Radha Rasamayi DD > The Crimson UniverseSeptember 11, 2018 at 11:00am
What is show off chanting?
Have you chanted when you dont feel like chanting? Have you chanted when your mind wanted to do something else completely?
You will realise how painful it is to chant at that time. Still the sadhaka perseveres....just to please Krsna...just to acknowledge that the mind is playing tricks, I, the soul, dont want to be a slave to my mind and stop chanting now, I want to chant to purify the consciousness, to beat my mind and tell it that I (soul) rule, not you (mind)....only one who has gone through this knows what I am talking about. There is no question of show off chanting.
You know what is show off vaishnanva - one who wears vaishnav dress, tilak, has bead bag on the neck, fingers on the beads, and is not chanting...is gossipping, or anything else, but not chanting. Such a person is a show off, not someone who is forcefully chanting.
Avinash Rajkumar > Radha Rasamayi DDSeptember 12, 2018 at 4:53am
The Maya Shakti bothering your head and you can't chant. mind going all over the place. sit down next to a pure devotte when you are chanting and they will pull you up. Instead of sitting by yourself.
Avinash Rajkumar > Radha Rasamayi DDSeptember 12, 2018 at 4:36am
when you close your eyes and try to chant you see a slide show of images in the mind these images are a collection of impressions left by your 5 sences. what you are seeing is your Krama. you are feeling Maya energy pulling on you. This is something you need to face and destroy. you go into meditation and destroy these things by facing it within yourself. you need to destroy the negative energy inside you and you will left with positive energy. you will feel the maya shakti pulling you. easiest thing to do is to go and sit next to a pure devotee and chant with them when you feel like this. they will pull you up instead of you battling against maya hopelessly by yourself. go and sit down next to a pure devotee when you are doing japp and they will have to pull you up if that is happening.
Bharat > The Crimson UniverseSeptember 11, 2018 at 2:31am
Hare Krsna
As far as practice of Krsna consciousness is concerned Right or wrong is not decided by ordinary persons like me or you anyone else.
Anyone is free to believe anything as right or wrong. But when someone is saying it out loud what is right or wrong in respect of Krsna consciousness or its practice and knowledge then it is required to be in 100% complete alignment with (all) 3 aspects - 1. Guru or Acarya 2. Contemporary learned and practicing devotees 3. Devotional scripture like BG, SB etc.
Without the 100% alignment with these anybody can claim anything to be right while being completely wrong.
To put it in context the statement made by Jelu if right kindly provide reference and clarification about the same.
It may appear unkind to ask for such a reference, but it need not be seen that way. Because it will improve my own understanding of Krsna consciousness if it is given or it will improve the understanding of another person if unable to provide. This understanding is useful in making progress in Krsna consciousness.
Mind wont get disturbed when you do any activity with interest and love. Example:- If you have passion for singing or drawing it is ur favorite timepass/hobby. You would do it right without any interference with mind .. Well.. mind is active then also., why then you are able to do that drawing or singing with ease?
Becoz you love ur work.
One must love what one does. If you don't like to do a job...and still u are forced to do.. How do u do it? it is dragging right? you keep watching the time when that job will be done when to get off it and enjoy other interesting activities.
One must develop love or interest or Ruchi to the nama . It takes some time to get over the initial sluggishness.
Just as u start sweeping a dirty room the dust is floating in air and around you.. You get disturbed by the mind. But slowly slowly you will develop love for Lord Sri Krishna and u get the taste for taking the name.
For developing that taste and interest for nama smarana one must always keep chanting rhythmically. Let us say you like songs or music .. Then one must listen to Sankirtan of Mahamantra sung by various artists in different styles. In this way one can keep interested in music as well as chanting rhythmically.
One gets used to chanting rhythmically in a flow....getting used to a tune..the transcendental Vibrations produced by the recitation you keep on hearing the name and Name itself slowly purifies you inside out.
Don't worry until you get used to a routine it takes time keep practicing bring back you mind again and again from vishaya and Vasana( Objects of senses) to listen to the holy name and its transcendental vibrations.
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What is show off chanting?
Have you chanted when you dont feel like chanting? Have you chanted when your mind wanted to do something else completely?
You will realise how painful it is to chant at that time. Still the sadhaka perseveres....just to please Krsna...just to acknowledge that the mind is playing tricks, I, the soul, dont want to be a slave to my mind and stop chanting now, I want to chant to purify the consciousness, to beat my mind and tell it that I (soul) rule, not you (mind)....only one who has gone through this knows what I am talking about. There is no question of show off chanting.
You know what is show off vaishnanva - one who wears vaishnav dress, tilak, has bead bag on the neck, fingers on the beads, and is not chanting...is gossipping, or anything else, but not chanting. Such a person is a show off, not someone who is forcefully chanting.
The Maya Shakti bothering your head and you can't chant. mind going all over the place. sit down next to a pure devotte when you are chanting and they will pull you up. Instead of sitting by yourself.
when you close your eyes and try to chant you see a slide show of images in the mind these images are a collection of impressions left by your 5 sences. what you are seeing is your Krama. you are feeling Maya energy pulling on you. This is something you need to face and destroy. you go into meditation and destroy these things by facing it within yourself. you need to destroy the negative energy inside you and you will left with positive energy. you will feel the maya shakti pulling you. easiest thing to do is to go and sit next to a pure devotee and chant with them when you feel like this. they will pull you up instead of you battling against maya hopelessly by yourself. go and sit down next to a pure devotee when you are doing japp and they will have to pull you up if that is happening.
Hare Krsna
Very precise description of how difficult chanting can practically be. Thank you mataji.
Hare Krsna
As far as practice of Krsna consciousness is concerned Right or wrong is not decided by ordinary persons like me or you anyone else.
Anyone is free to believe anything as right or wrong. But when someone is saying it out loud what is right or wrong in respect of Krsna consciousness or its practice and knowledge then it is required to be in 100% complete alignment with (all) 3 aspects - 1. Guru or Acarya 2. Contemporary learned and practicing devotees 3. Devotional scripture like BG, SB etc.
Without the 100% alignment with these anybody can claim anything to be right while being completely wrong.
To put it in context the statement made by Jelu if right kindly provide reference and clarification about the same.
It may appear unkind to ask for such a reference, but it need not be seen that way. Because it will improve my own understanding of Krsna consciousness if it is given or it will improve the understanding of another person if unable to provide. This understanding is useful in making progress in Krsna consciousness.
Hare Krsna
Thank you for your Gloreus & /inspireing words!
Mind wont get disturbed when you do any activity with interest and love.
Example:- If you have passion for singing or drawing it is ur favorite timepass/hobby. You would do it right without any interference with mind .. Well.. mind is active then also., why then you are able to do that drawing or singing with ease?
Becoz you love ur work.
One must love what one does. If you don't like to do a job...and still u are forced to do.. How do u do it? it is dragging right? you keep watching the time when that job will be done when to get off it and enjoy other interesting activities.
One must develop love or interest or Ruchi to the nama . It takes some time to get over the initial sluggishness.
Just as u start sweeping a dirty room the dust is floating in air and around you.. You get disturbed by the mind. But slowly slowly you will develop love for Lord Sri Krishna and u get the taste for taking the name.
For developing that taste and interest for nama smarana one must always keep chanting rhythmically. Let us say you like songs or music .. Then one must listen to Sankirtan of Mahamantra sung by various artists in different styles. In this way one can keep interested in music as well as chanting rhythmically.
One gets used to chanting rhythmically in a flow....getting used to a tune..the transcendental Vibrations produced by the recitation you keep on hearing the name and Name itself slowly purifies you inside out.
Don't worry until you get used to a routine it takes time keep practicing bring back you mind again and again from vishaya and Vasana( Objects of senses) to listen to the holy name and its transcendental vibrations.
Hare Krishna.
https://poornsamarpan.in/article/2017/10/03/chant-anyway
you can chant along with japa audio of prabhupad :
https://prabhupadavani.org/audio/chant-japa-srila-prabhupada/
If i hear the same japa audio of other singers like George Harrison, then will it be ok?