I am new to this, is Krishna God like the God the Christians and Jews worship? Is Krishna just another word for God?
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David
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I am new to this, is Krishna God like the God the Christians and Jews worship? Is Krishna just another word for God?
Thanks
David
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Yes, that is true because everything exists within Consciousness. Brahman is Universal Consciousness. The Universe is the creative divine play of God. The Universal Form is the perfect example of this because everything is found within it. God is both manifest and unmanifest. Ultimately, no one can know God but God because there isn't a second entity to objectify God. God is both the subject/object and that which is beyond. Only through God's grace does a devotee/yogi or jnani attain realization. All forms of knowledge, all methods of yoga, bhakti etc, all of these depend on God. When one is truly sincere in the path they have chosen, God through his infinite grace and mercy leads one to the truth as it is.
Hare Krsna
What is true is the existence of supreme brahman in formless state which is described by you. But what is false is - that formless brahman is the origin of Supreme personality of Brahman - Krsna.
Krsna is the origin of the formless brahman as stated in BG 14.27. The personality of godhead Krsna is the highest manifestation of Supreme brahman.
Ultimately, no one can know God but God because there isn't a second entity to objectify God
This is incomplete understanding.
There are innumerable entities. Living entities - that are simultaneously one and different but dependent on supreme personality godhead Krsna. This is the complete understanding given in BG by Krsna.
The concept of considering everything as only one is mayavada which is at best incomplete and incorrect.
Hare Krsna
Where did i say they were not dependant on the Lord? where in the universal form is there room or space for anything outside of Krishna? If u cannot stand outside of the Lord, where is there space to objectify? The different entities you speak of are found in the different parts of the Lord's form, they have residence in different areas of that form so you are incorrect in assuming that the universe is anything but the play of the energies of the Lord. The Lord and his energy are 1, not 2 different entities. Radha is the energy of the Lord, she is not different than Krishna, Krishna through the agency of his energy manifests this universe.
Hare Krsna
Where in the universal form is there room or space for anything outside of Krishna?
There is no space for anything outside of impersonal manifestation of Krsna.
If u cannot stand outside of the Lord, where is there space to objectify?
Why is it required to stand outside of the lord to render service to the lord ?
The personality of Lord is the object of service while the servant is situated within the impersonal manifestation of the same personality - Krsna.
This can be understood from the verse BG 9.4
mayā tatam idaṁ sarvaṁ
jagad avyakta-mūrtinā
mat-sthāni sarva-bhūtāni
na cāhaṁ teṣv avasthitaḥ
By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in them.
Here Krsna clearly says that by His unmanifested form, he is present everywhere. All the beings are in Him. Further he says that the personality of Krsna is not in them.
So there is a distinction of them which is different from the personality of Krsna (Krsna says aham referring to His personality) while they are situated in impersonal manifestation(avyakta murtinah)
That is the whole crux acintya-bheda-abheda philosophy which says that Krsna and His energies are simultaneously one and different from Krsna's personality in an inconceivable manner always.
This is opposed to the incorrect mayavada philosophy where in the mayavada consider that everything is one only and manifestations are temporary finally merging into formless state.
Radha is the energy of the Lord, she is not different than Krishna
This is incomplete. Radha is the supreme potency of Krsna. She is not separate from Krsna. At the same time she is also different from Krsna. She is pleasure potency of Krsna and Krsna reciprocates with her. So it is not one like in the formless manifestation of brahman effulgence. It is variegated but one in spirit.
There is evidence of this given in BG 15th Chap
There are two classes of beings, the fallible and the infallible. In the material world every living entity is fallible, and in the spiritual world every living entity is called infallible.(15.16)
uttamaḥ puruṣas tv anyaḥ
paramātmety udāhṛtaḥ
yo loka-trayam āviśya
bibharty avyaya īśvaraḥ
Besides these two, there is the greatest living personality, the Supreme Soul, the imperishable Lord Himself, who has entered the three worlds and is maintaining them.(15.17)
Here Krsna uses the word anayh which distinguishes the personality of godhead from the fallible and infallible classes of beings mentioned in previous verse. By this He distinguishes personality is the Paramatma - Supreme Personalty of godhead who reciprocates with the infallible living entities in the spiritual world.
Srila Prabhupada explains in purport of 15.16 "Oneness does not mean that they have no individuality, but that there is no disunity."
So when it is said lord and His energies are one , it is true but incomplete.
When it is said lord and His energies are not 2 different entities it is false.
When it is said lord and His energies are are different entities it is true but incomplete.
When it is said lord and His energies are one and different it is true and complete.
You are incorrect in assuming that the universe is anything but the play of the energies of the Lord.
Universe or cosmic manifestation is by the play of energies. But there is something that is driving the inter-play of energies - that is experience or service and reciprocation between living entities and Krsna.
Hare Krsna
Hare Krsna
But Krishna was referring to his original superior state (the unmanifested, incomprehensible, eternal state of Brahman).
These are the words of a mayavadi. Krsna the original supreme personality of God. Krsna doesnt have any other "original superior state"
īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ
sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ
anādir ādir govindaḥ
sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam
Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes.
Krsna the supreme personality of godhead in BG 14.27 clearly says that Krsna is the basis of Brahman
brahmaṇo hi pratiṣṭhāham
amṛtasyāvyayasya ca
śāśvatasya ca dharmasya
sukhasyaikāntikasya ca
And I am the basis of the impersonal Brahman, which is immortal, imperishable and eternal and is the constitutional position of ultimate happiness.
Considering Brahman as Krsna's original superior state is mayavada philosophy which was vanquished by Srila Prabhupada
Param Vijayate Sri Krsna Sankirtanam
yes, all the attributes and qualities mentioned abt god in bible and quran, are also mentioned in gita and even much more are mentioned. So, that unknown god referred to in bible and quran is undoubtedly lord krishna only. But the point is, will the pure dedicated followers of christ and muhammad reach the supreme planet of krishna, because they dont know that the god they are worshipping is lord krishna?
First of all, God cannot be seen, since his actual "Brahman" state is void of any form. This is the state in which the christians , jews and moslems worship him. And yet if GOD wishes, he can take innumerable forms and reveal Himself to his dear devotees , in a physical bodily form , by lifting the veil of illusion (maya).
Read my comment below where i have provided scriptural verses from Vedas, Upanishads.
Hare Krsna
First of all, God cannot be seen
This is false.
premāñjana-cchurita-bhakti-vilocanena
santaḥ sadaiva hṛdayeṣu vilokayanti
yaṁ śyāmasundaram acintya-guṇa-svarūpaṁ
govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
I worship Govinda, the primeval Lord, who is Śyāmasundara, Kṛṣṇa Himself with inconceivable innumerable attributes, whom the pure devotees see in their heart of hearts with the eye of devotion tinged with the salve of love. (Brahma samhita 5.38)
since his actual "Brahman" state is void of any form.
This is false
Krsna is the actual original personality.
īśvaraḥ paramaḥ kṛṣṇaḥ
sac-cid-ānanda-vigrahaḥ
anādir ādir govindaḥ
sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam
Kṛṣṇa who is known as Govinda is the Supreme Godhead. He has an eternal blissful spiritual body. He is the origin of all. He has no other origin and He is the prime cause of all causes. ( brahma samhita 5.1)
Now I know you cannot refute the above so will reject Brahma samhita as something less important. Basically any scriptural evidence given against you mayavada philisophy will be turned down. That is the problem with you mayavadis.
Param Vijayate Sri Krsna Sankirtanam
The only authoritative texts are Vedas & Upanishads (sruti). Not Brahma Samhita.
Not even the genuine vaishnavism sect follows Brahma Samhita. They rely on Vishnu Purana, where the manifested aspect of Brahman, Vishnu is praised.
Hare Krsna
Not even the genuine vaishnavism sect follows Brahma Samhita.
This is false. Lord Brahma is the author of Brahma samhita. He is original acarya of Brahma Sampradaya which is a vaishnava sampradaya in which Narada, Vyasa deva, Madhavcarya etc have revealed the supremacy of personal feature of Krsna over formless brahman feature.
The only authoritative texts are Vedas & Upanishads (sruti). Not Brahma Samhita.
This is false
All vedic literature are in complete agreement. Cherry picking only some aspects of vedic literature is the speciality of mayavadis. But All vedic literature reconcile on the truth that Krsna is the original supreme personality of godhead and the origin of formless brahman and also origin of Visnu
Hare Krsna
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