Hare Krishna,Isn't there will be any possibility that if we are go back to Godhead, go back to Krishna and then we AGAIN have the same envious and fall back again to this material world?I asked some authority and get this answer... " Once we did a mistake we will learn from our mistake and we will not repeat it"'I am so confused as a living entity we cant remember our past so wouldn't we do the same mistakes?Please guide me....Hare Krishna
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Hare Krsna!
Krsna says in the Gita" na tad gatva nivartante tad dhaamam Paramam mama"
Meaning that once we get liberated we will never again return to this material world.....also we may understand that after going through repeated birth and death ....we will learn quite a good lesson!
Hence will never feel envious of the lord....especially after getting Krsna prema....
Your servant,
Amarnath Das
Mohini Madhavi > Sarvopama dasa ACBSPJune 28, 2012 at 3:51pm
Hare Krishna Sarvopama Prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
i am sure that answer to this question You already know Prabhuji, but asking it to help us to understand something.
Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita that one who goes back to Home never ever will come back again to this world.
In this way if we have faith in His words than we won't come back again. But sometimes pure Devotees voluntarily come back again in order to preach the glories of the Holy Names and help to us fallen souls to go back Home. As Srila Prabhupada told to one of his disciple do not make me to come back again just to deliver you when that disciple told him if he can stay for 2-3 lives more here in order to preach ...
Yes, Bhaktin Maral, we may think that we are quite fallen. Nevertheless we have to attempt to become pure enough to go back home, back to Godhead in this lifetime or die trying. Quitting is not an option. A pure devotee is even willing to go to hell to deliver the residents there. Srila Prabhupada left Punya Bhumi and went to Pap Bhumi to liberate the mlecchas and yavanas. In this way he performed a great miracle.
in this topic we saw Devotees saying we were initially with Krishna playing (according to our won positions in Spiritual World) but we get bored there and became envious of Krishna and had our fall down to material world.
What is the reference of this ?
IYF People supports the believe above (Idea mentioned above gives a Image of krishna who don't like people who are not obedient to him) but Devotees of Bengal say we were at spiritual Platform, But we were not in any relation with Krishna. Devotees say "taste of service is such that one can never fall from Vaikuntha"
How this Idea Evolved and Why all the devotees of ISKCON doesn't support this IDEA ?
(I am directly Mentioning IYF and Voice But I have no Intention to offend them. I am just curios to know how this Idea came in ISKCON )
Good to mention That Great Devotees Like Jaya, Vijay and our Goswamis didn't fall from spiritual World, rather they are sent to fulfill the arrangement. Pure Devotees some times disclose their spiritual Identity because possibly they are sent from spiritual World (unlike us). "What I was there in spiritual world?" is may be a bogus question.
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Krsna says in the Gita" na tad gatva nivartante tad dhaamam Paramam mama"
Meaning that once we get liberated we will never again return to this material world.....also we may understand that after going through repeated birth and death ....we will learn quite a good lesson!
Hence will never feel envious of the lord....especially after getting Krsna prema....
Your servant,
Amarnath Das
Hare Krishna Prehuji Thank you for your guideness in this issue, which is really a direction for one lost soul.
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Do we fall from the spiritual world or do we voluntarily come to the material world to offer help?
Hare Krishna Sarvopama Prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!
i am sure that answer to this question You already know Prabhuji, but asking it to help us to understand something.
Krishna says in Bhagavad Gita that one who goes back to Home never ever will come back again to this world.
In this way if we have faith in His words than we won't come back again. But sometimes pure Devotees voluntarily come back again in order to preach the glories of the Holy Names and help to us fallen souls to go back Home. As Srila Prabhupada told to one of his disciple do not make me to come back again just to deliver you when that disciple told him if he can stay for 2-3 lives more here in order to preach ...
Your servant,
Yes, Bhaktin Maral, we may think that we are quite fallen. Nevertheless we have to attempt to become pure enough to go back home, back to Godhead in this lifetime or die trying. Quitting is not an option. A pure devotee is even willing to go to hell to deliver the residents there. Srila Prabhupada left Punya Bhumi and went to Pap Bhumi to liberate the mlecchas and yavanas. In this way he performed a great miracle.
hare krishna.dandvat pranam.
once we go back to spiritual world,we do not fall down.
we remember our higher taste(krishna conciousness) and lower taste(material conciousness) while going back to spiritual world (at the time of death).
also we remember our higher taste and lower taste while living in spiritual world.
this remembrance saves us from falling down.
in this topic we saw Devotees saying we were initially with Krishna playing (according to our won positions in Spiritual World) but we get bored there and became envious of Krishna and had our fall down to material world.
What is the reference of this ?
IYF People supports the believe above (Idea mentioned above gives a Image of krishna who don't like people who are not obedient to him) but Devotees of Bengal say we were at spiritual Platform, But we were not in any relation with Krishna. Devotees say "taste of service is such that one can never fall from Vaikuntha"
How this Idea Evolved and Why all the devotees of ISKCON doesn't support this IDEA ?
(I am directly Mentioning IYF and Voice But I have no Intention to offend them. I am just curios to know how this Idea came in ISKCON )
the fact is when we enter into Spiritual world we never ever come back again to this material world.
The question may arise why Jaya and Vijay fall. I heard in the lecture that they were not directly in the spiritual world but in the gate.
And it says that souls to this world come only from impersonal brahmajyoti of the Lord.
But sometimes Krishna's eternal servants may come to this world to preach the message of God or help Him to perform His lilas.
As like Rupa and Sanatana Goswamis were Manjaris in the spiritual world. Even Srimati Radharani comes to this world to help to Krishna.
Your servant,
Good to mention That Great Devotees Like Jaya, Vijay and our Goswamis didn't fall from spiritual World, rather they are sent to fulfill the arrangement. Pure Devotees some times disclose their spiritual Identity because possibly they are sent from spiritual World (unlike us). "What I was there in spiritual world?" is may be a bogus question.
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