Confusion in purport given by the great Srila Prabhupada

Hare Krishna dear devotees. My dandvat pranam to you. Request you to refer to Bhagavad Gita

chapter 18 text 71.

sraddhavan anasuyas ca
srnuyad api yo narah
so 'pi muktah subhal lokan
prapnuyat punya-karmanam

Translation

And one who listens with faith and without envy becomes free from sinful reactions and attains to the planets where the pious dwell.

In the last paragraph of the purport section Srila Prabhupada has written

The word punya-karmanam is very significant here. This refers to the performance of great sacrifice. Those who are righteous in performing devotional service but who are not pure can attain the planetary system of the polestar, or Dhruvaloka, where Dhruva Maharaja is presiding. He is a great devotee of the Lord, and he has a special planet which is called the polestar.

What do the underlined words above mean? Does "not pure" mean that those in any of the 3 modes of nature performing KC will still attain Dhruvaloka or is there some other meaning? kindly help.

br,

Romit

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Jagadatma das July 24, 2011 at 5:28pm

Hare Krsna Romitji. This has been explained in chapter 4

One is understood to be in full knowledge whose every endeavor is devoid of desire for sense gratification. He is said by sages to be a worker for whom the reactions of work have been burned up by the fire of perfect knowledge.

So you want to be a brahmana and never tell a lie? But for others lieing is part of their job and when they dove tail their work for Krsna's service then they dont become entangled. I may be working in a factory with other workers but Im not the same as them. They are thinking they will get paid and then spend the money for their sense grat. But I am thinking how Ill spend the money for Krsna. As far as working without ever telling a lie that is material piety. Yudhistira was a strict follower of this ideal morals but Krsna asked him to lie. And because he refused he had to see hell. Try to understand, Even always telling the truth has got some fault. But when you give up your desires and surrender to Krsna then and only then do you become perfect.

Therefore, O Arjuna, surrendering all your works unto Me, with full knowledge of Me, without desires for profit, with no claims to proprietorship, and free from lethargy, fight.
Man July 24, 2011 at 4:46pm

jai shri krishna..

The material planet we are living in is forcing us to live a materialistic way of life. But if you do it in the benefit of Krishna, you will be free from Karma. What Prabhupada is saying is that a merchant can only stay in business at times by telling lies but that doesn't mean it's an ideal thing to do and he will accumulate Karma. If you were in business which would further the cause of Krishna Consciousness then you would not have any Karma. If the merchant were to make Krishna his Ceo. or owner and gave from the business a certain percentage to His/Krishna's cause.. that would be alright as Krishna is the Boss. Same rule apply when killing plant etc.

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Jagadatma das July 21, 2011 at 12:42pm

Hare Krsna Romit prabhu. I am happy you are studying deeply Prabhupada's books. In Srimad Bhagavatam and Caitanya Caritamrta there is much more on this subject. You are correct by saying that if we are still under the modes of nature we cannot say we are pure devotees Nor can we directly enter into the spiritual sky with such material desires.. Real pure bhakti begins on the brahma bhuta platform when one is in pure goodness and he never desires anything in this temporary material world nor does he envy anyone . So I may not in pure goodness yet. Just Im on the path and Im endeavoring for pure bhakti. What will be my fate if I die? This is what Srila Prabhupada saying, dont worry. You may be elevated to higher planets where all very pious people live. So from there you can make more advancement and become completely pure. This Druvaloka is a Vaikuntha planet in the material world. There are other higher planets in that area and they are very good for sadhu sanga and elevation into the spiritual sky. Or you may take brth in a devotee family here on earth. You may take birth in Vrndavan. This will be according to your own particular devotion for Krsna and the blessings of great devotees. So understanding very clearly what is vaikuntha and what is Vrndavan. And what is Krsna and and what is Visnu . Thatis so important. You must have a good understanding of where you want to go. Therefore Krsna's devotees want this ekentika Krsna bhakti. One pointed devotion for Krsna. And which Krsna? Vrndavan Krsna who is the son of Nanda Maharaja and mother Yashoda. Who always plays a flute while tending the cows on Goverdhan hill. So there is a very big arangement for the gradual elevation to perfect Krsna consciousness . Some go to Vaikuntha and serve Laksmi Narayana some to Ayodhya and serve Sita Rama and some to Goloka to serve Radha Krsna according to there desire. They are all perfect devotees. By association of Sri Krsna's devotees we only want that most beautiful Krsna who is with Sri Radha and Her freinds in Vrndavan. Hare Krsna
- Man > Jagadatma das July 24, 2011 at 1:14pm
  
  Jai Shri Krishna..
  
  "That is the perfectional point. When a particular type of occupation is performed for the satisfaction of the Supreme Lord, all the defects in that particular occupation are purified. When the results of work are purified, when connected with devotional service, one becomes perfect in seeing the self within, and that is self-realization."
  
  I believe what Prabhupada is saying is that to absolve ones self from the imperfection of material nature in which we are forced to use impure methods is to do it in Krishna's benefit. Just like when we have to kill a plant in order to eat to live.. we are absolved from this killing when we offer it to Krishna then we are free to eat it as prasadama. I believe that by now you have the point, that inevitably you will commit sin but when you do it in favor of Krishna, you'll be absolved. Please don't apply this to butchers, etc. They will go to hell because in no way can they benefit Krishna from such work.
  
  HariBol!