3 NEED OF INITIATION Posted by Kalarani R on July 28, 2011 at 1:25pm in Krishna HARE KRISHNAWHAT IS THE NEED OF INITATION? You need to be a member of ISKCON Desire Tree | IDT to add comments! Join ISKCON Desire Tree | IDT Email me when people reply – Follow
IMPORTANT INSTRUCTIONS ON INITIATION.
Q. WHAT IS FIRST INITIATION AND WHAT IS SECOND INITIATION ?
Q. WHAT IS SECOND INITIATION ?
Through Initiation you comes under a disciplic succession starting from Lord Krishna. Remember succession should always flow otherwise that particular paramapara is stopped and you can't avail the mercy (like the foolish Ritviks do)
Anyways, Mercy flows downwards through parampara (from Krishna to the successors). It doesn't flow upwards
So, Catch the mercy and be blessed.
Dear Dasanudas Hare Krsna, Lord Chaitanya's mercy is available to everyone. You do not need to accept formal initiation to get the mercy of the Supreme Lord. Even non Hindus, the Christians and the Muslims and anyone else are welcome to join in the sankirtan of the Holy Names and get the greatest benediction of love of God. And very easily they will get all other desires fulfilled. They do not have to change their religion. Chanting the pure Holy Name is not dependant on formal initiation . If a devotee hears from a pure devotee and under his guidence learns to avoid all the offences in chanting the Holy Names then gradualy he will come to the pure stage of chanting. We are non sectarian. We never say we are the only ones who get the mercy of God.
Please accept my humble obeisances Sri Jagadatma Prji
I certainly agree with what your grace says that Mahaprabhu's mercy is non-sectarian and is for everyone.
Actually, what I was trying to say above is that through Initiation one comes under a particular samparadaya and he gets to serve his Spiritual Master in order to serve the Supreme Lord. Lord Krishna accepts service through his representative and i.e. the mood of a Vaisnava: Gopi bhartu pada kamalyor das dasnudas. Otherwise what is the need of Spiritual Master? Even Sri Caitanyadeva took initiation from Sri Isvara puri- just to show an example that we SHOULD take initiation from a bonafide Spiritual Master.
Please enlighten and correct me if I am wrong.
Dear monish Hare Krsna, you can serve the Supreme Lord without formal initiaton by the 9 processes of bhakti. And if you serve Him favorably without material desires or the desire for liberation you become a pure devotee. Some people are in no position to search out and travel and live with a guru. They may have a different cultural background. religion and lifestyle. Such persons may be only able to get sadhu sanga via the internet. Even if they can get to a temple they also may not find a guru that they can put absolute faith in and take initiation from.
Certainly shastra recomends initiation but it is not absolutely necesary to get love for Krsna and return back to Godhead. Initiation is necesary if you want tobe accepted as a brahmana, perform deity worship in a temple and chant certain mantras, gatatri etc. but in Bhagavad dharma and chanting Hare Krsna it is not an absolute requirement. To be a member of ISKCon you do not have to take initiation. Only if you want some position then you may be required to have been formally initiated.
What is the need of a spiritual master? Well not just to take initiation and your business is finished. Initiate means to begin something. You have to learn what is the order of Krsna. what He wants from you. The Guru is His mesenger. And if anyone hears the message and executes the order he is disciple even without the formal. But if you dont follow As It Is then even your initiation is wortless. You will not get love of God. Please think about this carefully if you want more eidence I will give you. Hare Krsna
As Kåñëa takes away all the sinful reactions of a person immediately upon his surrender unto Him, similarly the external manifestation of Kåñëa, the representative of Kåñëa who acts as the mercy of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, takes all the resultant actions of the sinful life of the disciple immediately after the disciple's initiation. Thus if the disciple follows the principles instructed by the spiritual master, he remains purified and is not contaminated by the material infection.
Çré Caitanya Mahäprabhu therefore states that the spiritual master who plays the part of Kåñëa's representative has to consume all the sinful reactions of his disciple.
Dear Jagadatma Das
Thanks for your reply, your message reveals need of Gurudev guidanace, but what is the need of initation in human life.
If great devotee Meera bai initiated?
In Tamilnadu, Andal initiated? They reached the lotus feet of Krishna how?
Sorry if i asked anything wrong.
During Initiation Period how to act?
Eg. Basically i am short temper means during that period i will show more anger to people surrounding me.Is it advisable?
In my understand initiantion means oneness in mindlevel of guru and disciple is it correct? Practically how it possible? In krishna thinging alone it possible ,but in other matter...
Sorry explain to me in depth