In both Mahabharatha and Bhagavatham , and in some other sastras like Manudharma, there are discussions on animal Sacrifice and meat eating
All these scriptures agree on one point viz., " Killing animals is not a sin in sacrifice. Otherwise a great sin."
But still, we can find some statements against even animal Sacrifices which is not considered as sin.
The question that arises here is that if animal Sacrifices are sanctioned by scriptures, then why there are conflicting statements which oppose animal Sacrifices ?
statements which sanction animal Sacrifices
https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07064.htm
Of rigid vows and always engaged in due performance of sacrifices, countless animals, desirous of going to heaven, used to come to him of their own accord. 2 So large was the number of animals sacrificed in the Agnihotra of that king that the secretions flowing from his kitchen from the heaps of skins deposited there caused a veritable river which from this circumstance, came to be called the Charmanwati.
https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07064.htm
The sacred fire is fond of animal food,' this saying has come down to us. And at sacrifices animals are invariably killed by regenerate Brahmanas, and these animals being purged of sin, by incantation of hymns, go to heaven. If, O Brahmana, the sacred fire had not been so fond of animal food in ancient times, it could never have become the food of any one
ŚB 6.4.9, ŚB 10.69.35, ŚB 10.58.15-16
https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01229.htm
"Then those foremost of car-warriors (Krishna and Arjuna), riding in their cars and placing themselves on opposite sides of that forest, began a great slaughter, on all sides, of the creatures dwelling in Khandava"
"The birds that took wings to escape from that conflagration were pierced by Arjuna with his shafts, and cut into pieces, they fell down into the burning element below. Pierced all over with Arjuna's shafts, the birds dropped down into the burning forest, uttering loud cries."
https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-mahabharata-mohan/d/doc826441.html
The audition is heard that animals were created for sacrifice. They who eat flesh in any other way are said to follow the Rakshasa practice.
Bhishma said, Listen to me as I tell you what the ordinance is that has been laid down for the Kshatriyas. They do not incur any fault by eating flesh that has been acquired by expenditure of prowess. All deer of the wilderness were dedicated to the deities and the Pitris in days of old, O king, by Agastya. Hence, the hunting of deer is not censured.
statements which oppose animal Sacrifices
https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m12/m12b092.htm
Wine, fish, honey, meat, alcohol, and preparations of rice and sesame seeds, have been introduced by knaves. The use of these (in sacrifices) is not laid down in the Vedas. The hankering after these arises from pride, error of judgment, and cupidity. They that are true Brahmanas realise the presence of Vishnu in every sacrifice. His worship, it has been laid down, should be made with agreeable Payasa.
https://sacred-texts.com/hin/m12/m12c037.htm
The Rishis said, The opinion entertained by us, O king, is that sacrifices should be performed with grain. The deities, however, maintain that sacrifices should be performed with animals. Do thou judge between us and tell us which of these opinions is correct.'
"Bhishma continued, 'Learning what the opinion was that was entertained by the deities, Vasu, moved by partiality for them, said that sacrifices should be performed with animals. At this answer, all the Rishis, endued with the splendour of the Sun, became very angry. Addressing Vasu who was seated on his car and who had (wrongly) taken up the side of the deities, they said unto him,--Since thou hast (wrongly) taken up the side of the deities, do thou fall down from heaven.
And those hardcore hindutwa vadis who argue that vedas or scriptures didn't sanction meateating . They argue that verses were mistranslated.
They also say that some britishers polluted and twisted the scriptures with interpolations and mistranslations.
Note : Only persons with good knowledge of scriptures are welcome. Quoating with references is appreciated.
This question is not for brainwashers who do not show any references.
Thank you
Replies
All together Srimad Bhagavad-gita as it is, Srimad Bhagavatam and Sri Caitanya-caritamrta is not less 25,000 pages. In all those pages you cannot find a single word of praise for Muhammad and for which you have the audacity to offend the spiritual master.
Tera dimag theek hai?
You senseless fellow, first talk about the link I sent to you.
Tera dimag theek hai tho muhammad ko prophet kyu bolegaa tu, idiot ?
That link is not from the books of Prabhupada. I saw your link. There may be some conversations from morning walk also. But, Prabhupada said I will go on living in my books and not morning walk conversations.
As far as I'm concerned I might say something and do something opposite the next moment.
Mera kya bharosa?
Afterall, Who am I?
What's my value?
Prabhupada said the same thing. He doesn't say in my opinion. He quotes the previous acaryas.
Aur tum unko hi keh raho ho bhai galti hogi tum se, maan lo.
Arey, Drishti ke andhe, Prabhupada is not ordinary soul like us. You dare criticize him. I should run away from this place.
O Ranga
Unless you properly see that in all activities (be they Muslim or non Muslim) no other performer is at work than these modes of nature and you know Krishna, who is transcendental to all these modes, how will you attain your original spiritual nature?
Yes show in the books and I will ask for your forgiveness.
You fool, first tell me if that link is your ISKCON or not. If it is ISKCON , do you want to say that these are liars ?
I can show you in books of Prabhupada. What if I show ? Will you ask for forgiveness from me ?
I know, you will again shout " Blessed be the Prophet ,he didn't hate any one ".
You lost composure , jumping from english to hindi.
One time you say, " Show the proof ". After showing proof , again you will say " Blessed be the Prophet ,he didn't hate any one ". Why do you ask for proof then ?
You say " I hate cow murderers " and next moment you will say "Blessed be the Prophet ,he didn't hate any one".
Are muslims cow lovers ? stupid..
Like a cat whose legs are burnf , you are jumping here and there.
This is what happens if you don't stick to the truth.
Arey fool, I am not afraid of anyone as long as I speak truth. Whether it is Prabhupada or Krishna. Mistake is mistake.
Moreover I said He did a mistake. Bcz of your ego, you are thinking that I offended him.
" Mera kya bharosa? Afterall, Who am I? What's my value?
Now you came to right path. Don't jump like a cat again.
Now you go and do your Bhajan and ask Krishna to forgive you for praising cow murderers.
Hare Krishna,
Any person ( jiva tattva) who is raising a voice against something and is followed by 1000's of people who is leading a big mass of people for any cause ( be it bhakti or mukti, or animal rights or against rapists or against corruption ) and who is making 1000's of people who change and accept him is said to be having Shaki and avesha.
Just like in telugu we say " Ammavaru poonindi" meaning " uske upar shakti ( goddess) aa gayi hai.
means that the person at that perticular instance of time having the avesham ( the energy) of amma ( goddess /shakti). After sometime that person comes back to his originality.
In that sense we can say. Jesus, buddha and Mohammad were doing something for humanity they made people who no idea of God....... know that there is God or Self awareness /nirvana in case of Buddha.
Now that doesn't mean they are Vishnu tattva. They are Jiva tattva only and Srila Prabhupada clarified it when asked -
"Lord Jesus Christ or Lord Buddha, they come within the jīva-tattva especial power."
Even for instance=> Ranga Krishna tomorrow makes this a big hype of TV and media about the animal slaughter and run a rally and turn 1000's of people into vegans. Thant Mr. Ranga Krishna will be called Shaktyavesha avatara.
Because he is turning people towards a cause. Able to make so many follow his path. But Ranga Krishna is simply a Jiva tattva not having any Vishnu tattva. He just has avesham ( /emotional/rage) and Shakti ( power to change many people.
Take in positive sense. And never insult a Vaishnava who sacrificed his whole like for Krishna and spread Krishna name, opened so many temples, Spread the glories of Krishna in various continents and also Who chanted Holy name of Lord daily whole life time. It is a big sin. Krishna may not be happy.
If you start to chant max. 1 -2 mala it is possible sometimes we do 16 mala next day we may not have any mood. This is how we are So, we have no right to even point out at a person who has chanted whole life.
Pride is very bad. When we are prideful we do such comments on others. Srila Prabhupada is a very elderly man than you.... plus he is not even there now to defend against you.
So better you say sorry internally to Srila Prabhupada. Even a vaishnava will forgive but Krishna wont forgive if any one insults a Pure devotee.
So just becareful and donate Tulasi plant to some pure devotee.
Hare Krishna
Gayatri devi ji,
We accept holymen like Parasurama, narada, vyasa etc as saktyavesa. But not monsters for simply having strenth. Plz understand.
I didn't make any baseless allegations. Did not Prabhupada glorify muhammad . Was not a muhammad a demon who established demoniac religion ? Is not quran a proof ?
Were not Prabhupada glorification recorded by iskcon fellows and present in iskcon websites.
what is this ?
https://www.harekrsna.de/artikel/islam.htm
https://krishna.org/a-call-to-the-muslims-of-the-world-from-a-group...
I will surely beg pardon if I made baseless allegations .
Hare Krishna,
What I understand is SP ji wanted to make all of them come back to Krishna consciousness. In a sweet way.
He didn't want to fight.
Vaishnavas are witty.
If you want to convert a demon also. We praise the demon.
demon will fall trap to the praising.. and come under
It is Very tough to establish a NEW religion in foreign country. Where the dominant religion is Christianity. Christans could change their path.. but this man became old by than. You must understand... Still he tried a lot to make Krishna available for many people across the world. I appreciate him for that.
Srila Prabhupada acted like Lord Vishnu tactically. Internally he also knows how demoness can be subdued.
If you fight. we become bad. But if we act nice and subdue the demon Like how Bhasmasura was put his own hand on his head and became a heap of ashes.
All the that we know is ALL ARE SOULS and all souls are even if the demon doesn't know..
We know that the demon is also having a soul and soul is a part and parcel of the Supreme Lord
how to make demon subdue?
to convert them to Krishna consciousness...
If you say demon.. and show red firey eyes at it it will naturally as it is stronger than you will fight and you lose your base.
Indirectly say to the demon.. arey demon.. you are also part of Krishna. You also have Narayana Amsha in you.. you fool. You don't know but i know.. ( WHEN HIRANAYKASHYAP Was torturing little Prahalaad... Little Prahalaada didn't say not a harsh word against him ..because the position of the devotee is.. he knows exactly that all are kids of the same Supreme Lord.)
Shut them up and make them understand........By praising them.... THIS IS ACTUAL preaching without HARMING......... samjha karo this is what SP ji did to establish Krishna in western countries... If possible we could use that Vishnu's tactics to preach .... ( Bhasmasura ).. get back to Krishna consciousness that is a biggest achievement. If not possible the resort is to protection of dharma by use of weapons... firstly we must try tactical approach.. first TRUCE.. friendly way explain... third step fight.
The secret of Preaching is "wink wink" subdue the demon in all people ( EVERYONE ONE of us is a Demon ) removeand burn it into ashes.. then the left over is only pure consciousness that is belonging to Krishna
We never be harsh to anyone during preaching.
A first class preacher knows clearly that all are part and parcel of Supreme Personality of Godhead and they don't try to hurt anyone.
But if things turning bad. ( Like in the case of Mahabharata.... we are not going to keep praising them... We are going to retaliate and wage a war also). This is fight for justice.
Hare Krishna
Then he should have gone to muslim countries. Did he ?
If you think he tried to pamper muslim demons by gloryfying their head, then why did he bully mayavadis ?
There are some exmuslims . They read quran and observing the acts of terrorist demons, they understood that quran is provoking them to murder people in the name of Allah . They understood that muhammad was an evil man.
This is how they leave Islam. Not by glorifying Muhammad.
If you glorify muhammad, they will not say harekrishna, rather they will become terrorists.