Hare Krishna 🙏😊
All glories to Srila Prabhupada Ji ❤️
I want to ask that every Vaishnav Acharya's said that Shiv Ji isn't different from Sri Krishna, Sri Krishna and Shiv Ji is equal that's why he's called Bhagwan not demigod like (Indra, Varun and Agni Dev etc) and he's the topmost Vaishnav.
So, one day I was debating with someone that (person said that some Vaishnav and Iskcon followers said that Shiv Ji is demigod, he's lusty and he's Tamsi). So, what I've heard from other Vaishnav Acharya's, I told him that woh sare log murkh h jo Shiv ji ko aise kehte h and unki Bhakti ussi din nasht ho gyi thi jiss din unhone yeh kaha hoga and unhone Vaishnav Appradh Kiya h. I know ki woh Tamsi Gunn k avatar h, but iska mtlab yeh toh nhi ki woh Tamsi ho jate h. Aur mene kaha ki kayi Vaishnav, Iskcon me khug yeh functions hote h bade paimane pr and Iskcon followers Shivratri ko vrat rakhte h taki woh Shiv ji ka ashirwad pa sake aur Shiv ji ki tarah Sri Krishna ki bhakti me aur lag sake.
So, did I committed a Vaishnav Appradh towards them who thinks all these things about Shiv Ji. Please answer me I'm so afraid 😨😳
Please answer me as many persons can do, I want a clear clarification on this😭
Hare Krishna 🙏☺️
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Hare Krsna
rāma rāmeti rāmeti
rame rāme manorame
sahasra-nāmabhis tulyaṁ
rāma-nāma varānane
“[Lord Śiva addressed his wife, Durgā:] ‘O Varānanā, I chant the holy name of Rāma, Rāma, Rāma and thus enjoy this beautiful sound. This holy name of Rāmacandra is equal to one thousand holy names of Lord Viṣṇu.’
This is a verse from the Bṛhad-viṣṇu-sahasranāma-stotra in the Uttara-khaṇḍa of the Padma Purāṇa (72.335).
Hare Krsna
Every Vaishnava must needed to be a Bhakta of Siva 🧡...
शङ्करश्च गुरुं कृत्वा हरि-भक्तिं लभाचिरम्।
सुपक्वा हरि-भक्तिश्च तरणी भवतारणे॥
गुरुरेव परं ब्रह्म कर्ण-धार-स्वरूपकः॥
(नारद पञ्चरात्र: रात्रि १ अध्याय २ श्लोक ४७)
śańkaraś ca gurum kṛtvā hari-bhaktim labhāciram supakvā hari-bhaktiś ca taraṇī bhava-tāraṇe gurur eva param brahma karṇa-dhāra-svarūpakaḥ
(Narad panchratra: Ratra 1 Chapter 2: Verse 47)
Hindi translation:
शङ्कर भगवान को अपना गुरु बनाकर उनसे हरि भक्ति प्राप्त करें। हरि भक्ति प्राप्त करने से इस संसार से पार पाया जा सकता है। गुरु परब्रह्म होते हैं, क्योंकि वे संसार के इस सागर से पार करने के लिए केवल नाविक की भाँति कार्य करते हैं।
English translation:
"Go and adopt Lord Sankara (Siva) as your Guru and obtain Hari bhakti from him. By attaining Hari bhakti, one will cross over this samsara. Guru is indeed Parabrahma, for he acts like the helmsman to cross this ocean of samsara."
He is supreme Vaisnava
Nărada Panchratra 👇
सर्वान्तरात्मा भगवान् ब्रह्मज्योतिः सनातनं ।
परिपूर्णतमः श्रीमान् यथा कृष्णः सुरेषु च ॥ ६२ ॥
यथा देवी पुज्या सा मूलप्रकृतिरीश्वरी ।
वैष्णवानां च् सिद्धानां ज्ञानिनां योगिनां शिवः ॥ ६३ ॥ विश्वस्तानामिन्द्रियाणां मनश्च शीघ्रगामिनां ।
sarvāntarātmā bhagavān brahma-jyotiḥ sanātanam paripurnatamaḥ śrīmān yatha kṛṣṇaḥ sureșu cay atha deviṣu pūjyā sā mula-prakṛtir isvarī vaiṣṇavānāṁ ca siddhānāṁ jñānināṁ yogināṁ sivaḥ viśvastānāṁ indriyāṇām manaś ca sighra-gaminam
(Narad Panchratra -Ratra 1: Chapter 1 : Texts 62-63)
Translation — Just as the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Sri Krsna, who is eternal, who is the Supersoul of all living entities, who is greatly effulgent, and who is the complete whole, is the foremost of all godly personalities-as the worshipable goddess, Mula-prakṛti, is best of all godesses-as Mahadeva is best of all Vaisnavas, perfectly learned persons, and yogis-as the mind is the best of all the senses and other fast moving objects.
Skanda Purana 👇
आपगानां यथा गंगा तेजसां तु रविर्यथा ।
आयुधानां यथा चक्रं धातूनां कांचनं यथा ॥ १३ ॥
वैष्णवानां यथा रुद्रो रत्नानां कौस्तुभो यथा ।
मासानां धर्महेतूनां वैशाखश्चोत्तमस्तथा ॥ १४ ॥
āpagānāṃ yathā gaṃgā tejasāṃ tu raviryathā |
āyudhānāṃ yathā cakraṃ dhātūnāṃ kāṃcanaṃ yathā || 13 ||
vaiṣṇavānāṃ yathā rudro ratnānāṃ kaustubho yathā |
māsānāṃ dharmahetūnāṃ vaiśākhaścottamastathā || 14 ||
(Skanda Purana 2:7:1:13-14)
Translation — Like Gaṅgā among all rivers, like the sun among luminaries, like discus among all the weapons, like gold among all metals, like Rudra among all Vaiṣṇavas and like Kaustubha among all jewels, Vaiśākha is the most excellent one among all the months conducive to piety and virtuousness.
Padma Purana 👇
वैष्णवानां परः श्रेष्ठः
"vaiṣṇavānām paraḥ śresthah"
(Padma Purana 6:71:51)
Translation — Lord Shiva is the greatest of Vaishnava"
Brahma Vaivarta Purāṇa 👇
मृत्योर्मृत्युरीश्वरश्च मृत्युर्मृत्युञ्जयः शिवः ।।
ज्ञानानन्दो महाज्ञानी महाज्ञानप्रदः परः ।।२१।।
पूर्णचन्द्रप्रभामृष्टमुखदृश्यो मनोहरः ।।
वैष्णवानां च प्रवरः प्रज्वलन्ब्रह्मतेजसा।।२२।।
श्रीकृष्पुरतः स्थित्वा तुष्टाव तं पुटाञ्जलिः।।
(Brahma Vaivarta Puran :Brahma khanda : Chapter 3 Verse 21-22)
Translation — The one who overpowers even death, bestower of welfare, blissful, possessor of great knowledge, the best of all and the bestower of the great knowledge, having the face illumined with the lustre of the full moon, pleasant to look at, the chief of the Vaisnavas and emitted the divine light. He then stood before Lord Krsna with folded hands and started praying.
Satvat Tantra 👇
ज्ञतां मे सुरवर्य वाञ्छिततरां मद्भक्तसङ्गावलिं तोsहं प्रवदामि ते करुणया भक्ताय साकं वरैः । मल्लीलां गदतो भविष्यति भवत्सर्वे जना वैष्णवाः । भार्या चापि तथानुकूलसुखदा भक्ताग्रणीमें भवान् ॥ २३
jnatarii me sura-varya vanchitataram mad-bhakta-sarigavalim tat te 'ham pravadâmi te karunayâ bhaktâya sakanı varaih mal-lîlârii gadato bhavisyati bhavat sarve janâ vaişnavâh bhâryâ câpi tathânuküla-sukhadâ bhakt-âgranır me bhavân
(Satvata Tantra 9:23)
Translation — O best of the Devas, I know that you yearn to associate with My devotees. I will be kind to you and I will give you this benediction: You will narrate My pastimes and all the people of the world will become devotees. Your wife Parvati will also become a devotee and she will become become happy and pleased with you. Shiva you are the best of My devotees.
Now the question arises, Is Lord Vishnu, Krishna or Rama worship Lord Shiva?
Ans — yeah Supreme lord always meditate on their devotees like Shiva , Nărada , Bhrigu and so on…
It is Also mentioned in Narada panchratra 1:1:36 👇
वैष्णवः ध्ययन्ते वैणवाः कृष्णं कृष्णश् च वैष्णवांस् तथा।
vaiṣavaḥ dhyayante vainavāḥ kṛṣṇam kṛṣṇaś ca vaiṣṇavāṁs tathā
Translation: Krishna or Vishnu meditates on His devotees and His devotees meditate upon Him.
Hare Krsna
Shiv Ji isn't different from Sri Krishna, Sri Krishna and Shiv Ji is equal that's why he's called Bhagwan
Lord Shiva and Lord Vishnu are different and also similar.
kṣīraṁ yathā dadhi vikāra-viśeṣa-yogāt
sañjāyate na hi tataḥ pṛthag asti hetoḥ
yaḥ śambhutām api tathā samupaiti kāryād
govindam ādi-puruṣaṁ tam ahaṁ bhajāmi
Just as milk is transformed into curd by the action of acids, but yet the effect curd is neither same as, nor different from, its cause, viz., milk, so I adore the primeval Lord Govinda of whom the state of Śambhu is a transformation for the performance of the work of destruction. ( Brahma Samhita 5.45)
At the same time considering names and qualities of Lord SHiva to be same or indepenedent of names and qualities of Lord Vishnu is second offense against holy names of Sri Krsna
śivasya śrī-viṣṇor ya iha guṇa-nāmādi-sakalaṁ
dhiyā bhinnaṁ paśyet sa khalu hari-nāmāhita-karaḥ ( Purport Adi 8.24 from Padma Purana)
It is best to consider Lord Shiva as topmost devotee of Sri Krsna
woh sare log murkh h jo Shiv ji ko aise kehte h and unki Bhakti ussi din nasht ho gyi thi jiss din unhone yeh kaha hoga
This sounds more like a curse. This is unnecessary. Better not say such things. Whether someone's bhakti is destroyed or not , we need not be judeg of it. We better focus on our practice of bhakti.
Hare Krsna
Hare Krsna
Shiv Ji is demigod, he's lusty and he's Tamsi
The above statement is definitely false and offensive. Lord Shiva is not lusty or in tamo guna. Lord Shiva is very unique, he is very great and most importantly he is topmost Vaishnava.There are atleast five perspectives on Lord Shiva
1. Topmost Vaishnava :
वैष्णवानां यथा शम्भु: पुराणानामिदं तथा ॥ १६ ॥
devānām acyuto yathā
vaiṣṇavānāṁ yathā śambhuḥ
purāṇānām idam tathā
But, I didn't get my clear answer. Does I committed Vaishnav Appradh? 🥺😭😭