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Importance of Guru in Krishna Consiousness

Hare Krishna to all Matajis, Prabhujis & Devotees

There are so many devotees on ISKCON DESIRE TREE who are very new and even old also on ISKCON DESIRE TREE,  who actually are not aware of the Importance of Guru in Krishna Consciousness so kindly all Vaishnav and Dr. Devotees kindly put the light on the importance of Guru in Krishna Consciousness.

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Your Humble Servant

Bhuwan Dutt Bawari 

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  • The Spiritual Master is non-different from the Lord and He is the Lord in flesh and blood!!

    Read this article for more enlightenment..

  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna

    Do u accept all purports given by Srila prabhupad unto Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam(and other vaishnav scriptures) equivalent to Bhagavatam or god ? Yes or NO

    Hare Krsna

  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna

  • Dean Prabhu: Yeah, but point out one "real devotee" who did not accept a spiritual master? On one hand you say Bhagavatam is: transcendental  nectar flowing from the lips of  sri shukadeva goswami. But you ignore the verses that underline the importance of guru and the need for accpeting one, like

    SB 11.3.21:

    Translation:

    Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.

  • Dean Prabhu: I have previously refuted your arguement based on SB 1.1.2, where you highlighted in bold the phrase :is sufficient in itself for God realization. Yes Bhagavtam is sufficient, but we must take shelter of all the verses in it, not just pick and choose whatever we want.

    SB 11.3.21

    tasmad gurum prapadyeta

    jijnasuh sreya uttamam

    sabde pare ca nishnatam

    brahmany upasamasrayam

    Translation:

    Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.

    So if you truly claim to be a follower/worshipper/devotee of only Srimad Bhagavatam and nothing else, then accept the above verse also, which is in Bhagavatam. If you ignore this verse then your claim is whimsical and a figment of your imagination.

  • Dean Prabhu: You highlighted in bold the following phrases from SB 12.13.11-12  "give ecstasy to the saintly devotees and demigods".

    But can you think of one saintly devotee mentioned in Srimad Bhagavatam who did not accept a guru and became perfect on their own by their own efforts? If these highly intelligent people from previous yugas themselves, had to seek shelter of a devotee then how can we deny the need for a spiritual  preceptor? 

    The other verses you quoted do not refute the need for accepting a Spiritual master. 

  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna

    Srila Prabhupad ki Jay !

  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna

    If that's what Vaishnav acaryas had thought, there wouldn't have been anyone of us in these forums. If there is talk about srimad bhagavatam anywhere it is due to kind compassion of Srila Prabhupad and other vaishnav acaryas. Without such person bhagavatams living entities suffer in material world.

    The view of vaishnav acaryas in line of lord chaitanya is not to see universe as useless, but to see it as opportunity to take conditioned souls back to godhead. If one has no gratitude to such vaishnavas preaching the glories of bhagavatam and holy name, it is sad.

    Hare Krsna

    • Hare Krsna Bharat Pr,

      Thank you for your nice and encouraging reply. I feels good to receive support when we are trying to make a point. You are right, some people cannot be convinced no matter what, that is why the only thing left to do, is to continuously and relentlessly refute their baseless, whimsical arguments, so that they do not mislead sincere devotees. 

      That is what I have been trying to do, I have previously given counter arguments to everything Dean Prabhu brought up, and this thread became dormant, but suddenly somebody comments and it becomes active again and he brings up the same old points once more? What logic is this? Therefore, the only recourse I see is to keep untiringly attacking their claims, so that they may not corrupt the views of the sincere seekers. 

      • Sevak

        Hare Krsna

        Thats true. If one is logical and open minded it makes sense to discuss. 

        Here it is like

        We say Guru is required.

        Someone says Bhagavatam is important.

        We say Thats great but that doesn't say if Guru is required or not

        Someone says Bhagavatam is good

        We say Bhagavatam is great but it must be heard from guru

        Someone says Bhagavatam is ecstatic

        We say - This is a thread about importance of guru. If you are not acknowledging importance of guru, then you are saying guru is not important. Lets talk when you gather the guts to say it explicitly.

        Haribol

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