Lord Krishna as Supreme God

Hare Krishna 

Dandwat Pranam 

Recently I saw some websites preaching  Sant Rampal ji as  an avatar of Sant Kabir whom he considers as supreme. When I started reading about Sant Rampal ji I saw that he did many miracles infront of media though he is in jail. He cured diseases and brought dead back to life. He claimed that Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva are not immortal and that Lord Vishnu is 7 times older than Lord Brahma and Lord Shiva is 14 times older than Lord Vishnu as mentioned in Vishnu Purana and he also said that Lord Vishnu Lord Brahma and Lord Shiva are sons of Maa Durga and Brahm(kaal) as mentioned in Devi Bhagwata purana why so and also that Lord Vishnu is not supreme as mentioned in Shiv Purana . He and his followers also claim that 

Gita Adhyay 18 provides Knowledge about other supreme god other than the giver of the knowledge of Gita like 

YatH prvrttibhootanaM yen sarvmidM tatam
Swakarmna tambhyachrya siddhiM vindati manavH || 46 ||

Glorifying the supreme power, Kaal says to Arjun “The God from whom all living beings have originated and from whom this whole world has pervaded, by worshipping God through the performance of one’s natural activities, a man attains supreme spiritual success”.

EeSvaraH sarvabhootaanaaM hRuddESE Arjuna tiShThati |
Bhraamayan sarvabhootaani yantraarooDhaani maayayaa || 61 ||

The giver of the knowledge of Gita (Kaal) says ‘O Arjun, the Supreme God manages the wanderings of the souls like figurines on a whirligig according to their karma (deeds) and resides within the hearts of all living beings

Tam Eva SaraNaM gachCa sarvabhaavEna bhaarata |Tatprasaadaat paraaM SaantiM sthaanaM praapsyasi SaaSvatam || 62 || 

“Oh Descendent of Bharat, Arjun! You, in every respect, go in the refuge of only that Supreme God. By the grace of that Supreme God, you will attain the supreme peace and will attain the eternal abode – Satlok (place-dhaam)”.

SarvaguhyatamaM bhooyaH SRuNu mE paramaM vachaH |IShT Osi mE dRuDham iti tatO vakShyaami tE hitam || 64 ||

By saying this when Arjun did not reply, the giver of the knowledge of Gita further says ‘O Arjun, I will again say the most confidential of all confidential, my utmost mysterious beneficial words to you, listen to these-this Purna Brahm (complete God) is also my definite venerable God”.

Here, the giver of the knowledge of Gita means that Param Akshar Purush (Supreme God) is also my definite venerable God (Ishtdev), ie. He is worthy to be worshipped. I am also in His refuge. I also worship Him. (see Adhyay 15 Shlok 4)

Gita Adhyay 13 Shlok 24- Arbitrary way of worship is useless

Adhyay 13 Shlok 24 

Dhyānen ātmani paśyanti kechit ātmānam ātmanā |Anye sāṅkhyena yogena karmayogena chā apare || 24 ||

“Oh, Arjun! To attain that supreme abode/the eternal place some do meditation, few others perform ‘Gyanyog’ like ‘doing Kirtan or recite path (read religious books)’, some get divine experience by performing religious deeds. 

Note: To attain Supreme God, the soul needs to be purified by chanting salvation mantras Satnam and Sarnam. Kaal/Kshar Purush does not provide that spiritual knowledge. He tells that they should chant ‘OM’. By chanting the ‘OM’ mantra souls can at the most attain Swarg (Heaven) or Mahaswarg (Supreme Heaven) but they remain in recurrence, this means they will not get devotees complete salvation

He also claimed 

UttamaH puruśhH tu anyaH Paramātma iti udāhṛtH |YaH lokatrayam āviśhya bibhartyi avyyaH īiśhwarH || 17 ||

The Supreme God is, however, someone else, who by entering into the three loks, sustains everyone and is called as Eternal Supreme God.

Note: Supreme God who is unchanging ie. is ‘eternal’ in reality, the Guru of the universe (Jagat Guru), the basis of the soul; who takes those who have gone to Satlok after becoming completely liberated, to Satlok, the creator of all the brahamands, who does not betray like Kaal (Brahm) is, as it is, Himself KavirDev ie. God Kabir.

Adhyay 15 Shlok 4 provides information how can seekers attain Satlok-Sachkhand

Adhyay 15 Shlok 4

TatH padaṃ tat parimārgitavyaṃ yasmin gatāaH na nivartanti bhūyH |Tam ev ch aadyaṃ puruśhaṃ prpadhye yatH prvṛttiH prsṛtā purāaṇī || 4 ||

After that one should search for that Supreme place (Satlok-Sachkhand). Having attained whom, human beings do not return to the world (in the vicious cycle of birth and rebirth) and from whom this ancient creation-nature/Srishti has extended. I am also in the refuge of that Aadi Purush Parmatma only. With firmness, one should worship Him (the complete God) and no one else.

He also divided God according to Brahma PurnaBrahman and Parbrahm and he also said that Kaal entering Sri Krishna's body said Bhagavad Gita

Gita Adhyay 11, Shlok 47, Speaker of Gita-Kaal says 

This is my actual Kaal form. Nobody can see this ie. attain Brahm by any method mentioned in the Vedas, or by jap, tap, or by any other activity.

This proves that the speaker of pious Gita Ji is not Lord Krishna but someone else (Kaal / Brahm), who says ‘I am an enlarged Kaal’. He counsels Arjun to fight the battle, imparts knowledge and describes who is the Supreme God? who should be worshipped by devotees to attain eternal world and supreme peace ie. salvation. 

After reading ,it shook my faith so pls someone refute all this 

Hare Krishna 

Radha Radha

 

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  • Sevak

    Hare Krsna 

    After reading ,it shook my faith

    Please forgive me for not being able to believe this despite my best efforts. In so many threads your questions mainly lead  to mayavada. Of all the quotations you have provided, you have only provided mayavada references. These are all characteristics of bogus mayavadis  who are Krsna aparadhis as mentioned by lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. I am not saying you are a mayavadi, but these are the characteristics of mayavadis, who  many times previously have tried to contaminate these forums trying to spread their bogus and offensive envious philosophy. They have never scucceded in past, they will never succeed in present or in future. 

    This proves that the speaker of pious Gita Ji is not Lord Krishna but someone else

    No it doesn't. If someone thinks so, then the don't have any understanding whatesoever of any of these words - Proof, Speaker, Gita, Lord Sri Krsna. 

    Pls someone refute all this 

    The onus of proving something as ridiculous as this is upon the one who is trying to spread such ignorance.

    As mentioned earlier 2+3 = ? has only one correct answer. It is a not an intelligent idea for anyone to prove that 2+3 is not equal to 6. Because there are infinite wrong answers. 

    Someone who believes such bogus claims probably has not even read Bhagavad Gita. Because one shloka is sufficient to refute all such bogus mayavadi claims by bogus ignorant envious people 

    चञ्चलं हि मन: कृष्ण प्रमाथि बलवद्दृढम् ।
    तस्याहं निग्रहं मन्ये वायोरिव सुदुष्करम् ॥ ३४ ॥
    cañcalaṁ hi manaḥ kṛṣṇa
    pramāthi balavad dṛḍham
    tasyāhaṁ nigrahaṁ manye
    vāyor iva su-duṣkaram
    The mind is restless, turbulent, obstinate and very strong, O Kṛṣṇa, and to subdue it, I think, is more difficult than controlling the wind. (BG 6.34)
     
    Hare Krsna 
    Param Vijayate Sri Krsna Sankirtanam
    • Hare Krishna Prabhuji 

       

      Thank you for answering and I am sorry and ask sincerely for forgiveness if I have committed any mistake but my motive was not that as I just wanted to clear my doubts I had for long time on this forum. 

      Hare Krishna 

      Radha Radha 

      • Sevak

        Hare Krsna 

         I just wanted to clear my doubts I had for long time on this forum. 

        Those who have doubts do not copy paste entire praragraphs from bogus mayavadi websites in the forums of Iskcon Desire Tree. However bogus mayavadis do such things. They also bogusly claim to have doubts. But just as their philosphy, it is all one huge bogus. 

         I am sorry and ask sincerely for forgiveness 

        It is not possible to forgive when bogus words are stated by bogus people, follow bogus guurs and bogus pohilosophy. 

        Hare Krsna

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