Hare Krishna

as Prabhupada said 'Kalo Sudra' that means we are all Sudras in Kali Yuga. forget about being Brahmana, we are not even Vaisya.

so my question to you all is -

Is it possible to elevate ourselves from our current Varna which is Sudra to a higher Varna for example Ksatriya?

please only give me answers backing up with quotes from scriptures and Prabhupada only. please don't answer as per your thinking.

thank you and Hare Krishna.

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  • Sevak

    Yes, but that would be aiming very low. 

    By the practice pure devotional service a person can get the highest elevation of being freed from cycle of birth & death and be transferred permanently to the kingdom of Sri Krsna and become his associate. 

    akāmaḥ sarva-kāmo vā
    mokṣa-kāma udāra-dhīḥ
    tīvreṇa bhakti-yogena
    yajeta puruṣaṁ param

    A person who has broader intelligence, whether he be full of all material desire, without any material desire, or desiring liberation, must by all means worship the supreme whole, the Personality of Godhead. (SB 2.3.10)

    The above shloka from Srimad Bahgavatam clearly states that whatever a person wants he simply needs to intensely practice bhakti. 

    Elevation to higher varna, elevation to higher planets are all material desires. By practice of devotional service devotees have attained these. 

    Example : 5 year old boy Dhruva wanted a kingdom greater than His great gandfather Lord Brahma. Dhruva performed intense devotional service to 5-6 months and he attained the Dhruva loka by grace of Sri Vishnu. (SB Canto 4) 

    Narada muni was son of a maid servant (shudra). He served pure devotees and became a pure devotee himself. He became highest of Brahmans, he is sage for demigods and guru of Dhruva, prahlad, Valmiki etc. (SB Canto 1)

    Mrigari was a sinful hunter who would take pleasure in giving pain to animals. Narada muni instructed him in path of Bhakti and mrigari was elevated to become a pure devotee (CC Madhya Chapter 24)

    In this life it would be stupid trying to elevate oneself to higher varnas without pure devotional service. Any intelligent person would try to rise above all varnas, all planets and become eternally situated in Vaikuntha planet as servant of Sri Krsna. When we have a direct non-stop lift from ground floor to topmost floor, why should we look for a lift that takes us from ground floor to 1st floor and use the stairs to go higher ?

    Hare Krsna

     

  • The Krishna Consciousness movement is creating Brahmanas (words by Prabhupada):

    So when you come to the system of varṇāśrama, this is by nature. It is creation of God, just like in your body there are four divisions—the brain, arms, belly and legs divisions. So how can you avoid? This is natural. Unless you have got brain, if your head is cut off from the body, then what is the value? It is dead body. Similarly, at the present moment there is no brahminical culture. There may be very strong arm department, there may be very well-equipped economic department or labor department, but because the head is not there, it is a dead body. Therefore the whole society is suffering; there is no brāhmin, or the head. We are creating brāhmins so that the society may be saved. We are not creating rascals; we are creating brāhmins. So if you all are responsible, if you know your duty, try to save the society, especially in your country, America. By God's grace you have enough of everything. And you have got intelligence also; otherwise how you are coming? Unless you are born of intelligent father and mother, how you are taking this?

    So we are creating first-class nationalists in this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement who can save your country. We are not creating cats and dogs and bluffing the society. We are actually creating real nationalists of your country, real scholars. We don't decry material civilization. No. We don't say that. Yesterday on the beach I was talking with Karandhara, "Why your country does not allow to marry more than one wife?" He said they think it is immoral. I do not know what is the ethics or psychology behind it, but giving opportunity for the girls to become prostitute is not immoral? To marry more than one wife is immoral? You see your leaders. This is the leaders. Why? Because there is no varṇāśrama-dharma, they do not know. The brāhmins, the kṣatriyas, especially,

    From: https://vanisource.org/wiki/720816_-_Lecture_SB_01.02.13_-_Los_Angeles

     

    Also some more about how Varna Ashram is still current, important, and necessary (from Prabhupada):

    I have repeatedly said in America that there is draft board. They call, conscription, they call any young man to the military department, but most of the boys, young men, they try to avoid this, this military. Most of them. One of the causes of the hippie movement is due to the government's draft board. They want to avoid it.

    So I have repeatedly said: "Why do they avoid?" In India still we have got some martial races, the Jāts, the Sikhs. They will be very glad to accept military training, still, because there is kṣatriya spirit. But in other countries they have been made all śūdras. How they can take up kṣatriya spirit? That is not possible.

    So according to this varṇāśrama, there must be training. Some classes of men must be trained as nice brāhmins. Some people must be trained as nice kṣatriyas. Some people must be trained as nice vaiśyas. And śūdra does not require any . . . everyone is śūdra. Janmanā jāyate śūdraḥ. By birth, everyone is śūdra. Saṁskārād bhaved dvijaḥ.

    By training one becomes vaiśya, one becomes kṣatriya, one becomes brāhmin. Where is that training? All śūdras. And how can you expect good government, śūdra government? All the śūdras are taking vote by hook and crook. And they are occupying government post.

    Therefore their only business is . . . Kali, in this age especially, mlecchā rājanya-rūpiṇaḥ, eating and drinking—eating flesh, drinking wine. Mlecchas, yavanas, they are accepting government post. What good government you can expect? Forget. Forget good government for millions of years. Unless you establish this varṇāśrama-dharma, there is no question of good government. There must be first-class kṣatriya who can take charge of the government.

    From: https://vanisource.org/w/index.php?title=721108_-_Lecture_SB_01.02....

     

    720816 - Lecture SB 01.02.13 - Los Angeles - Vanisource
  • E-Counselor

    Hare Krsna Prabhuji,

    PAMHO.

    Kalau Sudra - I agree, we are all born sudras. However, Srila Prabhupada himself gave brahman diksha to both prabhujis and matajis and made them pujaris. Therefore, they were elevated to the level of brahmanas.

    While we are all born sudras, the moment we take to the path of devotion, we become vaishnavas. As you know, vaishnava is above a brahmana. Therefore, brahman diksha is also not necessary to elevate us above sudras.

    Haribol,

    Your servant,

    Radha Rasamayi DD

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