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The general people believe that demigods know everything about the Supreme Personality of Godhead and His creation. People worship demigods to gain material gains because they believe that the demigods control the fate of all living beings. However, there are many instances that the demigods were not only bewildered, but also were not aware who was Krishna. We learn from Bhagavatam that Brahma, the creator of all living beings including human beings, was bewildered about who was Krishna and wanted to test Krishna and show his power by stealing all the cow boys and calves:
SB 10.13.15 — O Mahārāja Parīkṣit, Brahmā, who resides in the higher planetary system in the sky, had observed the activities of the most powerful Kṛṣṇa in killing and delivering Aghāsura, and he was astonished. Now that same Brahmā wanted to show some of his own power and see the power of Kṛṣṇa, who was engaged in His childhood pastimes, playing as if with ordinary cowherd boys. Therefore, in Kṛṣṇa’s absence, Brahmā took all the boys and calves to another place. Thus he became entangled, for in the very near future he would see how powerful Kṛṣṇa was.
The King of heaven Indra also did not know that Krishna was the Supreme Personality of Godhead. He wanted to test Krishna as we learn from following verses of Bhagavatam:
SB 10.25.2 — Angry Indra sent forth the clouds of universal destruction, known as Sāṁvartaka. Imagining himself the supreme controller, he spoke as follows.
In Bhagavad Gita Krishna clearly declares that the demigods should also understand and know that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead:
BG 7.30: Those in full consciousness of Me, who know Me, the Supreme Lord, to be the governing principle of the material manifestation, of the demigods, and of all methods of sacrifice, can understand and know Me, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, even at the time of death.
Now, I would like to know:
a. Are the demigods also living beings with higher potency than human being with a little better knowledge and power?
b. Do they also under the influence of modes of material nature (goodness, passion and ignorance.? (Ref: Bg 14.5 — Material nature consists of three modes – goodness, passion and ignorance. When the eternal living entity comes in contact with nature, O mighty-armed Arjuna, he becomes conditioned by these modes.)
c. What is the constitutional position of demigods?
I will appreciate your valuable time and inputs in this regard.
Your insignificant servant,
a. -demigods are servants and different parts of the lords cosmic body in material world,
therefore, they are super powerful and intelligent comparing to humans.
SB 4.7.42 — The demigods said: Dear Lord, formerly, when there was a devastation, You conserved all the different energies of material manifestation. At that time, all the inhabitants of the higher planets, represented by such liberated souls as Sanaka, were meditating on You by philosophical speculation. You are therefore the original person, and You rest in the water of devastation on the bed of the Śeṣa snake. Now, today, You are visible to us, who are all Your servants. Please give us protection.
b. -demigods are in sattva guna.
SB 8.5.31 — Since our bodies are made of sattva-guṇa, we, the demigods, are internally and externally situated in goodness. All the great saints are also situated in that way. Therefore, if even we cannot understand the Supreme Personality of Godhead, what is to be said of those who are most insignificant in their bodily constitutions, being situated in the modes of passion and ignorance? How can they understand the Lord? Let us offer our respectful obeisances unto Him.
c. -demigods are made from the mercy of lord,
therefore, thier position is to establish balance, peace and religious principles in the universe.
SB 8.5.39 — Mahendra, the King of Heaven, was generated from the prowess of the Lord, the demigods were generated from the mercy of the Lord, Lord Śiva was generated from the anger of the Lord, and Lord Brahmā from His sober intelligence. The Vedic mantras were generated from the bodily holes of the Lord, and the great saints and prajāpatis were generated from His genitals. May that supremely powerful Lord be pleased with us.
Hare Krishna Dean Prabhu!
Thank you for your quick and valuable response. Your postings are always full of nectar of love for Krishna. Prabhu I have a question in mind , " Why demigods could not recognise Krishna?
Please accept my dandvat pranam prabhu!
demigods could not recognized krishna because krishna wanted not to be recognized in that moment.
krishna lilas are arranged by krishna himself and everybody needs to play in that game as he wants.
anything what was happen with demigods or krishna, have ultimate goal for welfare of all universe,
therefore we should avoid judge them no matter what, always thinking that on mind.
some vaishnavas talking on lectures inappropriate and even offensively toward some demigods,
especially for sri brahma and sri indra, judging some their acts on material human level.
but they dont know that actually they making offences to vaishnavas, degrading their progress.
Hare Krishna Dean Prabhu!
So nice of you that you are providing me valuable guidance and advice.
Why did the question came in my mind?
Because One senior devotee told recently that 'demigods are also are under the influence of the modes of material nature and they also have to follow the vicious cycle of birth and death. They also descend to material worlds for example Brahma took birth as Haridas Thakur because he tried to test Krishna.
However, your authentic explanation provided me a clearer understanding what makes sense to my believe. I am so happy now.
Thank you Dean prabhu for loading all religious pictures. By the way where do you get all these marvellous photos?
Hare Krsna Prabhuji,
That senior devotee is right prabhuji. Demigods are also in the material world, therefore they are also governed by the 3 modes of material nature. Do you know that Indra is a post and the next Indra is Bali Maharaj? When one jivatma does enough pious activities to qualify for the post, then only he is made Indra. If no one qualifies, then the Supreme Lord exapnds Himself as Indra. There are enough stories about demigods getting angry or jealous - Read about Prithu maharaj's 100th Ashwamedha yagya. Another example is Kali stepping on Lord Shiva by mistake - definitely not sattva guna.
Demigods also have to folow the vicious cycle of birth and death - correct. Once their pious activities are over, they come back to earth in one of the 84 lakh yonis.
Brahma did not have to take birth as Haridas Thakur because of his offence during Krsna lila, He took birth as Haridas Thakur to assist the lord in His leela.
I hope it is clear now.
SB 8.10.2 — O King, after the Supreme Personality of Godhead had brought to completion the affairs of churning the ocean and feeding the nectar to the demigods, who are His dear devotees, He left the presence of them all and was carried by Garuḍa to His own abode.
anyway, sri indra is faultless of stealing that horse , assisting lord in his lilas :
SB 4.19.30 — Lord Brahmā addressed them thus: My dear sacrificial performers, you cannot kill Indra, the King of heaven. It is not your duty. You should know that Indra is as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Indeed, he is one of the most powerful assistants of the Personality of Godhead. You are trying to satisfy all the demigods by the performance of this yajña, but you should know that all these demigods are but parts and parcels of Indra, the King of heaven. How, then, can you kill him in this great sacrifice?
devotees like indra are faultless servants of sri krishna,
always assisting him in his lilas for welfare of all universe.
we should never listen unqualified persons talking offensively toward lords real devotees,
because by following them, we will never please the god, no matter what we do.
Hare Krishna Dean Prabhu!
I am a very insignificant fallen soul prabhu. I ask question when I feel I need more clarification. That's why I rely on the responses from you and other exalted devotees. Keeping in mind not to listen unqualified person, I spend my time to read scriptures and listen from qualified devotees like you. I appreciate your valuable time, help, guidance, advice and compassion.
Prabhu I strongly believe that all demigods are part and parcel of Sri Krishna and the leela we know about from scriptures is for the welfare of the universe. Since we can't go beyond the material thinking and influence, it is sometimes difficult to understand Krishna's leela. Prabhu how can I be bewildered about my seed giving real father? Krishna has been blessing me with his unconditional mercy in this life as well as my previous lives. I shed my tears when I think about Krishna's mercy and love for this fallen soul.
Again thank you for your mercy prabhu!
Indra is as good as the Supreme Personality of Godhead
This statement of Srimad Bhagavatam has to be understood within its context. This statement is said By Lord Brahma during the episode of Indra and Prithu Maharaja
Due to disturbance from Indra, sages were not able to perform their sacrifice which was meant for welfare of citizens. Indra due to misunderstanding was trying various means to stop the sacrifice. Hence sages started a sacrifice meant to kill Indra. Seeing this lord Brahma appears and makes this statement.
The purpose of lord Brahma was to prevent killing Indra and protect Indra because he is important for the universe. Hence Lord Brahma says he is As good as Supreme lord, this to the sages performing sacrifices . This means that sacrifices made to Indra can give same result as sacrifice made to Supreme lord. Because Indra to them is representative of Supreme lord for the specific purpose of sacrifice.
This does not mean Indra is Supreme personality of godhead or the sages thought him to be supreme lord or Brahma thought Indra to be Supreme lord. This refers only to the particular role of Indra which is to receive offerings of sacrifice on behalf of Visnu and provide the result of Sacrifice to performers.
There are many such contextual statements in vedic literature which can be used out of context and they can create confusion among common masses. This is one of the reasons in India why there are so many misconceptions.
Hare Krishan Reshmi mataji!
It is so nice to read your valuable eye-opening responses. I always count on your wonderful inputs and I understand how merciful you are to a fallen soul like me. I didn't know that Indra was a postand the next to Indra was Bali Mahara. I will certainly read Prithu Maharaj's 100th Ashwamedha yagya mataji. You can easily guess from my questions that I am just a neophyte devotee . I need your kind help and guidance to advance in the path of spiritual understanding.
I appreciate your valuable time, guidance from your in-depth knowledge and unconditional love for all.
Your insignificant servant,