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Why Krsna don't let them(enjoyers) live in happiness?

Posted by Citra Karuni Devi Dasi on October 25, 2012 at 4:50am in Krishna

Hare Krsna!

Please accept my humble obeisances.

All Glories to Srila Prabhupada.

As we know, all the activities should be dovetailed and offered to Krsna because eveything is belong to Him. Therefore, everybody should engage 24 hours in His loving transcendental service and offer all the results of work.

Why Krsna created the material world for criminals like us and don't let us live indepently without serving Him, without creating karma? Why he didn't let the others enjoy independently without creating a bondage? and just pleased with the ones who are serving to His lotus feet? Why he needs obeisances from everybody?

Even mothers, fathers gives total freedom to their children without expecting offering for themselves.

If Krsna wants he could destroy all the material worlds and bestow eternal bliss to all devotees.

Your aspiring servant,

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    anand patel June 18, 2013 at 3:05pm

    REAL HAPPINESS.‏

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    rakesh roshan October 25, 2012 at 2:00pm

    Hare Krsna mataji

    please accept my humble obeisances

    I thank you for such a wonderful question... the same question was asked from HG GAURANGA PR in one of the famous VOICES.. fortunately , I heard the answer and by grace of KRSNA AND DEVOTEES, finally understood the real problem...

    "Why Krsna created the material world for criminals like us and don't let us live indepently without serving Him, without creating karma? Why he didn't let the others enjoy independently without creating a bondage? and just pleased with the ones who are serving to His lotus feet? Why he needs obeisances from everybody?"


    Krsna really does not need any of us.. He does not need obeisances from any one of us what to say of everyone.. He is ATMARAMA- SELF SATISFIED... SO HE DOES NOT NEED OUR RESPECT, LOVE AND SO ON.. HE HAS EVERYTHING AND HE IS ATMARAMA.

    KRSNA has actually done what you are saying mataji, He has created a material world for us where we are trying to enjoy independently of Him..KRSNA has given us our free will and is allowing us to try to enjoy here.

    NOW THE PROBLEM IS NO ONE CAN ENJOY ALONE..WE CANNOT ENJOY WITH DEAD MATTER. EVEN IF WE HAVE LOTS OF RICHES ,  WE CANNOT BE HAPPY AND WE CANNOT ENJOY THAT DEAD MATTER. SO KRSNA CAN PUT US IN A WORLD WHERE WE ARE ALONE WITH LOTS OF RICHES BUT WE WON'T ENJOY THERE. WE WANT A WORLD WHERE WE ARE THE CENTERS AND WE ARE THE ENJOYERS AND EVERYONE IS SERVING US. KRSNA WILL NOT TAKE THE FREE WILL AWAY FROM OTHER LIVING ENTITIES THAT THEY SHOULD SERVE US JUST FOR THE SAKE THAT WE WANT TO BE THE ENJOYERS.  HE IS IMPARTIAL. SO NOW A LIVING ENTITY DOES NOT WANT TO GO TO A WORLD WHERE HE/C IS THE ONLY PERSON IN THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE ,WITH EVERYTHING ELSE BEING DEAD MATTER CUZ THERE HE/C WON'T BE ABLE TO ENJOY.. HE WANTS TO BE THE CENTER AND WANTS EVERYONE ELSE TO SERVE HIM..

    EVERYONE NEEDS OTHER  ENTITIES TO ENJOY , SO SAME IS THE CASE WITH THE LIVING ENTITIES . HERE IN THIS MATERIAL WORLD ALL LIVING ENTITIES WANT TO ENJOY " OTHERS "- THEY WANT TO BE CENTER,THEY WANT THAT ALL OTHER LIVING ENTITIES SHOULD SERVE THEM,THEY DON'T HAVE TO SERVE ANYONE AND THEY DON'T WANT THE OTHER LIVING ENTITY TO BE THE CENTERS. SO ALL LIVING ENTITIES IN THIS MATERIAL WORLD ARE TRYING TO BECOME THE CENTER AND HENCE THEY NEVER COOPERATE WITH EACH OTHER.

    NOW JUST THINK, IF ALL LIVING ENTITIES AT THE SAME PLACE WANT TO BE THE CENTERS, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE!!!!!!! AND THEY WILL NEVER AGREE TO SERVE THE OTHER LIVING ENTITIES CUZ IT VIOLATES THE BASIC REASON FOR WHICH THEY CAME TO THIS MATERIAL WORLD " MY ENJOYMENT, MY HAPPINESS" SO THEY WILL NEVER DO THAT. KRSNA IS INFINITELY GENIUS , SO HE CREATED THIS MATERIAL WORLD AND PUT ALL LIVING ENTITIES TOGETHER THAT  WE WANT TO ENJOY, LET US TRY TO ENJOY.

    " BUT YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE THAT IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO ENJOY BECAUSE ALL LIVING ENTITIES WANT EVERY OTHER LIVING ENTITY TO SERVE ITSELF AND THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE BECAUSE ALL OF THEM WANT EVERYONE ELSE TO DO THAT, AND THEY CANNOT DO THAT BECAUSE THAT WILL VIOLATE EACH OF THEIR SO CALLED  " ENJOYMENT" "

     

    NOW SUPPOSE KRSNA REMOVES THE FACTOR OF KARMA. ( I DID LITTLE RESEARCH ON THIS, BELOW IS THE OUTCOME OF MY RESEARCH.. :) :) ) 

    IF KRSNA REMOVES KARMA, IN THAT CASE, HOW WILL THIS WORLD RUN!!!!!!!!!!

    HOW WILL IT BE JUSTIFIED TO LET A PERSON GO WITHOUT BEING PUNISHED WHEN HE IS COMMITTING A WRONG. HOW WILL IT BE JUSTIFIED TO NOT GIVE A PERSON  REWARD WHEN HE/C IS DOING SOMETHING PIOUS MATERIALLY. IT WILL BE WRONG. SO KARMA IS A NATURAL OUTCOME OF THE EXISTENCE OF THIS MATERIAL WORLD ELSE THERE WILL BE INJUSTICE. KRSNA'S ARRANGEMENT IS SUCH THAT PEOPLE GET KARMA WHEN HE IS HARMING OTHER LIVING ENTITIES AND HE ALSO BESTOWS MATERIAL RESULTS WHEN PEOPLE DO MATERIALLY PIOUS THINGS!!!!..

    SO IT IS NOT THAT KRSNA created KARMA TO MAKE LIVING ENTITIES SUFFER. HE LOVES US SO MUCH, WHY WILL HE MAKE US SUFFER WITHOUT REASON. HE DOES NOT WANT US TO SUFFER. WE WANT TO ENJOY AND IN THE PROCESS , WE ARE DOING SUCH SINFUL THINGS THAT WE HAVE TO BE PUNISHED BECAUSE WE HARM OTHER LIVING ENTITIES. :( :( .

    IT HAS TO BE ARRANGED SO THAT LIVING ENTITIES DON'T HARM EACH OTHER AND CAUSE SUFFERING TO EACH OTHER, ELSE LIVING ENTITIES WILL CAUSE PAIN TO OTHER LIVING ENTITIES AND GO AWAY WITHOUT BEING PUNISHED. KRSNA IS EXTREMELY PAINED WHEN HE SEES HIS DEVOTEES FIGHTING AND BECOMING PROUD... IT IS LIKE DRAWING BLOOD FROM HIS BODY.. I HEARD A PASTIME RELATED TO THIS.:( :(....

    SO U CAN SEE THAT in  KRSNA's arrangement of this material world,THE SYSTEM OF KARMA is there because we, THE LIVING ENTITIES ARE TRYING to enjoy by causing HARM to OTHER LIVING ENTITIES,GO BEYOND OUR LIMITS AND CAUSE DAMAGE TO OTHERS. SO KARMA IS REQUIRED, ELSE THERE WILL BE PARTIALITY.. IS N'T IT??

    NOW REGARDING BONDAGE, BONDAGE IS AN AUTOMATIC OUTCOME OF BEING IN THIS MATERIAL WORLD..The bodies that have been given to us in this material world are material and we have been trying to enjoy through this bodies since so many millions of lifetimes that we have gotten attached to the gross and subtle bodies and hence in bondage.. It happens like this. We are naturally inclined to serve KRSNA in the spiritual world as we were doing before coming to this material world.. NOW WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO ENJOY THIS MATERIAL WORLD SINCE SO MANY MILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF LIFETIMES  that we feel this is natural and spiritual life is unnatural. Becuz we are in the conditioned state right now... when in our natural state, we will realize that our natural tendency is to love and serve KRSNA and hence be happy. so bondage is because we have been trying to enjoy since so long and hence have associated to this material energy for long...

    Regarding "If Krsna wants he could destroy all the material worlds and bestow eternal bliss to all devotees.". Yes , He can do this .

    I heard from a very senior devotee that Krsna in form of Lord CHAITANYA Mahaprabhu is not bestowing us LOVE OF GOD immediately becuz we are not sure that we want that. we are flickering..  Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu can give us love of Krsna immediately but for this reason He does not do this..

    Hope my reply has answered your doubt to some extent.. i HUMBLY BEG FORGIVENESS FROM ALL DEVOTEES IF my WORDS HURT OR OFFENDED U or ANYONE, i myself had this doubt at one point of time and asked so many senior devotees for this. and finally i got the answer by KRSNA'S arrangement..

    Thank you again for such a wonderful question..

    YS

    • Citra Karuni Devi Dasi > rakesh roshan October 25, 2012 at 7:25pm

      Hare Krsna my dear Bhaktin Maral and dear Rakhesh Prabhu and other dear godbrothers and sisters who replied me with their kindness.

      Please accept my humble obeisances,

      All glories to Srila Prabhupada,

      Thank you for your answers. Thank you more, for keeping it that long.

      Actually I didn't have doubt but I wanted to hear what others are thinking about that subject matter.

      Because it is a very nice subject, it is the foundation of our philosphy and it is a pleasure to discuss it with the like minded devotees who are attracted to the topic.

      When I asked that question to myself previously, I came to the similar conclusion. And now, I see that it is the same conclusion with different words.

      1-THERE CAN'T BE ENJOYMENT IN OUR ETERNAL EXISTENCE IF IT IS NOT SERVING KRSNA,

      Because all sort of enjoyment for a soul is a suffering for the other soul in material worlds. Only Krsna can supply infinitely without any limit. No body else can.

      SO THERE CAN'T BE ENJOYMENT WITHOUT HARMING OTHERS,

      So this is a proof that, what we call 'enjoyment' is not original enjoyment in reality. It is a trap, blindness, violance and ignorance.

      2-OUR VERY EXISTENCE IS KRSNA HIMSELF. WE ARE HIS AND HIM. WE ARE ALSO KRSNA BECAUSE WE ARE HIS PARTS. BECAUSE EVERYTHING RESIDES WITHIN HIM.

      In that sense, wheter in material or spiritual world, for satisfaction and happiness, we should make Krsna enjoy, because when he enjoys we can enjoy because we are His and Him. If he eats then we are full. If he is happy then we are happy. If he is satisfied, then we are satisfied. Because we are His and Him.

      If your feet is scratching, if you scratch your shoes you can't be satisfied!

      To get satisfaction you should satisfy Krsna because we are in reality HIS and HIM!!! You serve Krsna, then you serve your self. When you love Krsna then the wound of tearing apart from him in the heart heals and you became happy and in love again.

      These may sound very simple but I am sure it takes thousands or zillions of lifetime to realize that.

      It is a very important realization and without this realization there can't be service to Srimati Radharani, there can't be Krsna Consciousness.

      Your aspiring servant,

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    Mohini Madhavi dd Maral Alymova October 25, 2012 at 9:50am

    Hare Krishna dear Mutlu Mataji, please accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

    First of all without free will there won't be any question of love between two personalities: soul and Krishna. 

    But when we have that free will out of foolishness we became envious towards Krishna and wanted to become like Him. But in spiritual world to be a God is not possible. There is only one God - Krishna and all others are His parts and parcels. 

    Because of that in order to fulfill our desire Krishna put us into illusion so that we imagine that we are gods. But covering our soul with false ego and other material elements. 

    And to enjoy in this world, Srila Prabhupada says (please forgive me for saying this) to try to enjoy sex wearing a thick coat. Because we are not this body and senses but within it the souls.

    No matter how much we try to enjoy with sense objects soul won't be happy. In this way if one enjoys even not having karma notes he won't be satisfied. But on the contrary material sense gratification makes heart hard. Because of that person become cruel and starts to exploit others. Then where is peace and joy?

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    Krishna does not need us, it is true. He is independent. He self satisfied. He is always happy and blissful. He does not need us at all. He has unlimited servants, wives, friends, mothers, fathers, girlfriends... what is the use of us - insignificant souls for Him???

    But He has in origin all good qualities like compassion, His heart is soft like a butter, He is kind....

    He is the origin of a true Mother. He is the origin of a true Friend. He is the origin of a true Lover.

    All those good qualities that we have are only tiny copies from Krishna's original qualities. 

    As like You love Your child Mutlu Mataji, Krishna also has love for His children. Our love may remain for 50-100 years but His love remains for eternity. He is most compassionate. 

    THEN HOW THAT COMPASSIONATE PERSONALITY WILL TOLERATE SEEING OTHERS SUFFERING???

    It is impossible. For example, if we see on the street some children are beating a cat will we pass not mentioning that? No! Our heart will become soft and with tears we will try to protect that cat. And this quality of compassion we copy from Krishna only. 

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    If fathers and mothers give total freedom to a child it means they do not care of him. Child may not go to the school and they allow him to do so. Child may not sleep on time and they allow him to do so. Child may play with knife and they will allow him to do so....then what will be the result? He will become a hippi??? Killer??? Jobless beggar??? 

    No, to give full freedom in some cases does not mean love it means only carelessness - impersonal ism. 

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    Again He also would like to destroy this material world but the reason He is not doing so is our own separate desires. 

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    At least He destroys this world occasionally otherwise it would be impossible to survive even. But destroying after some time He again purifies and gives chance to enjoy.

    Please forgive me for a long "notation"!

    Your servant,  

    • Payal > Mohini Madhavi dd Maral Alymova October 25, 2012 at 3:43pm

      Thanks for such an enlightening viewpoint. It was too pure. It answered most of my queries. I always thought why we are not free. Thanks a lot again.

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