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  • Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

    Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

    Jai Shree Krishna

    You are very lucky that Krishna has showed you the path and drawn you towards him. He is very kind to the devotees.

    There is one thing only, if you forgive, I would like to say humbly.

    Dont try to see Shivji and Krishnaji as separate identities. They are the same - our Lord, they are not two but one. Its for the ease of the devotees, god has shown different faces of his. Shiva and Krishna are one at the origin.

    in the beginning you might have difficulty to visualise them as one, but when do you, you will reach a deeper level of love for god.

    I must say that you are very very lucky that god has allowed you to chant his names.

    Hare Krishna

    • Hare Krsna Rashmi Mataji
      Thanks for helping us out with your devotion.
      Speaking strictly for academic interest for pleasing Srila Prabhupada. The last chapter of Twelfth Canto has 23 verses.
      The Shloka you were referring to is there in the last chapter (13) of
      Twelfth Canto. Text 16 which says in the last two lines that Srimad Bhagavatam is the greatest of all Puranas just as Lord Sambhu(Siva) the greatest of all Vaisnavas.
    • \--Lord Krishna and Lord Shiva are of the same origin--\

      Hare Krishna,

      Lord Krishna has no origin. Lord Krishna and Lord Shiva are compared to Milk and Curd.  Lord Shiva is the greatest Vaisnava. Lord Krishna the supreme being. Lord Shiva is shiva-tattva. As per Srila Prabhupada , Lord Shiva has 84% of the qualities of bhagavan.

      Lord Shiva is glorified in sastras because He is fit to be glorified. Sanatana Goswami strictly advises all vaisnavas to glorify Lord Shiva by following shiva ratri dutifully.

      Lord Rudra is a vibhuti of Lord Krishna.But Lord Krishna is param brahmam and bhagavan. This is the truth from bhagavad gita. 

      Please forgive me for anything  written untoward or mistaken. And correct me if wrong.

      AGTSP

      YS

      • Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

        Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

        Shivji destroys, yes his destructive nature is for the evil, negative energies.

        In Gitaji itself, when Krishna ji shows the viratroop, he shows that god is one. 

        In any case, please forgive for anything which might have hurt anyone. I am refraining writing on this debate now.

        Next, I want to share my experiences of the Lord, I will be writing in this thread itself as the subject of this thread is the best suited.

        Hari Bol. 

    • E-Counselor

      Hare KRsna Mataji,

      PAMHO.

      I am sorry to contradict you - our philosophy says that Krsna and Shiva are not one -- they do not have the same origin. Please read Srimad Bhagawatam - Canto 3 for the origin of the universe. IN fact, the last shloka of Srimad Bhagawatam is also about Shiva being the foremost vaishnava. Pls read mataji.

      Haribol,

      Your servant,

      Rashmi

      • hare krishna mataji,

        i am basically a worshipper of krishna  (ladoo gopal)...

        Please read this. 

        http://moralstories.wordpress.com/2006/05/29/story-of-shiva-and-vis...

        1. there are several instances in Srimad Bhagvatam where krishna is meditating on shiva and shiva is meditating on narayan....please see the above link.

        "“How much one does not see the difference between Shiva and Vishnu, that much his aayu will increase”.

        2. i hope devotees have read about Dakshayagya where Sati sacrifices her material body in the self created yoga-agni, then VIRBHADRA (shiv avtar)  comes and creates a havoc and destroys everything tries to kill dakshaprajapati.....everyone flees...even daksha's father brahmaji flees. only Narayan stayed back as he is the VAKTABATSAL - the one who never ever leaves a devotee.

        but virabhadra defeats narayan and this is mentioned in skanda purana as well as shiv purana

        3. also as everyone know about the legend of Shivlinga - http://www.mahashivratri.org/legend-of-shiva-linga.html  

        4. There are several references to Lord Shiva in the Mahabharata and Ramayana. Both Arjuna and Krishna worshipped Him to obtain favors. In fact, Arjuna obtains Shiva’s astra or weapon known as Pashupata after performing penance to Lord Shiva. In the Ramayana, the demon king Ravana is a great devotee Lord Shiva, and Rama and Hanuman offer prayers to Lord Shiva at Rameshwaram before embarking on their mission to rescue Sita from Ravana.

        As the above four points puts Shivji on the top, there are several points in the history of mankind which puts Vishnuji at the top.....

        There is a famous bhajan among the vaishnavas "ram mein ghanshyam mein shri shyam mein kya fark hai, EK hi maya prabhu ki, tark mein bas tark hai"

        i hope to get some replies.

        Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare

        Hare Rama Hare Ram Ram Ram Hare Hare

        happy chanting to all.

        • E-Counselor

          Hare Krsna Mataji,

          PAMHO.

          This is very famous in ISKCON - all the puranas are divided into the 3 gunas - 6 puranas are in the mode of goodness, 6 in the mode of passion and 6 in the mode of ignorance. Atleast Shiva Purana is in the mode of ignorance (mainly because Shiva is in charge of annhilation, the mode of ignorance). Therefore, quoting from the Shiva Purana will not convince anyone fron ISKCON. We believe Srimad Bhagawatam, which was written as a summary of all vedas and puranas and itihas, which says Krsna is the supreme.

          Ultimately its a matter of belief - regardless of shastric evidence, if one is convinced about something for whatever reason, then one will continue to believe in that only, and the lord mentions in the Gita that He will make the belief of such a person firm in whatever he beleives.

          There is another post on Discussion forum only (I think by Krishna Das) - about how one devotee came to Krishna bhakti - he started by being a Shiva bhakt. Maybe you could read that.

          Its a matter of believing the philosophy propounded by ISKCON, your choice, you can believe or you can reject. I am somehow exhausted of going into the same deliberations and arguments again and again. Like HH Bhanu Swamy Maharaj says - shastra says this and shastra says that also. You can beleive what you want and say shastra says that.

          Haribol,

          Your servant,

          Rashmi

        • Hare Krsna Krishna Dasi Mataji

          Lord Siva is called Mahadeva, greatest of all demigods, although sometimes Lord Brahma is considered the greatest of all demigods, because he can create, whereas Lord Siva can annihilate the creations of Brahma. But both Lord Brahma and Lord Siva act only in one capacity, Lord Brahma can create, and Lord Siva can annihilate, but neither of them can maintain. Lord Visnu, however, not only maintains, but He creates and annihilates also.

          In Srimad Bhagavatam Fouth Canto "The creation of the fourth order" by His divine grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada

          It is mentioned that Virbhadra frustrated the sacrifice of Daksa(S.B. Canto four Chapter six Text 3)

          BOTH LORD BRAHMA AND LORD VISNU HAD ALREADY KNOWN THAT SUCH EVENTS WOULD OCCUR IN THE SACRIFICIAL ARENA OF DAKSA, AND KNOWING BEFOREHAND, THEY DID NOT GO TO THE SACRIFICE.

          Lord Brahma then pacified Lord Siva with prayers, Lord Siva who was deeply grieved by the act of Sati quiting her body, was pleased. He rectified the damage done by his soldiers and the sacrifice was resumed.

          Lord Visnu appeared there in His original form as Narayana after the brahmanas purified the contaminated sacrificial arena caused by the touch of Virbhadra and the other ghostly followers of Lord Siva.

          Here is a description:

          S.B. Canto four Chapter seven Text 19

          LORD NARAYANA WAS SEATED ON THE SHOULDER OF STOTRA, OR GARUDA, WHO HAD BIG WINGS. AS SOON AS THE LORD APPEARED, ALL DIRECTIONS WERE ILLUMINATED, DIMINISHING THE LUSTER OF BRAHMA AND THE OTHERS PRESENT. 

  • Hare Krishna

    Wonderful story and very inspring too.

    • Thank You!!! Hare Krishna!!!

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