Hare Krishna Prabhu ji's and Mata ji's
PAMHO!!!!
I Have one doubt, and I will be very much obliged if I can get the counseling from you all advanced devotees.
Its regarding our real self/body..Which is our real body? I still have small doubt regaring our real self, in this material world this is our temporary body, if we go to hell there we have different temporary body, in heaven we would have different body, and if we come in contact with lord then also we will have a temp body beacuse lord can take that body anytime if he desires so and through us on earth again and if we want to merge into the Brahman and exist in a spiritual vacuum, floating in an eternal sky without any form or activities or feelings then there I think that will be our real self with no body without any form, without any feeling, safely we can be there with no falling back again. I am sorry I might sound very wierd but please i would like my this doubt to get clear.
Your humble servant.
Amit Mehra
Replies
Text 29.2b
bhūtaṁ svapnavad anyathā
bhūtaṁ bhavad bhaviṣyac ca
suptaṁ sarva-raho-rahaḥ
Factually all of material existence is only a dream. Thus there is no question of past, present or future. Persons who are addicted to karma-kāṇḍa-vicāra, which means “working for future happiness through fruitive activities,” are also dreaming. Similarly, past happiness and present happiness are merely dreams. The actual reality is Kṛṣṇa and service to Kṛṣṇa, which can save us from the clutches of māyā, for the Lord says in Bhagavad-gītā (7.14), mām eva ye prapadyante māyām etāṁ taranti te: “Those who surrender unto Me can easily cross beyond My illusory energy.”
Thus end the Bhaktivedanta purports of the Fourth Canto, Twenty-ninth Chapter, of the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, entitled “Talks Between Nārada and King Prācīnabarhi.”
Our real self is riding within the material body
Material body is Yantra which means a machine
along with us is supersoul who acts as a witness
within this tree of the body it is it is likened to two birds sitting on a tree
We are a spiritual spark eternal full of bliss and knowledge
we are primeval and never die
our size is described as an atomic spark one ten thousandth the tip of a hair and we pervade the body
in the area of the heart
when we cant use this body any more we get another body according to our desire
There is a choice to be made
Make a solution to this temporary destructible body and go Back to godhead and attain a spiritual body
Those scriptures which says that soul size is one ten thousandth the tip of a hair are for sure not authentic, because transcendental soul has no limitation. Soul is a parcel of the Lord, but because Lord is unlimited, the soul is to. The transcendental quality is the same, but difference is in transcendental quantity, not in material such as size.
How atma can be unlimited and still parcel of unlimited Paramatma, its always confusing for those on madyama or kanishta level.
SB 7.7.19-20 — “Ātmā” refers to the Supreme Lord or the living entities. Both of them are spiritual, free from birth and death, free from deterioration and free from material contamination. They are individual, they are the knowers of the external body, and they are the foundation or shelter of everything. They are free from material change, they are self-illuminated, they are the cause of all causes, and they are all-pervading. They have nothing to do with the material body, and therefore they are always uncovered. With these transcendental qualities, one who is actually learned must give up the illusory conception of life, in which one thinks, “I am this material body, and everything in relationship with this body is mine.”
Soul is a parcel of the Lord, but because Lord is unlimited, the soul is to.
--this is called undifferenced monism or oneness
our philosophy is achintya bheda abehdha tatva
inconceivable simultaneously oneness and difference
Srimad Bhagavatam is the true source of transcendental knowledge, but those who are unqualified to receive such knowledge, remain spiritually blind despite the effort of learning.
If we know the size of the apple, we can for sure measure the size of the slice , but if apple is unlimited in a size, then the slice would be impossible to measure, it would be unlimited also.
That's known even in the modern material science, what to talk about transcendental one.
aham brahmasmi or I am Brahman, its well known statement of Absolute Truth which cant be explained by words. But those who try to put Brahman in their material squares are looking funny, like trying to stop the wind with the hands.
The words, mind and intelligence can not explain transcendental Brahman or soul, but the words such as ''unlimited'', ''transcendental'' ''no end'', ''achintya bheda abehdha'' , ''Absolute Truth''...can give nearest explanation as possible.
DEAN PRABHU
excuse me for my ignorance but I have never heard this analogy
"
If we know the size of the apple, we can for sure measure the size of the slice , but if apple is unlimited in a size, then the slice would be impossible to measure, it would be unlimited also.
That's known even in the modern material science, what to talk about transcendental one."
Where in Prabhupada's transcendental teaching do you source this from?
SrilaPrabhupada explains "aham brahmasmi " in word as "i am pure spirit soul"
yet you say -"
aham brahmasmi or I am Brahman, its well known statement of Absolute Truth which cant be explained by words."
Do you mock Srila Prabhupada's teaching?
Please explain----
aham brahmasmi or I'm Brahman, or I'm pure soul, is the same thing.
The eternal body forms of Lords pure devotees in His eternal abode, as well as temporary material body forms of living beings, are ''covers'' of transcendental soul called Atma or Brahman. That's why Lord, being source of the soul, is sometimes called Paramatma or Parabrahman.
1 Where do you source the analogy of the apple?
2 you can put aham brahmasmi into words so you have contradicted yourself
Maybe not, but it will answer others who are qualified to learn. That analogy don't have a source.
Brahman cant be explained with words as you cant explain Parabrahman.
Just saying spiritual soul, is still doesn't explain its nature, quality or quantity.
What is spiritual soul or Brahman, and what is the Lord or Parabrahman, cant be completely explained even by Sri Brahma, first born rishi, what to talk about others.
Considering all that, measuring something transcendental, eternal, which is acintya bheda abheda, is impossible in any ways.
Those who really understands difference between the material body and soul, conlude this temporary material creation to be unreal, and that only reality is Brahman and Parabrahman. In other words, Jiva and Lord.
SB 11.22.54-55 — The soul’s material life, his experience of sense gratification, is actually false, O descendant of Daśārha, just like trees’ appearance of quivering when the trees are reflected in agitated water, or like the earth’s appearance of spinning due to one’s spinning his eyes around, or like the world of a fantasy or dream.
---------------------------------------------------------------
It does have a source- your imagination...
Your perfection is to repeat the words of the Spiritual Master Srila Prabhupada not just like a parrot but appropriately in the approriate response.
-
1
-
2
of 2 Next