Hare Krishna to all Matajis, Prabhujis & Devotees
There are so many devotees on ISKCON DESIRE TREE who are very new and even old also on ISKCON DESIRE TREE, who actually are not aware of the Importance of Guru in Krishna Consciousness so kindly all Vaishnav and Dr. Devotees kindly put the light on the importance of Guru in Krishna Consciousness.
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Your Humble Servant
Bhuwan Dutt Bawari
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The importance of a guru in Krishna consciousness cannot be overstated. The guru is one who has realized the truth of the scriptures and can impart that knowledge to the disciple. As stated in the Srimad Bhagavatam, "tad-vijnanartham sa gurum evabhigacchet: one must approach a guru to learn that transcendental knowledge" (SB 11.3.21). The guru is not an ordinary person, but a representative of God, who can guide the disciple on the path of spiritual realization.
It is important to understand that the guru-disciple relationship is not a formality, but a deep and personal connection. The disciple must have faith in the guru and follow his instructions with sincerity and devotion. As Lord Caitanya states, "yare dekha, tare kaha 'krsna'-upadesa: whoever you meet, instruct him in the teachings of Krishna" (Cc. Madhya 7.128). The guru is one who can give us the proper understanding of Krishna's teachings and guide us on the path of devotional service.
Therefore, it is essential for all devotees, new and old, to understand the importance of the guru in Krishna consciousness. We must seek out a bona fide guru and surrender to him with humility and devotion. As Srila Prabhupada says, "The guru is the transparent medium through which the grace of Krishna is transmitted to the disciple" (Teachings of Lord Kapila, the Son of Devahuti). Let us all strive to develop a deep and meaningful relationship with our guru and advance on the path of Krishna consciousness.
The Spiritual Master is non-different from the Lord and He is the Lord in flesh and blood!!
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Do u accept all purports given by Srila prabhupad unto Bhagavad Gita, Srimad Bhagavatam(and other vaishnav scriptures) equivalent to Bhagavatam or god ? Yes or NO
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Dean Prabhu: Yeah, but point out one "real devotee" who did not accept a spiritual master? On one hand you say Bhagavatam is: transcendental nectar flowing from the lips of sri shukadeva goswami. But you ignore the verses that underline the importance of guru and the need for accpeting one, like
SB 11.3.21:
Translation:
Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.
Dean Prabhu: I have previously refuted your arguement based on SB 1.1.2, where you highlighted in bold the phrase :is sufficient in itself for God realization. Yes Bhagavtam is sufficient, but we must take shelter of all the verses in it, not just pick and choose whatever we want.
SB 11.3.21
tasmad gurum prapadyeta
jijnasuh sreya uttamam
sabde pare ca nishnatam
brahmany upasamasrayam
Translation:
Therefore any person who seriously desires real happiness must seek a bona fide spiritual master and take shelter of him by initiation. The qualification of the bona fide guru is that he has realized the conclusions of the scriptures by deliberation and is able to convince others of these conclusions. Such great personalities, who have taken shelter of the Supreme Godhead, leaving aside all material considerations, should be understood to be bona fide spiritual masters.
So if you truly claim to be a follower/worshipper/devotee of only Srimad Bhagavatam and nothing else, then accept the above verse also, which is in Bhagavatam. If you ignore this verse then your claim is whimsical and a figment of your imagination.
Dean Prabhu: You highlighted in bold the following phrases from SB 12.13.11-12 "give ecstasy to the saintly devotees and demigods".
But can you think of one saintly devotee mentioned in Srimad Bhagavatam who did not accept a guru and became perfect on their own by their own efforts? If these highly intelligent people from previous yugas themselves, had to seek shelter of a devotee then how can we deny the need for a spiritual preceptor?
The other verses you quoted do not refute the need for accepting a Spiritual master.
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Srila Prabhupad ki Jay !
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If that's what Vaishnav acaryas had thought, there wouldn't have been anyone of us in these forums. If there is talk about srimad bhagavatam anywhere it is due to kind compassion of Srila Prabhupad and other vaishnav acaryas. Without such person bhagavatams living entities suffer in material world.
The view of vaishnav acaryas in line of lord chaitanya is not to see universe as useless, but to see it as opportunity to take conditioned souls back to godhead. If one has no gratitude to such vaishnavas preaching the glories of bhagavatam and holy name, it is sad.
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Hare Krsna Bharat Pr,
Thank you for your nice and encouraging reply. I feels good to receive support when we are trying to make a point. You are right, some people cannot be convinced no matter what, that is why the only thing left to do, is to continuously and relentlessly refute their baseless, whimsical arguments, so that they do not mislead sincere devotees.
That is what I have been trying to do, I have previously given counter arguments to everything Dean Prabhu brought up, and this thread became dormant, but suddenly somebody comments and it becomes active again and he brings up the same old points once more? What logic is this? Therefore, the only recourse I see is to keep untiringly attacking their claims, so that they may not corrupt the views of the sincere seekers.
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