Hare Krishna to all.
PAMHO
AGTSP
There are five primary rasas in which a soul can enjoy relationship with Krishna (Santa, Dasya, Sakhya, Vatsalya and Madhurya), but in Vatsalya ras, Mother Yashoda and Nanda Maharaj, reign supreme. My question is that lot of devotees feel vatsalya ras towards Krishna and even I want to enjoy my relation with Krishna in paternal love and would love to hold Him as a baby but Mother Yashoda and Nanda Maharaj are already in that position. So how can other devotees having same feelings fulfill their desire of vatsalya ras towards Krishna as there cannot be another Yashoda maiya or Nanda Maharaj. Please don't get me wrong here. I am not in competition with Yashoda maiya or Nanda Maharaj. That would be sinful. But I really feel attracted to the baby form of Krishna. Please guide.
Your Servant,
Avinash G.
Jai Shree Krishna.
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Hare Krishna Prabhuji.
I do not know what anger you have towards me. But if I annoy you so much, then just ignore my questions and don't reply to me. Simple.
Nobody had a problem here with my question except you. Who asked you to poke your nose in between. As far as I remember I didn't ask you to poke your nose. if you dont like my questions, just ignore them. Simple solution. I am also being real. Giving you real practical solutions to ignore my questions and utilise your time in other useful things rather than talk to a stupid person like me.
I will continue to ask questions in this forum whether you like it or not. You cannot boss me over. Please do not communicate with me. I hope I am clear, and yes you are not being fake thanks for that.
I choose to ignore you, I am not interested in talking with you. Just dont communicate with me. I dont like you
Hare Krishna Prabhuji
Why are you so angry with me?.
Hare Krishna Prabhuji
I will only read posts in this forum and books. I'm not going to trouble anyone here anymore. Please forgive me.
Your Servant,
Avinash G.
Jai Shri Krishna.
Hare Krsna
How to fulfill desire for this particular rasa?
This is is never a concen for a devotee. For pure devotees, the internal poteny of Sri Krsna arranges for this. For not pure devotees, rasa is out of question. Rasa is not just emotions. It is a very very high stage beyond bhava. In most cases we are very far from that stage. Our focus should be chanting the hare Krsna maha mantra regularly, and paying attention to the sound vibration of the mantra avoiding offenses.
Hare Krsna
I really feel naturally attracted to Krishna in His baby form. Please don't underestimate my emotions for Krishna. I'm not a pure soul, I agree. But please don't belittle my feelings for Krishna
Hare Krishna Prabhuji.
Can you please clarify when you said that not pure devotees. Are we not pure devotees?. Do you mean to say that I'm pretending emotions for Krishna. I'm very hurt by your statement. Please clarify Prabhuji.
Hare Krsna
But please don't belittle my feelings for Krishna
That was certainly not my intentions. Please forgive me if you felt so. I just meant that the term "rasa" cannot be applied ordinarily. Srila Prabhupada gives the following understanding about "rasa" from Nectar of devotion.
Bhakti-rasa is a mellow different from the ordinary rasaenjoyed by mundane workers. Mundane workers labor very hard day and night in order to relish a certain kind of rasa, which is understood as sense gratification. The relish or taste of the mundane rasa does not long endure
Bhakti-rasa, however, the mellow relished in the transcendental loving service of the Lord, does not finish with the end of life. It continues perpetually and is therefore called amṛta
Can you please clarify when you said that not pure devotees ?
The following is definition of pure devotional service given by Rupa Gosvami
anyābhilāṣitā-śūnyaṁ
jñāna-karmādy-anāvṛtam
ānukūlyena kṛṣṇānu-
śīlanaṁ bhaktir uttamā
One should render transcendental loving service to the Supreme Lord Kṛṣṇa favorably and without desire for material profit or gain through fruitive activities or philosophical speculation. That is called pure devotional service. Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu (1.1.11)
So as per the above definition, pure devotion is 100% free from even slightest material desire to gain something material or speculate. It is a very high stage of Bhakti.
According to the conversation between Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu & Ramananda Raya , the rasa stage ( 5 primaray rasa - Santa, Dasay etc) is beyond the stage of pure devotion.The rasa are transcendental.
Are we not pure devotees?
I can speak for myself that my mind is filled with unlimited material desires of lust, money, prestige, fame etc. I can be certainly NOT categorised as pure devotee.
Do you mean to say that I'm pretending emotions for Krishna. I'm very hurt by your statement. Please clarify Prabhuji.
No, certainly that is NOT what I meant. Please forgive me for hurtng you. It was not my intention.
In general we could see ourselves as Sadhakas or practicing devotees - those who have understood the goal of life as service to Krsna. We have begun the process of Krsna consciousness. But we also acknowledge the material desires within our heart to enjoy. We are in the process of cleansing or heart of material desires by Chanting the holy names of Sri Krsna. We are aspiring to become pure devotees and serve Krsna without any material desire or mental speculation. It is safe to assume that Rasa stage will begin after we have purified ourselves completely.
My intention is not do underestimate anyone's emotion. I was trying to say that unless we have attained the stage of pure devotion, it is better to focus on intensely practicing th eprocess of chanting and hearing the transcendental names of Sri Krsna
Hare Krsna
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