol... idk if you will have a weird reaction over it but i intentionally said itlaughing





          • Sevak

            Hare Krsna

            so you mean animal killing by human is not sinful but for eating it is?laughing

            I mean - Animal killing by humans for eating is sinful.

            Animal killing in self defence is not sinful. 

            Animal killing for leather, tusks, fur, skin etc is sinful

            i dont know what you mean with human.

            Consider dictionary meaning

            how would you feel if you were an insect and some big homo sapiens out there throwing some chemicals on your face so that you will die..?

            I would be terrified.

            if im eating meat for building a good physique and have energy inside of me what is wrong with that

            Would it be wrong, if someone tries to kill you or kills you for eating and building a good physique and have energy inside of them ?

            Hare Krsna

            • YOU: Would it be wrong, if someone tries to kill you or kills you for eating and building a good physique and have energy inside of them ?

              would it be wrong if someone kills you after they breath just to live? 

              YOU: I would be terrified.

              how do you know that in the first place? if you are aware then why are you there?

              YOU: Consider dictionary meaning

              considering the disctionary meaning. how do you know HUMANS follow through scriptures and not think independently? what is the data? is it written somewhere explicitly or its YOUR  idea? 

              YOU: I mean - Animal killing by humans for eating is sinful.

              this statement is straight up brainded and equals breathing kills microbes and its sinful
               


              • Sevak

                Ranga Krishna

                 

                • hhahha :-) right this one is our old friend Ranga Krishna.

                  and the other one is his accomplice Shiva Rama Krishna

                  • and what about you two Bharat and Bharati 🤣 🤣 

                    • im not understanding the reference tbh.. ngl i enjoyed having this intellectual conversation with yall.. the main thing i also wanted to know is are you an independent thinker or someone who follows scripture or whatever gurus says? 

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