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There are so many devotees on ISKCON DESIRE TREE who are very new and even old also on ISKCON DESIRE TREE,  who actually are not aware of the Importance of Guru in Krishna Consciousness so kindly all Vaishnav and Dr. Devotees kindly put the light on the importance of Guru in Krishna Consciousness.

Hare Krishna

Your Humble Servant

Bhuwan Dutt Bawari 

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Thank yo very much

Dear All Devotees Dandvat!!!!!!!!!!! PAMHO!!!!!!!! AGTSP!!!!!!!!!! Radhey! Radhey! Thanks for all your opinion on this blog. Kindly other devotees also share their view on this so that it could be more clarify.

Aakash Prabhuji kindly do not take the Dean Prabhuji's explanation through other way because if you really want to know Lord Krishna and want to be his pure devotee then you need to accept a bonafide spritual master without that you can not see the Lord and you can not understand the ultimate power of Lord.

 In case you still have some hesitation to accept a bonafide spritual master then you can accep Sri Mad Bhagwad Gita or Sri Mad Bhagwatam as a bonafide spritual Master.

Since Sri Bhagwad Gita said by Lord Krishna himself and Sri Mad Bhagwatam recite by Ved Vyasa then both of them can be consider as a bonafide spritual master but make sure that you have accept all the instruction as it is mention in them but after all you can become the pure devotee of the Lord by sincerly serving the devotees of the Lord.

Your Humble Servant

Bhuwan Dutt Bawari

Hare Krishna

With a medical book you can't be a surgeon, it need practical lessons, if it's so, spiritual knowledge is more in need of a guide.

to think that krishna will guide always and no guru is needed is unauthentic,if its so why to preach!why gita!why guru!why iskcon itself! can we imagine that cannibals and uncivilized people will become god conscious without having a guru!why not we use mundane examples to make a point clear!

We have srila prabhupada as our eternal siksha guru and his disciples as diksha gurus and siksha gurus.iskcon is here to guide us and devotees who coming under this parampara to help us to understand transcendental topics.merely some Sanskrit knowledge or having some books make none a spiritual master or authority and if someone Poses as devotee and blasfaming bonafied gurus he is a demon as guru is good as god.

The vedic literatures are like a huge pharmacy containing different prescriptions (ways and means for moksha)for different persons of different aptitute. A guru is the one who is the confidential servant of the supreme lord and sent by him for that fortunate soul who filters and prescribes the best path suitable for a jivatma who is very anxious to attain the lord. Without a Sri Guru; a candidate is sure to get bewildered in the spiritual journey on the way back home back to godhead.


The discussion was about the necessity of accepting a guru, where did illness and disease of sadhus come into the picture, kindly clarify why you posted the previous verses.

Yes a devotees 'suffering' is apparent. As long as we have the material body sufferings keep coming. Simply by seeing someone undergo material tribulations we cannot discard them as not being a sadhu. Because even though to the mundane eye it looks like suffering the devotees are not truly affected by them. For instance Srila Prabhupada suffered two heart attacks on board Jaladuta when he was travelling to US for the first time. But if it were not for him you and I wouldn't be quoting from the Bhagavatam in previous answers. 

So it is wrong to conclude that only a person who maintains high health standards are real sadhus and others bogus. Thus is why we need to gurus so that we may not make wrongful conclusions simply by reading sastra.

Yes sadhus do not suffer material miseries, but we should not take only the external aspect of it into consideration. To the outer vision they may look sick but internally they are not subject to any suffering, because of their position of being a devotee. 

Even during the time of Caitanya Mahaprabhu, Srila Sanatana Gosvami got boils all over his body but nevertheless he remained an exalted sadhu.

Therefore kindly discard this line of argument for gauging a devotee's purity by externally evaluating his sufferings, we have no clue what is going on inside.

So even if we see some senior ISKCON devotees suffering they are still completely eligible to give us spiritual guidance and diksha. We cannot say since he has got so and so disease externally he is not a sadhu.

Guru is the conduit who connects the finite to the infinite. A guru may appear to be a physical person but actually he is the direct representative of the Guru Tattva or the principle that is universal which guides the seeker to the final destination of the living entity.


SB 12.3.32 — Cities will be dominated by thieves, the Vedas will be contaminated by speculative interpretations of atheists, political leaders will virtually consume the citizens, and the so-called priests and intellectuals will be devotees of their bellies and genitals.
SB 12.3.33 — The brahmacārīs will fail to execute their vows and become generally unclean, the householders will become beggars, the vānaprasthas will live in the villages, and the sannyāsīs will become greedy for wealth.
SB 12.3.38 — Uncultured men will accept charity on behalf of the Lord and will earn their livelihood by making a show of austerity and wearing a mendicant’s dress. Those who know nothing about religion will mount a high seat and presume to speak on religious principles.
SB 12.3.46 — If a person hears about, glorifies, meditates upon, worships or simply offers great respect to the Supreme Lord, who is situated within the heart, the Lord will remove from his mind the contamination accumulated during many thousands of lifetimes.
Hare Krsna. Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Sri Guru and Gauranga! All glories to Prabhupad!

Gu means darkness and ru means brightness or knowledge. The person who helps us to overcome the ignorance of darkness and bring us to the light of knowledge, he is called guru. It is said in Padma purana, that the guru by his power and devotion is capable of rendering a person absolute knowledge and purify him.
And lord Sri Krsna instructs in Bhagawad Gita, if you want to come to Me, if you want to know about Me, first of all go to a bonafide Guru. And if you don't approach a spiritual master and try to learn scriptures like Gita own your own then all your  efforts will prove to be futile.

HG Sriman Sankarshan Das Maharaj explains that "in Krishna consciousness we have a tripod, the three basic legs of bhakti that will solidly situate you on the spiritual platform. They are described as follow by Srila Prabhupada in Chapter Six of the Nectar of Devotion:
(1) Accepting the shelter of the lotus feet of a bona fide spiritual master.
(2) Becoming initiated by the spiritual master and learning how to discharge devotional service from him.
(3) Obeying the orders of the spiritual master with faith and devotion.
All the other items of bhakti are automatically included in these three principles. So if you will simply take shelter of the spiritual master, get initiated by him and always obey him, you will quickly and easily be elevated to the transcendental platform of pure devotional service. In other words, Lord Sri Krishna will become your property"
So in simple words we cannot be liberated from material bandage without the mercy of our spiritual master.
 Even if you cannot undergo a formal ceremony, if the spiritual master accepts you and you follow his instructions, that’s initiation. Srila Prahbupada did not get formally initiated until after twelve years after accepting his spiritual master, yet he says from the first meeting, the actual initiation took place, as he accepted his spiritual master within his heart and his instructions as his life and soul. 

I however have no knowledge. I just made an insignificant attempt to answer and shared what I have learnt from senior devotees. Forgive for any offense.


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