Managing Home Loan

Hare Krishna

I have a question in my mind related to manging lifestyle and home loan which I just wanted tto ask here.

So just to give a background, I am working in the IT industry and have a total exp of close to 20 years (all of it in India i.e. no onsite). 
A couple of years back, I had purchase a home which cost me almost 1.9 cr (with interiors)

I had taken a loan of close to 1.1 cr for this (rest being down payment). At the time of purchase, even though it was a bit of stretch for me, considering that this was in tier-1 city, it was actually an average price. In close to 2 years, by Krishna's mercy, I am able to bring down the outstanding home loan amount to approx 73 lakhs as of now. 

I have been living on a very tight budget and trying to repay the home loan as much as possible (technically the idea to prepay in the initial years is also because of the way EMIs are designed i.e. Principal + Interest component and so having more impact of subsequent EMIs towards principal repayment).
I have literally tried to eliminate every possible extra spending and thankfully have a supportive wife (who is mainly into a housewife role taking care of our kid, but does support in a small way via private tutions)

It was clear in my mind and also made clear to my spouse that we'll have to live very low-key for almost 3 years (out of which close to 2 years have passed)

My questions are ;
1. In my new society, there are friends/colleagues who tend to to a lot of outings, etc and I almost always deny them with whatever reason. Again, even to them, I have mentioned to them that for me, clearing the home loan is the No. 1 priority.
2. Even in my home, at times, I delay lot of purchases or for example, if my wife wants to join for certain hobby classes for the kids e.g. dance, etc, I ask her again if it is really needed.

While it was made very clear to my wife that at the time of home purchase decision, that it would mean cutting down signifcanctly on other expenses and she does understand. 
But, my question is always denying to people tends to create a guilt within me and somehow I feel, if I should loosen up a bit. Can this attitude of always denying to people cause harm in the long run and in any sesne, the overall growth.
I see people in my society who also have taken similar loans, but they continue to spend quite big (e.g. cars, outings, etc). 

The reason for my living in somewhat defensive manners are ;
1. Lack of safety of jobs in the IT industry
2. You can also say that by nature or family background, I am not a very aggresive personality.

Again, the purchase of home was via Krishna's mercy and I am hoping for his mercy to carry me forward.

Hare Krishna

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  • Hare Krishna,

    You are stressed out. You need to relax a bit.  laughing

    जितनी चादर हो उतना ही पैर फैलाना चाहिये
    English Equivalent: cut your dress according to your cloth
    Meaning: limit your expenses according to your earnings
     
    A house poor person is anyone whose housing expenses account for an exorbitant percentage of their monthly budget. Individuals in this situation are short of cash for discretionary items and tend to have trouble meeting other financial obligations, such as vehicle payments, or doing fun stuff like going on vaccations, spending time with family and friends, eating out etc.
     
    People in general are running according to the friends they chose to move along with. 
     
    You mentioned--
     
    "I see people in my society who also have taken similar loans, but they continue to spend quite big (e.g. cars, outings, etc)."
     
    Your decision to buy a home so expensive was made by comparision with you friends who form your soceity. Don't deny that. They took loans and they said provoked you to take loan to buy the expensive home.
    Your decision in life are not really made by you. It is as per the society you are moving with.  
     
    You know one thing-- I am also wife of an IT guy. We live in USA. His friend have  purchased a big independent homes taking huge loans. They were our  neighbors in a rented apartment and they were ..our   next door neighbors.. They purchased such a beautiful home they moved to a nice locality and invited us for grihapravesha. I was also tempted as a normal housewife would be. I go and tell my husband. You friend has taken a loan why not we? My husband said woh toh bahut dino se settled hai yahan pe. He has properties also in India. Hum nahi afford kar sakte. I kept quiet. 
    But they keep inviting us to their house-- The lady tells me aap log bhi shift ho jaao idar. Tell you husband to move here. Hum log saath mein reh sakte hai. Here it is so nice. 
    I go and tell my husband .. wahan pe bahut achha hai kehti hai woh.. chalo hum bhi ghar lete hai wahan pe.
    The lady next time makes fun of me inviting for some party. We go and they show off and even tell on my face. Everytime we alone have to call you to our home .. Even if you call us to ur house.. hum log kahan gather honge. It is a small apartment. So I decided that you come to our home and lets have a party here.
    Ye toh insult hogaya humara. Next time she makes more comments.. tum log na wahi ke wahi rahoge.. koi tarraki nahi. You have not gone anywhere over these years. You have been where you are. Hum dekho kahan se kahan pahunch gaye. Even the guy says hey.. I made Mr. X and Mr. Y also purchase here .. unke ghar bhi chalo tumko idea milenge humare yehan humari IT log ( Indians ) ne community banai hai we all made a great living here. Now you are missing this place. They take us to  Mr. X and Mr.Y's  houses nearby their homes and say.. Ye dekho ye log abhi darr rahe hai .. Loan lene se hi darr rahe hai.
    They made a fool of us .. They all chatted. . talked about their properites and earnings and woman showed their jewellery and clothing and branded bags and shoes. They showed their leather couches and they said they made such great Improvement in life and we are poor. They made us feel like we are not even worthy of living in USA.
     
    My husband and I went home felt bad internally that these type of show off people are my friends and I have to live wih them. I wont live with them.  We both decided that we should move to a different community where there are no Indians. You know Indian here in USA. They behave weirdly. They are show off .  If  its a small party as a birthday they make a big thing and celebrate and call people to just to show off or to taunt and hurt others. I said to my husband we shall never be with these people.
     
    My husabnd brought an apartment in a different community and lived there.  They call us they taunt. We don't care. If they are going out partying we don't care now. My apartment is in a place where there are no Indians. Thanks Krishna I have no need to attend to others wedding days and get insulted about the presents which I present them.  We just severed our connections with such people who are only interested in enjoyment.. entertainment and show off.   Ya we also have called them for our grihapravesh they made comments on us that we couldn't purchase an independent home and made us feel low. But then we learnt to give a deaf ear. kab tak hum doosaron ke liye jeeye. Apne liye apni priorities kya hai woh hum tai karenge. Their life they gave importance to partying, making bigger homes. showing off couches and leather bags. I have given priority for living the life my style.
    basically one needs roti kapda makaan.  thora achha wala sabzi ke saath roti.. thora achha kapda thoda sa achha makkan. ab humko isse zyada diya toh bhi suit nahi karega.
    Haan one family came to our samll apartment and said..-- India se toh behtar hi hai ye apartment. Ab isko complimnet mein le ya fir ....
    ek aur family aayi humare apartment ko bola--chhota hai lekin hum sab pass pass baithe hai. yaar bada hai ya chhota ek jagah pe toh baithna hai... ye bhi sahi hai.
    atleast today we paid off our loans and have an apartment of our own. 
    Atleast we are not within that community were people daily compare each others shoes and handbags and couches etc etc.
    They call her for parties we are located far away. Slowly slowly the connections have faded. Neither we call them nor they call. 
    Maybe they considered us very poor or lower class guys.
    But I am happy to be alone rather than being in a society who gives importance to only superficial things.
    Well..even some devotee friends whom I made ( who are ofcourse converted ones.. who recently shifted to vaishnavism) because they were into materialistic life so far into their lives .. They are also almost like the old friends.  I am better alone and practice bhakti. 

    We cannot live as per the priorities of others. I have my priorities. I give importance to " SIMPLE LIVING AND HIGH THINKING"
    It is not that we cannot afford. We really don't need that much. Ab koi aur hota mere husband ke jagah. He would have sold properties in India and immediately purchased an independent home next to them and daily used to live by the terms and dictations of the society which we would be living.
     
    Even if we in furture puchase an independent home also we should be careful that we should mind our lives and run our lives as per our priorities. 

    My aim is different  the people whom make up my neighbors their aim is different . How can we match?
    My aim is simple living high thinking.. their aim is complex living complex thinking. 
    Hare Krishna
     
     
    • Hare Krishna
       
      Thank you so much for your detailed response. I also come from a conservative family and so what you mentioned as below resonate entirely with me;
       
      जितनी चादर हो उतना ही पैर फैलाना चाहिये
      English Equivalent: cut your dress according to your cloth
      Meaning: limit your expenses according to your earnings
       
      In fact, even I tend to live in a very frugal way and am totally disinterested in showing off. Actually, lot of people think that I am crazy to not "enjoy". though after regular reading on Krishna consciousness, I realize the impermanence of material enjoyment and that we should be minimizing it (instead of increasing it) 

      While I would not be able to explain everything over here regarding the decision to purchase the new home, broadly there were 2;
      1.  My earlier place was in a flat approx 46 year old society purchased by my father (close to 45 years back)
      2. There were some legal case going on for close to 25 years blocking it from going into redevelopment and us getting a flat in new redeveloped society

      We eventually sold that place and I purchased this new one with full awareness that it is going to be quite a stretch. Also, I have never taken loans for anything in my life (apart from home loan). So again, the thing in my mind was house being ultimately an asset (and not a liability like say a car) and with interest rates lower on home loan compared to say personal loan, I took the decision based on that. I also took that decsion with full understanding that I had assets in stock market to cover which can be used to repay the loan (should anything go wrong in between)

      Now coming back to the issue;
      While my wife is also supportive in terms of me not readily agreeing to every call of so-called "fun outing", she thinks that I should be more balanced in my approach and at-times, do go out and have some sort of social connection. She is of the view that we'll realize these things at a much later age when we might not have anyone to connect/talk with.
      I am also wanting this balance, but I am somewhat not able to get that. 

      Apologies if I said anything incorrectly.

      Hare Krishna
      • Hare Krishna,

        "While my wife is also supportive in terms of me not readily agreeing to every call of so-called "fun outing", she thinks that I should be more balanced in my approach and at-times, do go out and have some sort of social connection. She is of the view that we'll realize these things at a much later age when we might not have anyone to connect/talk with.
        I am also wanting this balance, but I am somewhat not able to get that."
         
        See, She as a normal wife she is saying truth. She wants some outing fun activities and social connections. But as a devotee our main interest is  to connect to Krishna and Krishna conscious devotees. Not with aire gaire people. 
        If you as a devotee .. we find happiness in connecting with the Supreme Lord as our only friend, relative and wellwisher and all his devotees are our friends. Devotees go outing too.  There is fun activities among devotees but the center being not selfish pleasure.  Center being giving Pleasure to Krishna.

        The momment we are enjoy to please ourselves we are entering into Maya.
         
        Well, you shouldn't ask us this questions we will sound weird only.
         
        Esp. me. I love being alonelaughing I spend more time with Krishna in that way. Chanting, listening to bhajans, listening to lectures on bhakti. I find myself very busy and enjoying..
        At time I even smile, laugh and enjoy crying .. hearing to Krishna's activities. My husband says laughs at me  and says..--that come out of Vrindavan. We are still in this world only.  Our regular talks also revolve around Krishna. 
        laughing
        I don't like watching movies or going outing or even do anything else. I find all types of happiness in Krishna.  So, I am a bad sport maybe I am not interested because.. Even if I go out with people.. my mind will be like when will I come home and chant or listen to katha or sing hear bhajans.  
         
        Lol I might sound crazy.  Well... There is much more blissful life for me than crazy movies and dinners and outings.
        If I go out to some sight seeing also.. I will get reminded .. of some leela of lord or some sloka of BG or some instance that makes me connect to Krishna there and I am lost in between.
         
        So I am the wrong person to ask about this.  
        Plus these cars and all. If you have money buy it. Not for others sake. When you need you can buy. 
         
        We  have  mercedes... and I sit in that car think I wish I was in Vrindavan walking barefooted on the roads where Lord walked on.  What can you say for that. I wish for a house a bigger house so that I can buy bigger krishna and radha deities and have a separate Pooja big altar and pooja room too.. so that I can store all Prabhupada books properly.
        I wish I had a big backyard so that I can have tulsi garden which I can pluck daily make garlands for the Krishna daily. I see a big home with Gazebo.. I think how I wish I had that home. I would put 
        Krishna and Radha on that platform in the Gazebo.
        In this way my center of all activities is Krishna only. Nothing for my pleasure. If I give pleasure to Krishna it makes me so so so happy.
        I put small 2-3 tulasi plants in the patio.. sunshine doesn't fall so much as the patio is covered. Everytime I go to water them. I feel how I wish I have a backyard and plant tulsi on the ground.
        I live in california. Here the place value is too high. to own condo itself is a half a million dollar worth.
        ab humara outing ka plans -- dekho I wish to go to India for outings and visit Vrindavan and Dwarika and Tirupati.
         
        We spare money for visiting temples and donating money for annadana in tirupati and Vrindavan. Last visit to India our outing is Tirupati and donated 2 lakhs for annadana seva and gau seva.
        This our maximum outing plans and it gives us immense happiness .. Lord calls us and we visit. 
        ab kaunsa friend humko harr saala aisa bulata hai.. Humare kanha hi toh hai humara friend 
        outing bhi uske saath hi. enjoyment bhi unke saat hi.
        Vrindavan I went too last year and I donated money for food to poor people on a festive day.
        anyhow
        Hare Krishna
        • Hare Krishna
           
          Thanks for sharing such a detailed Krishna conscious way of living your life. Hope to live such a life some day in the future. 
          At this stage, I intend to somehow find the right-balance (not wanting to cut off from the outside material world). Though with the realization that real life is in spiritual things and would want to gradually aspire for that. Not sure if that goal is feasible OR does it always have to be that you choose either Maya or Krishna.

          Hare Krishna
  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna

    Always denying to people tends to create a guilt within me and somehow I feel, if I should loosen up a bit. 

     Since you have not mentioned what these "outings" are , I assume that these don't have selfless service to Sri Krsna at its center. So this guilt is because of denying some immediate sense gratification for a better future. 

    Can this attitude of always denying to people cause harm in the long run and in any sesne, the overall growth.

    More than denial to people , it seems it is more of denying some sense-gratification to one self. Once a desire has been planted within the heart of a conditioned soul, it is capable of keeping that condiioned soul in material world for many lifetimes. Any material desire is harmful. 

    Hare Krsna

    • Sevak

      Hare Krsna 

      Angam galitam palitam mundam
      Dasanavihinam jatam tundam
      Vriddho yati grihitva dandam
      Tadapi na munchaty asapindam
      Bhaja Govindam Bhaja Govindam
      Govindam Bhaja mudamate

      The limbs (अङ्गं angam) are weakened (गलितम् galitam); the head (मुण्डम् mundam) has turned grey (पलितम् palitam); the mouth (तुण्डम् tundam) has become (जातम् jātam) toothless (दशनविहीनम् dashanavihīnam). The old man (व्रूद्ध: vrddha:) walks (याति yāti) holding (गृहीत्वा gruhītvā) a stick (दण्डम् dandam). Even then (तदपि tadapi) [he] does not give up (न मुञ्चति na munchati) his bundle of hopes and desires (आशापिण्डम् āshāpindam).

      Worship Govinda Worship Govinda
      Worship Govinda you fool  - Sripada Adi Shankaracarya 

      Hare Krsna

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