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Every scripture says something and say it is authorized, does anyone has seen krishna, allah or god and do we know what actually god want us to do?

Posted by aakash menon on August 15, 2011 at 9:26am in Krishna

Hare Krishna all,

PAMHO....

AGSP

    I have friends who are non devotees and good in nature, if a person is not a devotee is he a karmi ? and it is said we shouldn't associate with them, dont share food with them otherwise we also get effected. We dont know what place they have in krishnas view, then why do some people differentiate them as non-devotees or karmis. I strongly believe in chanting but my heart is not accepting few rules and regulations which practically dont effect us in anyway. I dont know what krishna wants and I do believe that he is interested in our love to him not the knowledge we gained from scriptures. Reading scriptures should bring humility,selfless attitude, and should free us from ego but I had bitter experience with people who are more educated than me in KC. Please forgive me if iam offensive...

 

your servant

aakash

 

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    Mohini Madhavi August 24, 2011 at 6:31pm

    blind - starts to see

      stone-deaf starts to sing

      lame man/woman starts to dance by the mercy of Sri Guru and Lord Gouranga.

    Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita that He IS THE LUSTRE OF  EVERYTHING WHICH SPARKLES WIT.

    we should not think that for me Lord is merciful because i have some qualification for that. Hence He was merciful even to Jagay and Madhay.

     

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    Mohini Madhavi August 20, 2011 at 12:00pm

    Hare Krishna Romit Kelkar Prabu,

    Please accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

    To be a servant of Krishna's Devotee is very fortunate position. by saying "unworthy" i mean that i am not qualified for such like high position.

    Before chanting Hare Krishna i used to chant Allahu ekber!!! :-)

    Always i prayed to Allah to do something and to help me somehow.

    I prayed to Him to do whatever He wants to do with because You know better what is good for me.

     just that. then He gave me Bhagavad Gita.

    Krishna means - All attractive

    Allah means - All mighty

    To say that Allah is not the Name of Krishna, means to say that Krishna is not All mighty. And at the same time, to say that Krishna is not the Name of Allah it means to claim that Allah is not All attractive.

    God is One. But He has innumerable expansions and avatars.

    According to the quality of particular expansion He has the particular Name.

    God is Personality. He has feelings, Spiritual senses. Whatever we have is the copy of God. God did not copy us, we copy Him.

    Similarly, God also have His Home, His job place ...

    But when He is at Home He enjoys His life with His Devotees, in Goloka Vrindavan, in His eternal youth Form as Krishna.

    But when He starts to create these material worlds He expands Himself into different expansions as like Balaram, Sankarshan, Pradyumna...

    But the each Name of God has different power.

    In Vishnu Sahasranama it says that 1000 Names of Vishnu equals to one Name of Rama. And 3 Names of Rama equals to the one Name of Krishna.

    In order to achieve love for Krishna as quickly as possible we chant His the most powerful Name Krishna.

    All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Thank You for nice question!!!

  • aakash menon August 17, 2011 at 7:12am

    Hare Krishna prabhu,

     The answer was very appropriate to my condition, thank you a lott

    your servant

    aakash

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      Jagadatma das > aakash menon August 19, 2011 at 8:41am

      Hare Krsna devotees,    such nice discussion you are having.

      Miral mataji made so many nice points in her clear and logical replies to Aakash prabhu.

      I also thank her for giving so much of her time to help other devotees.

      Thank you.    Hare Krsna

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        Mohini Madhavi > Jagadatma das August 19, 2011 at 1:36pm

        Hare Krishna Jagadatma Prabhu, Please accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

        Thank You for Your kind words and attentions and trust!

        i wanted to say that i got Your message, but do not have idea how to reply, because some technical problems are there in my profile. i called to administrators they told to see. Hope soon they will repair my e-mail. Sorry for writing it here! what could should i do? :-(

        Your unworthy servant, maral

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    Mohini Madhavi August 15, 2011 at 2:40pm

    Hare Krishna  Aakash Prabhu, Please accept my sincere obeisances!

    All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

    --firstly You asked a question: IF SOMEONE HAS SEEN KRISHNA, ALLAH.

    but firstly we have to understand the reasons that we can not see Him:

    --our senses are not perfect-- as we learned in the physics classes when we were nearly in 6th or 8th grade that our ears can hear the sound only above 0 and until 2000 Hz.

    --the same thing with eyes--for example, we know that train road in parallel everywhere but our eyes see it that in the far distance they become joined. it is the imperfection of our eyes.

    --the same thing with tongue--we know that sweet orange is sweet, but if we eat that after eating honey sweet orange seems sour.

     knowing these things we have to accept that we can not see God with our material senses.

    at this time our consciousness sees through these material senses. but the time when we start to see everything directly from our own spiritual senses then we can see Him. There is no doubt!

    Because of that Krishna takes Form which we can see Him - in the form of a Deity to accept our loving service.

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    second You mentioned that non devotees seems have better qualities rather then devotees.

    ok, for example, take an example of a pretty room, as Srila Prabhupada used to give. room seems very clean, but when one starts to clean all dirt and dust starts to come out and visible to our eyes. In this way You may say that people who are not chanting the Holy Names are clean, but those who are chanting they are in the cleaning process. And You can not say to a person that he is dirty while he is taking shower, right? He is taking shower and very soon will become a pure Devotee.

    In Srimad Bhagavatam Queen Kunti Mata says that if a person chants, regularly and sincerely, the Holy Names of Krishna it is for sure that billions of lives he/she had performed all kinds of yagyas, austerities, penances.

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    the 3rd thing You mentioned about regulative principles, that You do not find them needful.

    a few days ago, i heard a lecture of HH Radhanatha Swami Maharaj, He was asked such like a question. and He gave an example, "please, say me, can you love your mother killing your younger brother? no! love means to do those things which your beloved one loves. we can not love Supreme Father Krishna or Allah, killing His children." In Bhagavad Gita He says that He is a Father to all the living beings: humans, animals, plants...

     You told: ---few rules and regulations which practically dont effect us in anyway.--- Maharaja's another example was: ok, can you come to the university without any clothes? no! there are rules and regulations even for taking material knowledge.

    1. we do not eat meat - because we do not want to hurt anyone.

    2. we do not have intoxicants - because they make mind weak. when mind is weak he can not be determinate.

     3. we do not have illicit sex - because too much sense enjoyments make heart cruel. (on the contrary we can use that energy for creative things)

    4. we do not play gambling games - because they make us very passionate, and in that hot head we can create to many wrong things.

     In this way stopping doing big sins only we can chant the Holy Names which remove all other previous sins which we have done for lacks, lacks of lives. this process may take 2 minutes or 20 years or 20 lives or even more.

     All glories to Srila Prabhupada! Hare Krishna!

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    • aakash menon > Mohini Madhavi August 17, 2011 at 5:25pm

      Hare Krishna Maral Alim mataji,

      PAMHO,

      AGSP

      I think you got confused, I never said non-devotees have better qualities than devotees,ofcourse not. I agree with you that our senses are not perfect but thats all we have. In every discussion I see that thing are divided into material and spiritual. material I can understand, but spiritual is very tough to understand. Has anyone in this age seen krishna and how they defined his form. My friend met with an astrologer who claims to have seen the jesus and can talk with him.I  chant regularly and believe strongly in god, but i dont believe when someone defines god how he looks like and what he wants, This universe is very complex and in each part of the world beleifs vary, how can we say that what ever told to us is true. Should we believe simply that our scriptures are true remaining is false. Why do we exists, does krishna created us only to serve him, then why did he give freewill and inturn all miseries. Why seed giving father puts his child into so much trouble putting us into material world going through all species of life,Every life is full of dangers and pains. It is putting like all delicious dishes in front of a hungry man and telling him not eat. I feel very confused and invalid when i listen to some lectures. Please forgive me if I am offensive in my discussion.

       

      your servant

      aakash

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        Mohini Madhavi > aakash menon August 18, 2011 at 6:18pm

        Hare Krishna Aakash Menon Prabhu, please, accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

        Just in the beginning Your question You wrote--- I have friends who are non devotees and good in nature,...---

        then in the end --- but I had bitter experience with people who are more educated than me in KC...---

        because of that i thought You were thinking that non devotees are better than devotees in the concern with You.

         as i understood this time You gave the next questions:

        1. Does someone seen God?

        2.  Why we should believe that only Bhagavad Gita is true others are not? (or You have to correct it)

        3. Why for God-Supreme Father to put us here in the hellish like world?

         

        For example, child wants to catch a hot pot, as sister or mother or anyone elder than him/her i will say to him not to touch. But he is very eagerly wants to touch it, i will softly beat in the needed place. If even thou he wants to touch i will let him to do so. but will take care that he does not suffer much. I do it just to give him the understanding that it was not good. 

        After that knowing that the pot is hot he won't touch it even when i am not there close to him. Right?

        God is Supreme Father. He always with us even when we are in the body of a pig or dog. He does not leave us and always takes care of us. Because He is the source of LOVE.

        He is the Compassionate One.

        Another example, if the police doesn't punish a murderer putting him into the prison what he will do? He will kill more people. He will commit more sin. Because of that police puts him into prison, takes away from him some freedom in order to stop him from committing sins.

         i have no doubt that You understand it. That prison is not bad thing.

        This material world is also like a prison. We came here because we wanted to catch the hot pot.

         Yes, every life is full of danger and pains. Why? Because Krishna wants us to come back as quickly as possible.

        He says that in the material world everything is miserable You have immediately surrender to Me and come to Me.

        Yes, every life is full of danger and pains if think that we are or all others are these bodies.

        In my own experience, after reading Bhagavad Gita and other Books of Srila Prabhupada and listening to Devotees my life became more easier to live.

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         Can we say that You or i have no mind? No! Because we have mind.

        But can You show me Your mind? Or may i see Your mind? No! i can only feel that one has mind. And reading Srimad Bhagavatam we can learn that we have mind.

        Till this time i believe that i was born from my mother. Till this time i consider my father as my real father. Why i believe to that? i did not check any DNA in genetic organizations. checking hair or blood of my parents. i just believed to the words of my authority - mother.

        In the first grade teacher thought us that the letter "A" is the letter "A". and we accepted it as a believe.

        We believe that the plain will leave Delhi at the particular time to New York and in advance  20 days bought a ticket spending huge amount of money. Why? because we believe.

        ......

        In this way we live only believing to something and not believing to another thing.

         In this age of Kali parents, media put us believes:

        ---- be cool - smoke-drink-gamble-work hard- earn money- no God- you are god- take care of dogs-forget old parents-have sex- divorce- kill and eat- .....

        But Bhagavad Gita puts us the believe:

        Serve to God-live pure life-and go back to Spiritual World. So why not accept it?

        It is impossible to taste the sweetness of honey just linking the outer side of the jar. You have just to try it Yourself opening the jar. As like before told HG Jagadatma Prabhu, You are standing close to the ocean why not jump into it? Why not just jump into the Nectarian Harinam Sankirtan.

        In the Vedas there are so many different instructions as like there are so many grades in the school. If a  person in the first grade we can not give him the 10th grade subjects. He won't be able to understand them.

        We do not say that non devotees are not good. on the contrary we want them to be happy. We want them to live pure life, chant the Holy Names and attain love for Godhead. We want them not to suffer in this world.

         We avoid to accept food from them because Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita to eat only His Prasad. How can chestful wife not to obey her husband's instructions?

        We avoid close association with them because they talk about sex, smoke....but Krishna told us to think of Him 24 hours a day as possible as we can.

         If You need scientific explanation, here they are:

        1. one's spittle is very dirty because the mouth-stomach-and anus is connected in one line. Because of that when we touch with our spittle to the food we should not offer it to some one else.

        ---also spittle consists of all genetic information of the person. When we exchange it with someone by the time we become similar to that person. (characters, bodily features...)

        2. when person cooks he puts his consciousness to the food. When we eat that food we take that person's consciousness. If a smoker cooks, he will always think of smoke, that desire will be there in his food which he cooked. If we eat regularly we also cultivate desire to smoke. no doubt.

         ---when Devotee cooks, he cooks for Krishna. He thinks of Krishna. When we eat that food we also will cultivate desire to think of Krishna. it is not difficult to understand. and to feel.

        3. when we speak too much about nonsense (nonsense here means the subjects about temporary things) we loose our intelligence.

        ---But Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita that He will give intelligence Himself to a person who serves Him sincerely so  that using that intelligence he could come to Him. Because of that intelligence is very important in understanding Krishna.

         Christians say that animals do not have soul. But we know that only soul is the living force to the body.

        Most of Muslim people eat meat. But in Bhagavad Gita Krishna says to eat only grains, fruits, milk...

        Christians and Muslims can not answer to all of our questions like:

        1. Where is God?

        2. Who is He?

        3. How does He look like?

        4. How to love Him?

        5. What does the true love means?

        6. Scientific explanation of the soul, Time, Nature, Paramatma

        7. Scientific explanation of the Forms, expansions of God.

        8. Scientific explanation of this Universe

        9. Scientific explanation of the whole creation and the Spiritual World

        10. Scientific explanation of where the hell and paradise are.

        11. Astrology

        12. Ayurveda

        ..........................

        i did not find any satisfactory answers to these question except from Bhagavad Gita and Srimad Bhagavatam.

        In the beginning i accepted in just because i believed and trusted to the words of my school teacher who was a Devotee almost. I did not believed to the chanting process. But to His words.

        But when i started to chant and read i started to realize that these things are truth.

        It is true that the Holy Name is blissful!

        It is true that Deities are God Himself!

        Astrology and Ayurveda gives correct advises.

        then why should not i accept all the things which Bhagavatam give?

        Can one person to be a lier and at the same time to be truthful?

        Bhagavatam says that Moon is bigger than the Sun. That there are milk, honey, yogurt, ghee ...oceans. That Lord Vishnu creates all these Universes from His pores in His Body.

        And He Himself lies in the Garbhodaka Ocean.

        That the same Maha Vishnu in the form of Kshirodakashyi Vishnu is in my heart in the size of a big finger.

        That i am His insignificant part and parcel.

         That i am His eternal servant.

        Dear Aakash Prabhu, can You find all these scientific explanations in other Books?

        i accept Srila Prabhupada who was living simple and pure life.

         You may say that scientists say that Moon is nearer to the Earth than the Sun. Why should i believe to a person who smokes, drinks, has illicit sex, who even is not happy, who himself suffers from old age, death...

        It is better to accept Krishna's and His Devotees' words.

        Your servant, maral

         

         

         

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