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why srila prabhupada was against Osho

srila prabhupada and Osho were contemporary . They both had a philosophy as opposed to each other .

what were the core difference between these two . Why osho's school of thought was unacceptable to srila prabhupada !!!!!

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  • Just in case you had any sentiments towards Osho, please read this and reconsider. I prefer not to post this, but I feel it's important to defend Srila Prabhupada against such charlatan 'gurus' .... 

    "In another report Anando has showed me, he has called me a charlatan. In this report he calls me a scoundrel. But one thing is certain, that he is more interested in me than in his own great idiot who created the Hare Krishna movement, Prabhupada. He should talk about him, not about me.

    They will talk about me and they will say that I am not worth considering. And they can’t see the contradiction - so clear, in the same statement, that I am following them wherever they are, disturbing their sleep, cutting their roots, and they have nothing to defend.

    I have criticized Krishna. That’s why they are angry. Prabhupada was very angry, because I had called him a dodo. But he was a dodo. He was teaching those people celibacy which necessarily brings sexual perversion. He was teaching these people begging. He was teaching these people that you need not do anything except repeat continuously “Hare Krishna, Hare Rama.” This is a sure way of destroying anybody’s intelligence. These are the methods of programming. Now if somebody thinks that this is enough to transform your consciousness, that whatever you are doing you go on chanting inside, loudly or silently, “Hare Krishna, Hare Rama,” dancing in the street, “Hare Krishna, Hare Rama” - because only these two words will be continuously hammered. All your subtle cells, your whole system of mind, will be spoiled. It is not made only for two words. It will not be used, and unused those delicate cells start dying. So first the idiots get attracted, and if by chance somebody has some little intelligence, then these methods will destroy it. These people are continuously chanting - not knowing that repetition of a single word or a single mantra is going to kill your intelligence. Intelligence needs to be sharpened in new areas, new dimensions. It has to move into the unknown. “Hare Krishna, Hare Rama” - it becomes stuck there. Prabhupada was angry because he could not answer my criticism of Krishna. If he was honest, and if these people are honest - this Goswami - then they will call Shri Krishna the greatest scoundrel ever. He forcibly collected sixteen thousand women as his wives, without marrying them - and they were all married, they had children, they had husbands.but he was powerful, fascist. Any woman he liked was immediately taken to his palace, without any consideration of what will happen to the children. Sixteen thousand women! No other man in the whole of history has been so ugly."

    • Chapter 16: The Divine and Demoniac Natures

      TEXT 8

      They say that this world is unreal, that there is no foundation and that there is no God in control. It is produced of sex desire, and has no cause other than lust.

      TEXT 18

      Bewildered by false ego, strength, pride, lust and anger, the demon becomes envious of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, who is situated in his own body and in the bodies of others, and blasphemes against the real religion

      Chapter 7: Knowledge of the Absolute

      TEXT 13
      Deluded by the three modes [goodness, passion and ignorance], the whole world does not know Me who am above the modes and inexhaustible.
      TEXT 24
      Unintelligent men, who know Me not, think that I have assumed this form and personality. Due to their small knowledge, they do not know My higher nature, which is changeless and supreme.

      Chapter 9: The Most Confidential Knowledge

      TEXT 11

      Fools deride Me when I descend in the human form. They do not know My transcendental nature and My supreme dominion over all that be.

      Chapter 16: The Divine and Demoniac Natures

      TEXTS 1-3

      The Blessed Lord said: Fearlessness, purification of one's existence, cultivation of spiritual knowledge, charity, self-control, performance of sacrifice, study of the Vedas, austerity and simplicity; nonviolence, truthfulness, freedom from anger; renunciation, tranquility, aversion to faultfinding, compassion and freedom from covetousness; gentleness, modesty and steady determination; vigor, forgiveness, fortitude, cleanliness, freedom from envy and the passion for honor-these transcendental qualities, O son of Bharata, belong to godly men endowed with divine nature.

      THE FACT THAT RAJNEESH, RAJNEESHPURAM IS ALMOST FORGOTTEN AND NON EXISTENT WHILE PRABHUPADA'S ISKCON IS EVER GROWING, RELEVANT AND FAMOUS IS ENOUGH PROOF  TO SHOW WHOSE PHILOSOPHY IS GREATER.

      THE TRUTH WILL ALWAYS PREVAIL

      HARE KRISHNA

  • Hare Krishna Atul Kamboj Prabhuji!!!!

    Dandvat!!!!!!Please Accept My Humble Obesiances!!!!!!!! All Glories to Srila Prabhupad!!!!!!!!!! Radhey! Radhey! Gaurango Jai Jai! Hari Hari!

    Prabhuji i would like to tell you in very short that Osho is a great rascal who is defaming our vedic culture from his atheist lecture and video and swiping away the poor generation from actual truth.  I came to know about this when i watched one of his video about our demigods.

    Where he was raising a question mark on Lord Ganesha,  saying how can there be a God with elephant face.  So directly he was denying our demigods and our Vedic Culture.

    You can not compare to His Divine Grace A.C. Bhakti Vedant Swami Srila Prabhupad along with Osho.  

    Your Humble Servant

  • Sri guru gauranga jayatah

         I shall try to discuss the differences btw osho and prabhu pad using references from gita, bhagavatam and one of the lectures of osho.

             I'm not interested in making judgement or passing comments, but just to inform. It may be lengthy but please do go through fully.

     

    • I will touch some points from the above class (do read)and discuss.

    1)the first section says religion of past is outdated and illogical, an example of Bullock cart and spaceship he gives. While involved with spaceship we must forget the Bullock cart, it's of no use. So why not be similarly be rational about religion. Y are v sentimental and superstitious he says.

          He gives another comparison btw Newton and Einstein. Although Newton contributed something, still with the contribution of Einstein,newton was finished. He is only in pages of history.

        The first section says that v should not follow wat was previously followed in past And practice the new thing in present.

    1. ## refutation##- " dharmamtu saksad bhagavat pranitam" religion is the word of God. Now the examples of Newton or Bullock cart may be suitable for what is not perfect,but is evolving. But God is perfect and absolute, so what He says is also perfect and complete. It cannot be outdated or corrected , the imperfect beings of this word not need to make new changes to it. In fact dharma or religion is the intrinsic nature of the eternal jiva. Just like sweetness is dharma of sugar, liquidity is dharma of water, same way jiva s dharma can't be changes wrt past present etc... 

    2) from 3rd section, 

    ~god is nothing but the creation of their fear

    ~its their imagination,their projection

    ~"God created man in His own image" absolutely wrong he says "man made God in his own image"

    ~u are praying to ur own invention, so prayer is an absurd thing.i ts like kneeling before own reflection in mirror and asking for favours.

          In essence here he says there z no such person as God , God is just some concoction. (This sounds similar to mayavadis calling God as Maya,illusion).

    ~ I don't see any God created the world.

    ~u are never going to meet God and say hello to Him ,how are you? I've been looking fr u fr 1000s of years ,where are u hiding?

    ## this appears to be sahajiya mentality ,reducing God to an ordinary being. He seems to rely on sense perception to contact God. He thinks God is a cheap slave whu will show up when called for at our will.

      **Throughout we can see how he has made statements without any references to authentic source of knowledge. It's juSt his opinion, and anyone can similarly make statements. I can say I'm the PM of country, doesn't it sound illogical. But with reference the govt laws we can enquire and know who actually is the PM isnit.

         This we can see in the classes and books of prabhu pad. What he says, he gives reference to it from the sastra quoting from gita, SB,upanisad,padma our an etc.. if u have read his books or heard him u will observe this. He doesn't make up his own philosophy, he just repeats the words of authorities namely the knowledge descending from krsna through parampara( evam parampara praptam  ....BG).

       All our acharyas have been studied under the expertise of their guru and trained , practised and realised. And all have followed same way.

    3)~there is creativity but no creator

    ~division btw creativity and creator must be dissolved.

    ~worshipping images in temple and church are childish patterns of past , followed by many foolish people. 

    ## this is utterly silly. Can v conceive anything coming into existence by chance. Wen v see any object in this world, we can say that someone made it. Something should come from something. Something can't come from nothing. We have no experience of such a thing at present or in the past. So making such statements without strong evidence is unacceptable. 

        There can be many more things discussed further,but not wanting to make this voluminous I stop here from his wOrds.

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     Now I shall refer some simple verses from kc philosophy.

          Krsna says in gita, 

      $ sarva dharman parityajya.... Abanden all other religious pursuits and surrender to Me ALONE, I shall deliver u from all miseries and award u eternal happy life.

     

    I will end here, if u want more thing to be said I can do so by ur indication. Hare krsna

    Osho World: Osho Talks
  • E-Counselor

    Hare Krsna Atul Prabhuji,

    PAMHO.

    Just to add to what our e-counsellor has said, I agree with him completely.

    I stupidly thought that your question is a genuine question, you are a newcomer trying to understand the difference between two philosophies. I never realised that you are trying to convince followers of the Great Srila Prabhupada that Osho is great. I am sorry, you will not succeed. That is because Srila Prabhupada has spoken what is written in the scriptures. He spoke the truth. There are enough followers of his who have realised that. We have been explained how to differentiate between a genuine guru and a bogus guru, we are not following blindly.

    Like I said, you are free to choose whoever appeals to you - thats your personal choice. But do not enter my house (IDT) to compare my grandfather with someone not at all worthy of mention.

    Just to answer what you have repeatedly said, Rajneesh could have settled with the US authorities and lived a life of luxury - he did not do so. How do you know he didnt try to settle and was unsuccessful? His claim to fame cannot be simply that he did not set up with the US authorities to let him go scotfree. To become a spiritual guru, one has to do a lot more.

    I suggest you read Srila Prabhupada's Lilamtra - the detailed one. Or you could watch on youtube some of the videos searching Srila Prabhupada Memories. You will understand the difference. That is, if you are a genuine seeker and want to understand Srila Prabhupada's greatness. But if you have already taken your call, no issues.We will not try to convince you, expect the same from you.

    Haribol,

    Your servant,

    Rashmi

    • Hare Krsna
      There is no debate here for Srila Prabhupada and Osho are not contemporaries. Osho came later, the nineties. Never did Prabhupada mention him( Osho). Neither does Osho who can be very explicit say anything directly about Prabhupada though he does comment on the Hare Krishna movement but only rarely.
    • I was not convincing to any one anything . I was pouring my thoughts , some queries and confusion . It is nice to find you are doing your job sincerely .

      Hari Bol !!!!

      Whenever i got confronted with spiritual confusion i will visit this website !!!!!

      • E-Counselor

        Dear Atul ji,

        I'm sure that your confusions are cleared and you would be happy taking to Krishna Consciousness with a sincere heart. The assured reciprocation which you will get from Krishna is going to give you further realizations which would be far more superior to researching any other philosophies of the wold. 

        Pls keep in touch. Hope to see you sometime on the way to Krishna.

        Regards,

        Radha Rasikraj Das

        • Very soon !!! or when Krishna gives me a call !!!!

           Hari Bol !!!

          • Hare Krishna Atul ji,

            Osho is indeed a great personality but definitely at a material platform just like there may be millions of followers of Barrack Obama. He might have read more than 1,80,000 books but Bhakti does not come by knowledge. It is Love and purity which attracts God and not your knowledge. 

            One has to clear his heart from pride then only Krishna (God) stays there. I would regard him as most unfortunate person who even after reading so many books could not understand what is pure bhakti. His philosophy was centered around pacifying the senses (which actually can never be done) rather than satisfying the Supreme Lord. 

            It is good to know about people like Osho also but it is not good to follow them... It is just like spiritual suicide.. and suicide is not recommended in our Shastras... Please be enlightened and think rationally that what is better ... satisfying ones own senses or serving Lord without any desire... you will get answer yourself that Why Srila Prabhupada was so against Osho.

            Thanks.

            Amit Kapoor

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