Hare Krishna Prabhuji/Mataji¬†ūüôŹ¬†Dandavat Pranam. Please forgive me if I cause offense with my question. I am chanting 16 rounds Hare Krishna for 1 year now. I just started my 2nd reading of Bhagavad Gita as it is.

To give a summary of my background and childhood, I am a tamilian, my family are Iyer. Since childhood our family has always been very religious and praying to all devatas and I think I have visited almost all temples in the South India. Everyday we play Lalita Sahasranamam and Vishnu Sahasranamam at my home.


In my life I have met many Swamis and Pujaris and people who are spiritually elevated who similarly pray to many devatas and have dedicated their lives in serving the temple and respective devatas.

Some of them have had darshan of Lord Krishna or an Intimate vision of Lord Krishna and even a brief dealing with Lord Krishna. I have had such conversations with those elevated souls.

They do see Krishna as god but on same platform as other devatas. They see Lord Krishna as an avatar of Vishnu and not the other way around.


I was of the impression that Krishna only reciprocates if you completely surrender unto him as the supreme lord. But in India especially in south india you see worship of devatas and worship of Krishna as an avatar of Vishnu also gives people Krishn'a blessings and ultimately to some blessed people even of his Darshan.


How do I understand this? Are such spiritually elevated people also dear to Krishna and go to Goloka if they desire? 

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  • "Swamis and Pujaris and people who are spiritually elevated who similarly pray to many devatas and have dedicated their lives in serving the temple and respective devatas."

    Depends how they understand their position. If they follow sastras, they can't equate devatas and the Lord. Kena Upanisad has a short simple story about their hierarchy.
    Harinama Cintamani speaks about Vaisnava attitude to devatas.

    "Some of them have had darshan of Lord Krishna or an Intimate vision of Lord Krishna and even a brief dealing with Lord Krishna."

    Sri Krisna is free to give darsan to anyone He chooses.
    I heard from one devotee that when she was into physical yoga, before becoming a devotee, one lady from her yoga group told her that Sri Krisna appeared in her dream or meditation (don't remember exactly) and asked her what she is up to. She told Him she still has many issues in the material life. He just smiled and disappeared.

    My understanding is that the Lord looks into our heart and reciprocates to any little trace of sincerity by offering His helping hand.

    Hari Hari
    ys J.

  • Sevak

    HareKrsna

    They see Lord Krishna as an avatar of Vishnu and not the other way around.

    Lord Sri Krsna, Lord Sri Vishnu Lord Sri Rama are each the Supreme Personality of Absolute truth. The difference is of rasa or mood. They are the same person but in different moods. There is no difference in tattva. All three (and other avatars) belong to Vishnu Tattva category.

    dńępńĀrcir eva hi daŇõńĀntaram abhyupetya
    dńępńĀyate vivŠĻõta-hetu-samńĀna-dharmńĀ
    yas tńĀdŠĻõg eva hi ca viŠĻ£ŠĻáutayńĀ vibhńĀti
    govindam ńĀdi-puruŠĻ£aŠĻĀ tam ahaŠĻĀ bhajńĀmi

    The light of one candle being communicated to other candles, although it burns separately in them, is the same in its quality. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda who exhibits Himself equally in the same mobile manner in His various manifestations. (Brahma Samhita 5.46)

    Purport:The majestic manifestation of KŠĻõŠĻ£ŠĻáa is NńĀrńĀyaŠĻáa, Lord of VaikuŠĻáŠĻ≠ha, whose subjective portion is KńĀraŠĻáodakaŇõńĀyńę ViŠĻ£ŠĻáu, the prime cause, whose portion is GarbhodakaŇõńĀyńę. KŠĻ£ńęrodakaŇõńĀyńę is again the subjective portion of GarbhodakaŇõńĀyńę ViŠĻ£ŠĻáu.(Brahma¬†Samhita¬†5.46)

    We should not be too much worried if they consider lord Sri Krsna as avatar of Lord Vishnu.

    They do see Krishna as god but on same platform as other devatas.

    The above understanding is incorrect as per scriptures. 

    goloka-nńĀmni nija-dhńĀmni tale ca tasya
    devi maheŇõa-hari-dhńĀmasu teŠĻ£u teŠĻ£u
    te te prabhńĀva-nicayńĀ vihitńĀŇõ ca yena
    govindam ńĀdi-puruŠĻ£aŠĻĀ tam ahaŠĻĀ bhajńĀmi

    Lowest of all is located Devńę-dhńĀma [mundane world], next above it is MaheŇõa-dhńĀma [abode of MaheŇõa]; above MaheŇõa-dhńĀma is placed Hari-dhńĀma [abode of Hari] and above them all is located KŠĻõŠĻ£ŠĻáa's own realm named Goloka. I adore the primeval Lord Govinda, who has allotted their respective authorities to the rulers of those graded realms.(Brahma¬†Samhita¬†5.43)

    Lord Brahma himself has stated the above Shloka. 

    All demigods( Surya, Chandra, Indra, Saptarshi ,Ptris etc ) upto Lord Brahma are within Devi Dhama or this material world. All demigods have a finite lifespan or they die. Material world is destroyed eventually and recreated. 

    Lord Sada Shiva has his own an above Devi-Dhama. Lord Shiva does not die. He destroys the Devi Dhama at some point in time.

    Lord Vishnu has His eternal Hari-Dhama or Vaikuntha. It is beyond time and material world. Nobody dies in Viakuntha.

    Lord Sri Krsna has the topmost abode of Goloka Dhama. This is higher than Vaikuntha. Even residents of Vaikuntha cannot enter Goloka.

    Anyone who sees demigods on same level as Sri Krsna does not have correct understanding. I would be highly concerned in accepting in any teachings from them, because their understanding is not as per scriptures. 

    I was of the impression that Krishna only reciprocates if you completely surrender unto him as the supreme lord. 

    Lord Sri Krsna reciproctes with each one as they approach Him

    ye yathńĀ mńĀŠĻĀ prapadyante
    tńĀŠĻĀs tathaiva bhajńĀmy aham
    mama vartmńĀnuvartante
    manuŠĻ£yńĀŠł• pńĀrtha sarvaŇõaŠł•

    As all surrender unto Me, I reward them accordingly. Everyone follows My path in all respects, O son of PŠĻõthńĀ.¬†(BG¬†4.11)

    The way an individual approaches Sri Krsna, Sri Krsna reciprocates with them. HiranyaKashipu wanted to kill Lord Vishnu, so Sri Vishnu in form of Sri Narasimha, killed him. Dhruva wanted a great kingdom, so Sri Vishnu gave him. Demons wanted to steal away amrutha after churning ocean, So Lord Sri Vishnu stole the amrutha from them.

    The only way to enter Goloka Vrindavana is when one gets a special and personal invitation from someone who already lives in Goloka Vrindavana. It is not possible by worship of demigods. It is not possible by worship of Lord Sri Vishnu. Even mother Lakshmi who is a permanent resident of Vaikuntha who worships the feet of Lord Sri Narayana eternally, purely, whole heartedly  does not have free entry into Goloka Vrindavana.

    Hare Krsna

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