Hare Krishna !!
From Bhagavatam (canto 3, chp 26)
When the dormant energy of supreme personality of Godhead becomes manifested called as Mahat-tattva, the material ego springs up from the mahat-tattva,which evolved from Lords own energy.
When Supreme personality of Godhead impregnates Material nature ( called as pradhana in unmanifested form) with his internal potency,the material nature (the 3 modes, good,passion,ignorance) becomes manifested(now called as prakriti)
And From the false ego of goodness, another transformation takes place. From this invovles the mind,whose thoughts and reflections give rise to "DESIRE"
From most of the devotees I have heard that the root cause of the living entities becoming conditioned soul is the desire to enjoy separately from God or to think themselves as God.
So why and how this false ego arises from pure consciousness? From above translation in Bhagavatam , what I understand is "DESIRE" can never exists in spiritual world.
Everything in material world is the result of mahat-tattva. So why and how are conditioned soul responsible for the original cause of his/her karma.?
Jai shree Krishna.
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Hare Krishna
Thank you Anand prabhuji and Sudipta guruji.
"Living entities desires is the original cause and mahat tattva is the subsequent cause to fullfill those desires"
Well I have read all those above underlined points by sudipta prabhu in the purport of Bhagavatam.
But I still couldn't understand why living entities would desire to enjoy separately when they are already in an spiritual environment full of bliss and true ego.
Well I have decided to convince myself by saying that "It's all Lords will , after all he is the master, he can do whatever he wants"
Inline with the story of those 4 ashwini kumars who cursed jaya, vijaya . When ashwini kumars regretted for their anger, Lord Vishnu said that it was his will/desire that jaya,vijaya be sent down in demon family.
And the explanation given in the Bhagvatam book is that probably...
Because Lord vishnu desired to fight with someone. And because nobody from spiritual world would want to fight Lord Vishnu , he (the supreme Lord) manifested the curse for jaya/vijaya in the mind of those 4 ashwini kumara's so that he could fight with jaya/vijaya.
So everything drills down to Lord's wish/desire to some extent on why living entities desire to enjoy separately.
jai ho shree Krishna apki ki leela apram par hai, anant hai..
in one commentary it says that Jay and Vijay were not within the Vaikuntha planet but in the door step. But also it says that when Lord descends to this world all His associates also descend along with Him. Even Shrimati Radharani comes to this world along with Him.
In this way You are right it is Lord's will and wish. Whatever He desires that happens.
And to accept that means real surrender.
Your servant,
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Hare Krishna Mataji. PAMHO. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
So why and how this false ego arises from pure consciousness?
In the beginning, from clear consciousness, or the pure state of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, the first contamination sprang up. This is called false ego, or identification of the body as self. The living entity exists in the natural state of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, but he has marginal independence, and this allows him to forget Kṛṣṇa. Originally, pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness exists, but because of misuse of marginal independence there is a chance of forgetting Kṛṣṇa. This is exhibited in actual life; there are many instances in which someone acting in Kṛṣṇa consciousness suddenly changes. In the Upaniṣads it is stated, therefore, that the path of spiritual realization is just like the sharp edge of a razor. The example is very appropriate. One shaves his cheeks with a sharp razor very nicely, but as soon as his attention is diverted from the activity, he immediately cuts his cheek because he mishandles the razor.
Not only must one come to the stage of pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness, but one must also be very careful. Any inattentiveness or carelessness may cause falldown. This falldown is due to false ego. From the status of pure consciousness, the false ego is born because of misuse of independence. We cannot argue about why false ego arises from pure consciousness. Factually, there is always the chance that this will happen, and therefore one has to be very careful. False ego is the basic principle for all material activities, which are executed in the modes of material nature. As soon as one deviates from pure Kṛṣṇa consciousness, he increases his entanglement in material reaction. The entanglement of materialism is the material mind, and from this material mind, the senses and material organs become manifest. ~ SB 3.26.23-24 Purport by His Divine Grace
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/*From above translation in Bhagavatam , what I understand is "DESIRE" can never exists in spiritual world.*/
The Translations and purport saying about Falso ego springs up from Mahat Tattva. It is not talking about True Ego. Living entity always have desires, in spiritual world due to having true ego they have spiritual desires of serving Krishna, but in material world due to having false ego living entity have perverted desires of serving his own senses.
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/*Everything in material world is the result of mahat-tattva. So why and how are conditioned soul responsible for the original cause of his/her karma.?*/
Living entities desires is the original cause and mahat tattva is the subsequent cause to fullfill those desires, Living entity always have independence therefore even in pure state of consciousness there may desire arise to Lord over matter, thus Krishna inject living entities in mahat tattva and the manifested or material world comes into existence.
Hope this will help
Your aspiring Servant
Hari Bol