i heard many lectures of some brahamcharis in iskcon. in one such lecture i heard that by criticizing mayawadis or non devotees like (KARAN AND KAURAVS) we can advance in devotional life.. How can criticism of Mayawadis help us to advance in our devotional life? if it does then why not criticize muslims they also believe that god has no form so they are also mayawadi. why not criticize person like zakir naik who bluntly challenge our scriptures and who is spreading all kind of crap on the name of hindu scriptures... please reply
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I am not sure what exactly the devotees wanted to convey in the lecture you heard. However from what i have heard from His Holliness Radhanath Swami Maharaj's lectures we must offer all the respect to every one and expect none for our self. Only then one can chant the holly name of the Lord constantly (amaaniya maana dena kirtaniya sada Harihe). Also I have heard from other devotees that Srila Prabhupada has told us to even offer dandavat pranam to a Sanyasi even if he is a mayawadi. After all we are not the body but the Soul and that is what we respect in each other.
at the same time, some devotees may present the fact that SP criticized some of the mayawadi's but we should understand one thing that we should NEVER TRY TO IMITATE. This is also told by HH Radhanath Swami many times in his lectures.
So stop criticizing others and start respecting everyone. Chant hare krishna like this offensively and go back to godhead this very life for it is very difficult to get this in second chance.
Dear prabhus, it is good you want to advance more and more in love for Lord Krsna and His devotees.
Lord Caitanya taught everyone is a devotee in truth but are now covered by forgetfulness. There is no such thing as a mayavadi soul or muslim soul or hindu soul. These are designations for the temporary body. Many misunderstandings are in this world of maya. Why!? Krsna says in Gita. These Rascals fools lowest of mankind those whose knowledge is stolen by illussion and the demons do not surrender to Him the Suupreme Lord. They are attracted by demonic and athieistic veiws. So Lord Krsna gives them repeated severe citisism. And says He will put them into demonic speicies of life birth after birth also!! Have you read what He has said? I am not saying they are fools and rascals It is Krsna who is saying this. And all the devotees are repeating what they have heard from Him in disciplic succession. And it is accepted as authority. So if the fools and demons are sometimes citicised we shoud know it is for their benefit. Do not be afraid of repeating what Krsna is teaching. We are not intrested in mundane popularity but in actually heiping them come out of this maya. We are not anyones enemy but they may become angry that we appear to not respect there opinions about Krsna. Rather we oppose them in their mayavadi impersonalism which we find intollerable. Blasphemous nonsense.
Devotees express thre love for the Lord as the Pandavas did heaing Sisupala. This anger of the devotee is not material. It is transcendental loving emotion for the Lord. This can be understood by all the devotees but not nondevotees. They will think it our arrogance. So please read carefully the Gita and Bhagavat and you will not become critical of the devotees. Critisism is there always. It has to be used for the pleasure of the Lord. I hope this can help you understand something. Krsna will help from within. Hare Krsna
Jagadatma das > Caitanya Mahaprabhu (das)LOK.June 10, 2011 at 1:36pm
Hare Krsana prabhuji! i am just doing a little that I hope will encorage you to have loving feelings for the Lord and His devotees. This is personalism. We give our heart felt feelings. So if we hear critisism of Krsna direct or indirect we will not tolerate it. We must react by either stopping it or leave that place. If you say nothing, do nothing you will loose your Bhakti. Bhakti Devi will consider being with you intollerable. We have freindship with the devotees, show mercy to the inocent and we must avoid the demons, and those who are inimical to pure bhakti. To do this you need tollence and patiance . Be gentle kind and forgiving.
Hare Krishna !! I'm a devotee of Sri Krishna, but when I went through some of the discussions in the forum I found many devotees criticizing mayavadis and people like Sai baba, Vivekananda, Sri Ramakrishna paramahansa etc. They also find quotes, newsletter publications during the days of Acharya Prabhupada on his views/opinions about them.
One thing I realized was that when Acharya Sankaracharya (the Advaita guru) was nearing the end of his avatara purpose, he emphasized 'Bhaja Govindham' as the last resort to cross Samsara rather than mere reading of scriptures and contemplating on the ideas that arise from them. Similarly, Acharya Prabhupada on his deathbed, when he found the people of ISKCON wasting their precious time on vain arguments with other religious institutions/beliefs/personalities, just emphasized on stopping criticism of people, but rather spend that time on Krishna Nama Sankirtana and service of Krishna & his devotees, which is precisely the need of the hour.
So, I too don't realize why we spend time in vain criticism of other beliefs. Let us believe in the power of 'Krishna nama' to fill our hearts with love, so that other people get naturally attracted by the genuine and pure 'Krishna prema' and one day realize the Absolute Truth as Sri Krishna.
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Please accep my dandabat pranam. Thank you prabhu for your kind words. It is my good fortune to have nice devotee sanga like this. Hare Krsna,,
hare krishna.
I am not sure what exactly the devotees wanted to convey in the lecture you heard. However from what i have heard from His Holliness Radhanath Swami Maharaj's lectures we must offer all the respect to every one and expect none for our self. Only then one can chant the holly name of the Lord constantly (amaaniya maana dena kirtaniya sada Harihe). Also I have heard from other devotees that Srila Prabhupada has told us to even offer dandavat pranam to a Sanyasi even if he is a mayawadi. After all we are not the body but the Soul and that is what we respect in each other.
at the same time, some devotees may present the fact that SP criticized some of the mayawadi's but we should understand one thing that we should NEVER TRY TO IMITATE. This is also told by HH Radhanath Swami many times in his lectures.
So stop criticizing others and start respecting everyone. Chant hare krishna like this offensively and go back to godhead this very life for it is very difficult to get this in second chance.
Hare Krishna.
Dear prabhus, it is good you want to advance more and more in love for Lord Krsna and His devotees.
Lord Caitanya taught everyone is a devotee in truth but are now covered by forgetfulness. There is no such thing as a mayavadi soul or muslim soul or hindu soul. These are designations for the temporary body. Many misunderstandings are in this world of maya. Why!? Krsna says in Gita. These Rascals fools lowest of mankind those whose knowledge is stolen by illussion and the demons do not surrender to Him the Suupreme Lord. They are attracted by demonic and athieistic veiws. So Lord Krsna gives them repeated severe citisism. And says He will put them into demonic speicies of life birth after birth also!! Have you read what He has said? I am not saying they are fools and rascals It is Krsna who is saying this. And all the devotees are repeating what they have heard from Him in disciplic succession. And it is accepted as authority. So if the fools and demons are sometimes citicised we shoud know it is for their benefit. Do not be afraid of repeating what Krsna is teaching. We are not intrested in mundane popularity but in actually heiping them come out of this maya. We are not anyones enemy but they may become angry that we appear to not respect there opinions about Krsna. Rather we oppose them in their mayavadi impersonalism which we find intollerable. Blasphemous nonsense.
Devotees express thre love for the Lord as the Pandavas did heaing Sisupala. This anger of the devotee is not material. It is transcendental loving emotion for the Lord. This can be understood by all the devotees but not nondevotees. They will think it our arrogance. So please read carefully the Gita and Bhagavat and you will not become critical of the devotees. Critisism is there always. It has to be used for the pleasure of the Lord. I hope this can help you understand something. Krsna will help from within. Hare Krsna
Hare Krishna, dear Jagadatma das.
Please accept my humble obeisances. all glories to Srila Prabhupada. All glories to Guru-Maharaja.
Very well said Prabhuji. I totally agree with you. I can accept you as my spiritual master.
Thank you so much.
Radha Radha.
Hare Krishna !! I'm a devotee of Sri Krishna, but when I went through some of the discussions in the forum I found many devotees criticizing mayavadis and people like Sai baba, Vivekananda, Sri Ramakrishna paramahansa etc. They also find quotes, newsletter publications during the days of Acharya Prabhupada on his views/opinions about them.
One thing I realized was that when Acharya Sankaracharya (the Advaita guru) was nearing the end of his avatara purpose, he emphasized 'Bhaja Govindham' as the last resort to cross Samsara rather than mere reading of scriptures and contemplating on the ideas that arise from them. Similarly, Acharya Prabhupada on his deathbed, when he found the people of ISKCON wasting their precious time on vain arguments with other religious institutions/beliefs/personalities, just emphasized on stopping criticism of people, but rather spend that time on Krishna Nama Sankirtana and service of Krishna & his devotees, which is precisely the need of the hour.
So, I too don't realize why we spend time in vain criticism of other beliefs. Let us believe in the power of 'Krishna nama' to fill our hearts with love, so that other people get naturally attracted by the genuine and pure 'Krishna prema' and one day realize the Absolute Truth as Sri Krishna.