Pranam to Sri Vaishnava, please bless me a lot. Please bless me that I will be able to easily avoid offence number 1(blasphemy to Devotees)
I have a question based on Bhagavad Gita Chapter 4 Text 13. Lord Krishna is the cause of all causes, how is it that Lord Krishna is not the doer? What does the non-doer mean? If Lord Krishna is not doer, who is the doer? Is material energy the doer?
TEXT 13
cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ
guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ
tasya kartāram api māṁ
viddhy akartāram avyayam
SYNONYMS
cātur-varṇyam—the four divisions of human society; mayā—by Me; sṛṣṭam—created; guṇa—quality; karma—work; vibhāgaśaḥ—in terms of division; tasya—of that; kartāram—the father; api—although; mām—Me; viddhi—you may know; akartāram—as the non-doer; avyayam—being unchangeable.
TRANSLATION
According to the three modes of material nature and the work ascribed to them, the four divisions of human society were created by Me. And, although I am the creator of this system, you should know that I am yet the non-doer, being unchangeable.
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Hare Krishna,
To explain this in simple terms for you to understand.-
Let us say you made the computer. You designed all the apps in that everything is made by you. Your computer is used by 4 types of people : 1. brahminas 2. Kshetriyas 3. Vaishyas 4. shudras. You know ur system works for all the types of people the same way. Isn't it? It doesn't show any partiality for one sect. of the people.
A brahmina may use the computer for learning more about God and becoming spiritual and lead a good life as a brahmina is driven by the Satva guna mode.
A kshetriya may use the computer for trying to find data relating to any disruption or fights in the world and react to it by showing anger or frustration as a Kshetriya is driven by the Rajasik guna mode.
A vaishya may use the computer to build his business by making a website etc. He is more driven by the force of rajasik+ tamsic mode of mateiral nature.
A shudra might use the same computer for finding a pleasure by going to forbidden websites to enjoy his life .. as he is mostly driven by Tamasik nature.
Now The person who made the computer ( here is LORD) .. and He made this world ( He is the doer) YES OR NO?
YES , he did made this world. So, He is the doer.
But, again.. He is not responsible for the actions performed by the brahmin or kshetriya or vaishya or shudra.
He is doer at the same time a non doer. How can the person who made the computer or the world is responsible for each person's actions?
U sow u reap. Land is owned by Lord. doesn't mean whatever u sow HE will be the sufferer/ enjoyer. The person who is using the resources reaps the benefits or suffers the consequences of his/ her activities. So the doer is who now?
I hope it helps?
Hare Krishna
Hare Krsna
how is it that Lord Krishna is not the doer?
na me pārthāsti kartavyaṁ
triṣu lokeṣu kiñcana
nānavāptam avāptavyaṁ
varta eva ca karmaṇi
O son of Pṛthā, there is no work prescribed for Me within all the three planetary systems. Nor am I in want of anything, nor have I a need to obtain anything – and yet I am engaged in prescribed duties.(BG 3.23)
Lord Sri Krsna is not in want of anything. There are no rules of vedas that are applicable upon Sri Krsna. Lord Krsna does is not limited by material rules/nature/obligations. So although he is engaged in activities he is not bound by any action or result.
What does the non-doer mean?
na ca māṁ tāni karmāṇi
nibadhnanti dhanañ-jaya
udāsīna-vad āsīnam
asaktaṁ teṣu karmasu
O Dhanañjaya, all this work cannot bind Me. I am ever detached from all these material activities, seated as though neutral. ( BG 9.)
It means Sri Krisna is always neutral. He is not attached or averse to any action or results.
If Lord Krishna is not doer, who is the doer? Is material energy the doer?
prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni
guṇaiḥ karmāṇi sarvaśaḥ
ahaṅkāra-vimūḍhātmā
kartāham iti manyate
The spirit soul bewildered by the influence of false ego thinks himself the doer of activities that are in actuality carried out by the three modes of material nature.(BG 3.27)
Activities are carried out by the modes of material nature.
Hare Krsna
Servus aus Hamburg! Beim Stöbern bin ich auf demo aviator gestoßen und war sofort begeistert. Es ist so spannend, das Flugzeug zu beobachten und zu entscheiden, wann man aussteigt. Während einer meiner Runden habe ich es geschafft, meine Einsätze zu vervielfachen, bevor das Flugzeug abgestürzt ist. Das Timing ist alles, und es hat mir wirklich Spaß gemacht, das zu perfektionieren. Ich denke, viele in Deutschland würden das auch genießen.
Hare Krsna
Here non doer means that although Lord Krsna is the creator of everything, inspite creating the four orders of human society, He does not belong to any of these divisions, because He is not one of the conditioned souls. The above mentioned divisions have been created by the Lord for the systematic development of Krsna consciousness.
Hari Bol