hare krishana to all.
As i have just joined iskcon due to my spirtual journey question here are the fews
1. Why only krishna as some of the diety did not took birth..as shiva or vishnu
2. when it is the matter of service to human...............why chanting Hare Krishna Mahamantra
3. When any other diety lover enter the society why the diety like hanumat/ Durga are degraded by the preacher.
4. we are the human being and have fear in heart. should we critisize the empowered diety.
these are some of the question...... Please clear the fact.
Hare Krishna
Replies
Hare Krishna!
1. Why only krishna as some of the diety did not took birth..as shiva or vishnu
In the Vedic tradition, there are different levels of understanding and realization of the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Lord Krishna is considered the ultimate manifestation of the Supreme Lord, and all other deities are His expansions or incarnations. Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu are also considered to be powerful manifestations of the Supreme Lord, but they have specific roles and functions in relation to the material world. Therefore, it is natural for devotees to focus on Lord Krishna as the ultimate object of their worship and devotion.
2. when it is the matter of service to human...............why chanting Hare Krishna Mahamantra
Chanting the Hare Krishna Mahamantra is considered the most effective way to purify the mind and awaken our spiritual consciousness. By chanting the holy names of Krishna, we can gradually develop our love and devotion for Him, and ultimately attain the highest perfection of life, which is to go back to Godhead. This process of chanting and hearing the holy names of Krishna is recommended for everyone, regardless of their social or spiritual background.
3. When any other diety lover enter the society why the diety like hanumat/ Durga are degraded by the preacher.
When any other diety lover enter the society why the diety like hanumat/ Durga are degraded by the preacher.In the Vedic tradition, there is a hierarchy of deities, with Lord Krishna being the ultimate object of worship. However, this does not mean that other deities are degraded or inferior. Rather, they are all different manifestations of the same Supreme Lord, and they have their specific roles and functions in relation to the material world. Therefore, it is important to respect and honor all the deities, and understand their relationship with the Supreme Lord.
4. we are the human being and have fear in heart. should we critisize the empowered diety.
As human beings, we should always approach the empowered deities with respect and reverence, and avoid criticizing or offending them. However, it is also important to understand their nature and function, and to follow the teachings of the Vedic scriptures and the spiritual master in our worship and devotion.
I have seen too many times this type of post . So I am here to clear all confusion from Shastras.
𝗤𝘂𝗲 1 - 𝗜𝘀 𝗗𝘂𝗿𝗴𝗮 𝗮 𝗦𝗲𝘃𝗶𝗸𝗮 𝗼𝗳 𝗦𝗿𝗶 𝗛𝗮𝗿𝗶 𝗼𝗿 𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝘃𝗶𝘀𝗵𝗻𝘂𝘁𝗮𝘁𝘁𝘃𝗮 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗶𝗲𝘀 ?
𝗔𝗡𝗦-
𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐟𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨𝐥𝐞 𝐖𝐨𝐫𝐥𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐚 ( 𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐞𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐠𝐲 )-
◉ऋतेऽर्थं यत्प्रतीयेत न प्रतीयेत चात्मनि ।
तद्विद्यादात्मनो मायां यथाभासो यथा तमः ॥३४॥
(Śrimad Bhāgavatam 2:9:34)
Translitration :
ṛte 'rthaṃ yat pratīyeta na pratīyeta cātmani
tad vidyād ātmano māyāṃ yathābhāso yathā tamaḥ
English translation: O Brahmā, whatever appears to be of any value, if it is without relation to Me, has no reality. Know it as My māyā, My illusory energy that reflection which appears in darkness.
Hindi Translation : हे ब्रह्मा, जो भी सारयुक्त प्रतीत होता है, यदि वह मुझसे सम्बन्धित नहीं है, तो उसमें कोई वास्तविकता नहीं है। इसे मेरी माया जानो, इसे ऐसा प्रतिबिम्ब मानो जो अन्धकार में प्रकट होता है।
𝗠𝗮𝘆𝗮 /𝗗𝗲𝘃𝗶 𝗗𝘂𝗿𝗴𝗮 𝗶𝘀 𝗟𝗼𝗿𝗱 𝗦𝗲𝘃𝗶𝗸𝗮 -
◉सृष्टि-स्थिति-प्रलय-साधन-शक्तिरेका
छायेव यस्य भुवनानि विभर्ति दुर्गा ।
इच्छानुरूपमपि यस्य च चेष्टते सा
गोविन्दमादि-पुरुषं तमहं भजामि ॥
(Brahmā-Saṃhitā 5:44)
Transliteration:
sṛṣṭhi-sthiti-pralaya-sādhana-śaktir-ekā
chāyeva yasya bhuvanāni vibharti durgā
icchānurūpam api yasya ca ceṣṭate sā
govindam ādi puruṣaṃ tam ahaṃ bhajāmi
English Translation : The external energy, māyā, is of the nature of the shadow of the cit potency. She is worshiped as Durgā the agent of the Lord who is responsible for creating, preserving, and destroying the mundane world. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda, in accordance with whose will Durgā conducts herself.
Hindi Translation : बाह्य शक्ति माया, सित् शक्ति की छाया के समान है। वह प्रभु की कार्यकारी अधिकारी दुर्गा के रूप में पूजित होती है । जो प्रभु सृष्टि, स्थिति और प्रलय की जिम्मेदार है। मैं मूल प्रभु गोविन्द/श्रीहरि को नमन करता हूं, जिसकी इच्छा के अनुसार दुर्गा अपने कार्य को निभाती है।
𝐌𝐲 𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐟 𝐌𝐚𝐲𝐚 (𝐃𝐞𝐯𝐢 𝐃𝐮𝐫𝐠𝐚)-
◉ अत्रैव मायाधमनावतारे ह्यस्य प्रपञ्चस्य बहि: स्फुटस्य।
कृत्स्नस्य चान्तर्जठरे जनन्या मायात्वमेव प्रकटीकृतं ते ॥ १६ ॥
(Śrimad Bhagvatam 10:14:16)
Transliteration :
atraiva māyā-dhamanāvatāre
hy asya prapañcasya bahiḥ sphuṭasya
kṛtsnasya cāntar jaṭhare jananyā
māyātvam eva prakaṭī-kṛtaṁ te
English Translation: My dear Lord, in this incarnation You have proved that You are the supreme controller of Māyā. Although You are now within this universe, the whole universal creation is within Your transcendental body — a fact You demonstrated by exhibiting the universe within Your abdomen before Your mother, Yaśodā.
Hindi Translation: हे प्रभु, आपने इसी अवतार में यह सिद्ध कर दिया है कि आप माया के परम नियंत्रक हैं। यद्यपि आप अब इस ब्रह्माण्ड के भीतर हैं किन्तु सारा ब्रह्माण्ड आपके दिव्य शरीर के भीतर है—आपने इस तथ्य को माता यशोदा के समक्ष अपने उदर के भीतर ब्रह्माण्ड दिखलाकर प्रदर्शित कर दिया है।
ʘ There is only 10 primal Upnishad among 108 which is considered as Shruti Shastra , Swetasvara Upnishada is from them , So the Shruti Shastra claim the same -
◉ मायां तु प्रकृतिं विद्यान्मायिनं च महेश्वरम्।
(Swetasvara Upnishada 4:10)
Transliteration: māyāṁ tu prakṛtiṁ vidyānmāyinaṁ ca maheśvaram |
Translation : Maya is the Prakriti and know the Supreme Lord as the master of Prakruti .
Hindi Translation: माया प्रकृति है और वह महान ईश्वर प्रकृति का स्वामी हैं।
𝐁𝐡𝐚𝐠𝐯𝐚𝐭 𝐆𝐢𝐭𝐚 𝐜𝐥𝐚𝐢𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐦𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐝 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐞𝐫 𝐨𝐟 𝐌ā𝐲ā 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐛𝐡𝐚𝐤𝐭𝐢 𝐡𝐞𝐥𝐩 𝐭𝐨 𝐞𝐬𝐜𝐚𝐩𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐢𝐭-
◉ दैवी ह्येषा गुणमयी मम माया दुरत्यया।
मामेव ये प्रपद्यन्ते मायामेतां तरन्ति ते।।
(Bhagvad Gita 7:14)
Transliteration: Daivī hyeṣā guṇamayī mama māyā duratyayā.
Mām-eva ye prapadyante māyāmetāṃ taranti te.
English Translation : This divine energy of Mine, consisting of the three modes of material nature, is difficult to overcome. But those who have surrendered unto Me can easily cross beyond it.
Hindi Translation : मेरी यह त्रिगुणमयी दैवी माया बड़ी दुरत्यय है अर्थात् इससे पार पाना बड़ा कठिन है। जो केवल मेरे ही शरण होते हैं, वे इस माया को तर जाते हैं।
𝗟𝗼𝗿𝗱 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝗱𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝗳𝗿𝗲𝗲 𝗳𝗿𝗼𝗺 𝗠𝗮𝘆𝗮
प्रवर्तते यत्र रजस्तमस्तयोः सत्त्वं च मिश्रं न च कालविक्रमः ।
न यत्र माया किमुतापरे हरेरनुव्रता यत्र सुरासुरार्चिताः ॥१०॥
(Śrimad Bhāgavatam 2:9:10)
Transliteration:
pravartate yatra rajas tamas tayoḥ
sattvaṁ ca miśraṁ na ca kāla-vikramaḥ
na yatra māyā kim utāpare harer
anuvratā yatra surāsurārcitāḥ
English Translation : There is no influence of the mode of passion, ignorance, or even the mixed mode of goodness in that place. Time does not make any mistakes there, and Maya cannot even step there , then how Maya illusion entered that place ? That not possible. The associates of the Lord reside there, and both the gods and demons worship them.
Hindi Translation : वहाँ रजोगुण, तमोगुण और इनसे मिला हुआ सत्त्वगुण भी नहीं है। वहाँ न काल की दाल गलती है और न माया ही कदम रख सकती है; फिर माया के बाल-बच्चे तो जा ही कैसे सकते हैं। वहाँ भगवान्के वे पार्षद निवास करते हैं, जिनका पूजन देवता और दैत्य दोनों ही करते हैं ॥ १० ॥
𝗠𝗮𝘆𝗮 𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀𝗲𝗹𝗳 𝗮𝗰𝗰𝗲𝗽𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘁𝗿𝘂𝘁𝗵
Brahmavaivarta Purana : Brahma Khanda, Sauti and Shaunaka conversasation : Third chapter -
अहं प्रकृतिरीशाना सर्वेशा सर्वरूपिणी।
सर्वशक्तिस्वरूपा च मया च शक्तिमज्जगत्॥
त्वया सृष्टान स्वतन्त्रा त्वमेव जगतां पतिः।
गतिश्च पाता स्रष्टा च संहर्त्ता च पुनर्विधिः॥
चराचरांश्च विश्वेषु देवान्ब्रह्मपुरोगमान्।
मद्विधाः कति वा देवीः स्रष्टुं शक्तश्च लीलया॥
वेदाश्च विदुषां श्रेष्ठाः स्तोतुं शक्ताश्च न क्षमाः।
निर्लक्ष्यं कः क्षमः स्तोतुंतं निरीहं नमाम्यहम्॥
इत्येवमुक्त्वा सा दुर्गा रत्नसिंहासने वरे।
उवास नत्वा श्रीकृष्णं तुष्टुवुस्तां सुरेश्वराः॥
Translation - "Devi Durga said - I am Prakriti, the controller of all, the embodiment of all forms, and the supreme power. Through my power alone, this world is sustained. Yet I am not independent, for you are the creator, protector, destroyer, and recreator of the three worlds.You can create countless deities like me and animate and inanimate beings in this universe. Even the Vedas and the most knowledgeable scholars cannot praise you properly, but I, the insignificant one, offer my humble obeisance to you, the Supreme Being. Saying thus, Durga Devi bowed to Lord Krishna and sat on the throne of precious stones, as the gods looked on with satisfaction."
𝗤𝘂𝗲 2 - 𝗜𝘀 𝗗𝗲𝘃𝗶 𝗗𝘂𝗿𝗴𝗮 𝗮 𝗗𝗲𝗺𝗶𝗚𝗼𝗱𝗱𝗲𝘀𝘀 ?
𝗔𝗻𝘀- I already answered this question many times, Swami Prabhupad uses Demigod for Devas and Demigoddess for Devi as Durga is a Devi so she is Demigoddess as per Swami Prabhupad English translation word for Devi .
He also uses airplane for vimana as there is no exact word in English for that....
English don't have separate words for Bhagvan and Devta so God and Demigod is best for better understanding for those who don't know anything about Sanskrit and you have to explain them ....
Prabhuji,with all due respect
according to my knowledge, Lord Shiva is not a minor god or demigod..even Daksha Prajapati who was great devotee of Vishnuji did the same crime showing Shiva minor god to Vishnu everywhere....but in the end what happened his stupidity of showing Vishnuji supreme than Shiva didn't work....and his all arrogance of showing Vishnu Supreme was finally cut-down with his own all people who everytime shows Shiva a minor god while Vishnu a Supreme God...and even Vishnuji didn't help his devotee Daksha Prajapati.
after this incident,Narada pancharatra came where Naradaji,the great devotee of Narayan, recited.
Shivo Harirhariha Shakshatchiva Eva Nirupitaha
Shivadveshi Haridrohi Vishnum Nityam Bhajanapi
Meaning:
‘Shiva is Hari and Hari is none other than Shiva. An enemy of Shiva is an enemy of Hari, even though anyone may daily worship Vishnu.’ (Narad Pancharatra) which is uploaded on the link http://puredevoteeseva.ning.com/m/blogpost?id=3913762%3ABlogPost%3A151352
by one of ISKCON member whose name is Shri Nrsngha Dasa Prabhuji, USA
And this is the biggest irony of ISKCON,that almost all iskcon devotees and aacharyas whether they are of india origin or foreign origin feel pleasure in calling Shiva- a demigod
prabhuji, we are just humans...we can commit crime..we can commit mistakes but must not do again and again like Daksha Prajapati who insulted Shiva everytime by showing Him small and minor to Vishnu
also from Brahma Sangita, vishnuji is milk and shivji is yogurt....but it doesn't mean that shivji becomes minor god or demogod
even lord says in Gita that i m only sankara among the 11 Rudras (where all 11 Rudras comes from Shiva), and now if we equate sankara = shiva according to BG 10:23, then it would mean that vishnu = shiva , which also means that vishnuji is now yogurt....but this is not the real truth...vishnuji is only sankara...he is not shiva...he is only milk and we should drink this milk everyday..other than that
one name of vishnuji is jagganath in puri and one name of shivji is vishwanatha in kashi
and both have the same meaning,which is,father of the universe or lord of the universe..
also read SrimadBhagwatam where there are so many slokas in praise of Lord Shiva,here i quote all the real authentic meaning of all some slokas, not the fabricated and edited meaning which has been done in the PURPORT
SB 8.7.23: O lord shiva , you are self-effulgent and supreme. You create this material world by your personal energy, and you assume the names Brahma, Viṣṇu & Maheshvara when you act in creation, maintenance and annihilation.
SB 8.7.24: O lord , You are the cause of all causes, the self-effulgent , inconceivable , and you are alone the Secret Parabrahman. You manifest various potencies in this cosmic manifestation. You are the Supreme Soul and the Highest Godhead. (Here,only for Shiva, the word Parabrahman is used,which is beyond someone's understanding & at the same time he is very secret & the Supreme Soul too)
SB 8.7.25:O lord shiva, you are the original source of Vedic literature. You are the original cause of entire creation, the life force, senses,the five elements,the three qualities(tamo,sato&rajo), and the mahattattva. You are eternal time, determination and two religious systems called truth & truthfulness. You are a refuge of the syllable OM, which consists of three letters a-u-m.
SB 8.7.26:O Father of all planets, scholars know that fire is your mouth, the surface of the earth is your lotus feet, eternal time is your movement, all sides are your ears, and Varuṇa, the ruler of waters, is your language. (Again ,this verse is only for SHIVA ,therefore, he is called Viswanatha=lord of the universe which equates to Jaganatha , but difference is only one which is "among the 11 RUDRAS, Vaudeva Sri Krishna is only Sankara.He is not Shiva. If he is Shiva,then all should accept that Sri Krishna is also yogurt.)
SB 8.7.27:O Lord, sky is your navel, the air is your breathing, the sun is your eyes and your seed is water. You are the refuge of all living beings, both developed and low. The God of the Moon is your mind and the upper planetary system is your head.
SB 8.7.28:O Lord, you are the three Vedas personified. Seven seas is are your abdomen, and the mountains are your bones. All drugs, creepers and plants are hairs on your body, Vedic mantras such as Gāyatrī are the seven components of your body, and the Vedic religious system is the core of your heart.
SB 8.7.29:O Lord, the Vedas are represented by your five faces, from which the thirty-eight most famous Vedic mantras have been generated. Your Lordship, being celebrated as Lord Śiva, is self-illuminated. You are directly situated as the Highest and the Supreme truth, known as Paramātmā.
SB 8.7.30:O Lord, your shadow is seen in irreligion,which brings about varieties of irreligious creations. The three qualities of nature - sato, rajo and tamo - are your three eyes. All Vedic lyrics, full of verses, come from you because their creators wrote different scriptures after you looked at them with your eyes.
and now the final sloka
SB 8.7.31: O Lord Girisa, since You are Para Brahman which is transcendental to the material modes of goodness, passion and ignorance, the various directors of this material world certainly cannot appreciate it or even know where it is. It is not understandable even to Lord Brahmā, Lord Viṣṇu or the King of heaven, Mahendra.
Also, in the Lanka Kaanda, when Lord Rama establishes the Rameshwaram Shiva Linga and WORSHIPS LORD SHIVA before proceeding on to the battle.
Lord Rama declares that – “If a person degrades lord Shiva and calls himself My devotee; and if a person degrades me and calls himself Shiva devotee, THEN THAT PERSON IS A FOOL, HELL-RESIDER AND POOR-MINDED.”
The SAME LINE is told by Lord Shiva to king Daksha in SHIVA MAHA PURANA after he got the Goat Head that "Hey Daksha ! if a Vishnu devotee degrades me and if a Shiva devotee degrades lord Vishnu, then BOTH THESE TYPE OF DEVOTEES will automatically get all the ‘curses’ that have been given to you and these types of devotees will remain devoid of tattva gyaan i.e. the highest spiritual knowledge
prabhuji,when i replied on the question worshiping other God, i wrote "God is worshipping God and God is increasing the importance of other God/Goddess" and when you replied you wrote that "God is Vishnu,and other are DemiGods"
i hope you understood what kind of knowledge i possess and what kind of knowledge you possess..
still if you feel pleasure in calling shiva a demigod/minor god like Daksha PrajaPati, then you are free to call it ,no one will prevent you but one thing you should remember its results would be very worse as said by one of the real krishna devotee Mr VJ Singh prabhuji..
(also,don't reply me now & then,i m requesting you,don't reply me ,if u r really the true devotee of krishna)
Mr Vijendra aka Mr VJ singh,please stop blowing your own trumpet.This forum has been very nicely maintained by devotees for some relevant discussions concerning sadhna bhakti and not for arguing based on self concocted philosophy.
Anybody can find quotes here and there and quote them out of context to twist the real purpose and meaning of some sloka or some conversation.Yes you can even do so using "authorized" database like vedabase too.
The points contrary to gaudiya vaishnava tradition or in other words your points contrary to Srila praphupada teachings will neither resonate nor change anything here.
I had much to say but looking at your discussions with other devotees,it seems that whatever i say will fall on deaf ears.
Hk prabhuji,
prabhuji, with all due respect....i have some knowledge of worshipping Gods other than Krishna and quiet frankly with you,there is no problem in worshipping other Gods....yes,very true....even Lord Krishna worshiped other Gods like Lord Ganesha and His Father Lord Shiva too where Krishna established Shiva Lingam in Vrindavan,...also both ParshuRama and Rama worshipped Lord Shiva where Lord ParshuRama mediated on Shiva for years to get the Blazing Axe so that to kill all adharmic kings ;while Lord Rama established Shiva Lingam in Rammeshwaram so that to get the boon from Shiva to win by killing His great devotee Ravana,similarly Lord Krishna encouraged Pandavas to worship Lord Shiva & His Shakti in the form of Durga,so that to get the boon of winning MahaBharata War and ruling the entire world...also in Kalki Purana of previous age of KaliYuga,it's clearly mentioned Lord Kalki worshipped Lord Shiva to get the blazing RatnaMaru Sword and Devadutta horse to kill all the melechas and corrupt kings for ruling the entire world...
therefore, who are we to say that other God should not be worshipped when God is worshipping God ,and increasing the importance of worshipping other God..
but for a true devotee or a bhakta, his Deity is Supreme, for example Mirabai who refused to worship Maa Bhavani, not bcoz Maa Bhavani is not worshippable, but only bcoz she had assumed Krishna as her husband in very young age and only worthy for worshipping...
but Devi Sita and Devi Rukamani worshipped Maa Bhavani...even Gopis worshipped Maa Bhavani in form of Maa Katayani so that they got Ghirdhar Gopala...as Pati....
Also, it is Lord Rama who said to Hanumanji that you would be worshipped in Kaliyuga....therefore in Kaliyuga, Saint tulsidasji increased the importance of worshipping Hanumanji by writing Hanuman Chalisa, Sunderkand, and BajrangBan , and those who recite any one of these texts , they after death would go to Vaikuntha loka.......( other than that Hanuman Chalisa is always recited to call Hanumanji before SrimadBhagwatam or Ramayan is started anywhere in the world)
also, Krishna said to Yogamaya,that in KaliYuga, you would be worshipped as Goddess..... similarly, Lord Rama said to MahaMaya Vaishno Devi, that you would also be worshipped as Goddess in both Dwapar & KaliYuga...and those who whole heartedly worship you and come to you at Katra,J&K, they would get moksha easily ,and come to my abode Vaikuntaloka...
so prabhuji,please tell how can many Hindus be authorised that they are doing offence worshipping other God/Goddess other than Rama/Krishna , when Rama/Krishna Himself is increasing the importance of worshipping other God/Goddess ?
Krishna Was A God Who did take a physical birth. One of the Few, in fact!
Chanting is a humen Service extraordinary. As it removes the binding & restarting effects of identifying to-much, with mundane levels energies such as wickedNess evilness & Fear.
By our Own accord we can Minister to the public at larg, or be as exclusive & specific as we choose, withOut limitation, that is to say perfection in- great part, is as is "The Gteater Good" not known for supporting darker intentions.
Or energies.
Fear is not a-Regulating principle!
Actually fear can be vanquished from the
gloryus heart & Should be. Shivering is a waste/lose and waste of energies.
KalliMah is Venerated by all.
Pitty the Preacher who forgeries that upon Her 1st. Appearing (All)* of the God's Shared their formost weapons to Her & that She acts as the Supreme protector of the spiritual-& material realms of God. At once*
By throating creating frustrations & temptations & by begiling with all manner of Mahnah* In-deed She has been fully Empowered by God Him self to do so. Meaning She is Just as powerful & admirable as any being can become (in the Posesing of everyWepon Charming & devoted to Her Head-God Dorka is beyond perfected She is Impowered with the binnadict/impower even the Great DmiGods. It is safe to say*She too is a GodHead.