Hare Krishna
Arjuna says that the personality of the Lord is very difficult to understand and that He cannot be known even by the great demigods.
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Hare Krishna
Arjuna says that the personality of the Lord is very difficult to understand and that He cannot be known even by the great demigods.
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Hare Krishna Prabhu,
You’re quoting Arjuna nicely, but you seem to have skipped the next part of the Gita where Krishna Himself settles the whole debate:
“Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti” - Only through bhakti can one truly know Me.
So it’s no miracle that some people don’t understand Krishna… even the demigods can’t grasp him without bhakti. What to speak of us tiny humans who haven’t even begun to walk properly on the bhakti-mārga!
Sometimes you speak as if realization comes by mere argument, but Krishna has already said the exact opposite. Without devotion, all this intellectual gymnastics is just jumping around with no landing spot.
If even the devatās get bewildered without bhakti, Prabhu…
what chance does an ordinary human have while proudly refusing to practice it?
Better to drop the ego-weight, pick up the japa-mālā, and then maybe, maybe Sri Krishna will reveal something. Until then, we’re all just guessing in the fog. Hari Hari.
Sometimes you speak as if realization comes by mere argument, but Krishna has already said the exact opposite. Without devotion, all this intellectual gymnastics is just jumping around with no landing spot.
' what chance does an ordinary human have while proudly refusing to practice it ? "
You assume too much
Srila Prabhupada is right. At this point our consiousness is contaminated. This topic is not about discussing lust. It is about purifying the heart from the contamination of lust which is the disease of the heart.
It seems you have added ' Rasleela ' apni marzi se to what I was referring to when I said that Lord satisfied His lust to the utmost degree.
It seems you haven't read Geet Govinda. Vaise even the example of Kubja is quite appropriate in this connection. Even if He went for the uddhaara of Kubja, He satisfied His lust to a certain degree with Kubja and not the utmost degree because Kubja is not Radha who can satisfy His desires completely.
gita govinda mein kya likha hai mai jaanti hoon..
Krishna is not lusty for anything.
pyar se jo bhi deta hai woh lete hai bas.
woh gopiyon ke liye ye sab karte hai
badnaam hogaye aise hi
Lol
I am glad you understand Krishna so nicely.
Isme gopiyon ki bhi koi galti nahi.
They were normally engaged in their household activities and would have continued like that only agar yeh Krishna unke saamne na aata.
because the gopis' prayed to be His wives. ab kya hi karta bechara. sab ki iccha toh poora karna padhega na.
I guess so why would Krishna want to enjoy with kubja at all? Not that I get why lust or sex desire is being referred to in this discussion...
Is that Even possible?
Hare Krishna
" Our consciousness, at the present moment, however, is materially contaminated. The Bhagavad-gita teaches that we have to purify this materially contaminated consciousness. In pure consciousness, our actions will be dovetailed to the will of isvara, and that will make us happy. It is not that we have to cease all activities. Rather, our activities are to be purified, and purified activities are called bhakti. Activities in bhakti appear to be like ordinary activities, but they are not contaminated. An ignorant person may see that a devotee is acting or working like an ordinary man, but such a person with a poor fund of knowledge does not know that the activities of the devotee or of the Lord are not contaminated by impure consciousness or matter. They are transcendental to the three modes of nature. We should know, however, that at this point our consciousness is contaminated. "
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Bhagavad-gita As It Is