Hare krsna, pamho

lord krsna appeared , incarnated say, came to this materialistic mrityulok in dwaparyuga,and lord rama in tretayuga, so what was the content of vedas at that time, the supreme personality of god head was hidden because god has 2 be appear to fight the demons and  to protect devotees.so, each n every scriptures available with us at present are written in starting of kali or altered in this age or idk what's the exact query m having

So question is kalisantaran upanishad is a part of veda then why vedantishts of that time doesn't knew about hare krsna mahamantra where was brahma sanhita 

Do these scriptures are shrutis, is there any vedic proof about krsna there's alot of confusion this side plz clearify

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  • Vyasa the title given to the sage or Rishi who divides the Hindu holy scripture Vedas in every Dvapara Yuga of every Yuga cycle.[1] Vyasa is a central and revered figure in most Hindu traditions. He is also sometimes called Veda Vyāsa (वेदव्यास, veda-vyāsa), the one who divides the Vedas into four parts. The name of Rishi who currently holds the Vyasa title is Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa, referring to his complexion and birthplace and sometimes he is simply called Vyasa. He was born in Tanahun district of Nepal, in a city currently named Damauli. According to Hindu beliefs, Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa is an incarnation of the god Vishnu. During each Dvapara Yuga, in every Kalpa, Lord takes incarnation as Veda Vyasa and effects the division of Vedas for the benefit of human beings.[2][3] Guru Drona's son Rishi Aswatthama will become the next Vyasa, who in turn divide the Veda in 29th Mahayuga of 7th Manvantara.[4][5]

    Past Vyasa Edit
    The Vishnu Purana has a theory about Vyasa.[6] The Hindu view of the universe is that of a cyclic phenomenon that comes into existence and dissolves repeatedly. Each cycle is presided over by a number of Manus, one for each Manvantara, that has four ages, Yugas of declining virtues. The Dvapara Yuga is the third Yuga. The Vishnu Purana (Book 3, Ch 3) says:

    Twenty-eight times have the Vedas been arranged by the great Rishis in the Vaivasvata Manvantara... and consequently eight and twenty Vyasas have passed away; by whom, in the respective periods, the Veda has been divided into four[7]

    During every Dvapara Yuga of the present Vaivasvat Manvantara, different Vyasas have divided the Vedas twenty-eight times.

    During the first Dvapara Yuga,Lord Brahma himself divided the Vedas.
    During the second Dvapara Yuga, Prajapati was Veda Vyasa.
    During the third Dwapara,Shukracharya was Veda Vyasa.
    During fourth Dwapara Brihaspati acted as Veda Vyasa.Description of other sages who acted as Veda Vyasa during the subsequent Dvapara Yuga is as follows-
    Surya- fifth Veda Vyasa;
    Mrityu- sixth Veda Vyasa,
    Indra- seventh Veda Vyasa,
    Vashishta- eighth Veda Vyasa,
    Saraswat- ninth Veda Vyasa,
    Tridhama- tenth Veda Vyasa,
    Trishikh- eleventh Veda Vyasa,
    Bharadwaj- twelfth Veda Vyasa,
    Antariksh- thirteenth Veda Vyasa,
    Varani- fourteenth Veda Vyasa. Names of next fourteen Veda Vyasas are as follows-
    Jatukarn and
    Krishna Dwaipayan.
    After Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa, Drona's son, Ashwatthama will be the next Veda Vyasa[7][8][9]
    From Kurma Purana ,In every Dvapara Yuga , a Veda Vyasa is born so as to divide the Vedas and disseminate their knowledge. In the present era, there have been twenty eight Dvapara Yuga and therefore been twenty eight individuals who have held the title of Veda Vyasa. The Kurma Purana gives their names as follows.

    Svayambhuva Manu
    Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa and in the next the next Dvapara Yuga ,
    Guru Drona's son Rishi Aswatthama or Drauni will become the next Vyasa
    Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa divided the Vedas into four parts and taught them to four of his disciples. He taught

    Paila the Rig Veda.
    Vaishampayana the Yajur Veda,
    Jaimini the Sama Veda and
    Sumantu the Atharva Veda. As for the Puranas, they were taught to Lomaharshana.[10]
    In Shiva Purana it mentions various incarnations of Vyasa and Lord Siva .In Varaha Kalpa of the Seventh Manvantara, Lord Vishnu illuminated all the three world by his divine presence. This seventh Manvantara consisted of four yugas which repeated themselves in a cyclic way for twelve times.

    The first dwapar of this seventh manvantara saw the manifestation of lord Shiva for the welfare of the Brahmins. When Kali Yuga arrived Lord Shiva again manifested himself along with goddess Shakti and was known as Mahamuni Shweta. Lord Brahma had the privilege of becoming his disciple.
    During the second dwapar, sage Vyasa existed as Satya, Prajapati and Lord Shiva became famous as Sutar. Lord Shiva in his incarnation of Sutra had many disciples among whom Dundubhi was very famous.
    During the third dwapar sage Vyasa took his incarnation as Bhargava and lord Shiva became famous as Daman. Lord Shiva in his incarnation as Daman had four disciples among whom Vishoka was very famous. When Kali Yuga arrived after this third dwapar. Lord Shiva along with his Disciples helped Sage Vyasa.
    During the fourth Dwapar Sage Vyasa took his incarnation as Angira and Lord Shiva as Suhotra. Even in this incarnation Lord Shiva had four disciples among whom Sumukh was very famous. Lord Shiva along with his disciples helped Angira.
    During the fifth dwapar sage Vyasa took incarnation as Savita and Lord Shiva as 'Kanka' who was very famous for his tremendous austerities. Kanka had four disciples among whom Sanak was very famous.
    During the sixth dwapar sage Vyasa took incarnation as Mrityu and Lord Shiva as 'Lokakshi'. Lokakshi had four disciples among whom Sudhama was very prominent.
    During the seventh dwapar sage Vyasa manifested himself as Indra and Lord Shiva as Jaigisatya. Jaigisatya had four disciples among whom Saraswat was very prominent.
    During the eighth dwapar sage Vyasa took incarnation as Vashishtha and Lord Shiva as Dadhivahan. Dadhivahan had four disciples among whom Kapila was very famous.
    During the ninth dwapar sage Vyasa took incarnation as Saraswat and Lord Shiva as 'Rishabh'. Lord Shiva in his incarnation as Rishabhdeva had four disciples among whom Parashar was very famous.[11]
    Current Vyasa Edit
    Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa lived around the 3rd millennium BCE.[12][13] The festival of Guru Purnima is dedicated to him. It is also known as Vyasa Purnima, for it is the day believed to be both his birthday and the day he divided the Vedas.[14][15] There are two different views regarding his birthplace. One of the views suggests that he was born in the Tanahun district in western Nepal, other view suggests that he was born on Island in Yamuna river near Kalpi, Uttar Pradesh, India. He is the author of the Mahabharata, as well as a character in it. He is considered to be the scribe of both the Vedas and Puranas.

    Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa is also considered to be one of the seven Chiranjivins (long lived, or immortals), who are still in existence according to general Hindu belief. Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa will also become one of the Saptarishi in the 8th Manvantara along with sage Kripa ,sage Aswatthama and sage Parashurama[16]

    Future Vyasa Edit
    Ashwatthama or Drauni was the son of guru Drona.Drona did many years of severe penance to please Lord Siva in order to obtain a son who possesses the same valiance as of Lord Siva. Aswatthama is the avatar of one of the eleven Rudras and he is one of the seven Chiranjivi or the immortal ones.He is the grandson of the Brahmin sage Bharadwaja. Ashwatthama is a mighty Maharathi[17] who fought on the Kaurava side against the Pandavas in Mahabharata war. Aswatthama along with his maternal uncle Kripa is believed to be the lone survivors still living who actually fought in the kurukshetra war.[18] Along with sage Parashurama ,sage Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa and sage Kripa, Aswatthama is considered to be foremost among the rishis in Kaliyuga.[19] Aswatthama will become the next sage Vyasa, who in turn divide the Veda in 29th Mahayuga of 7th Manvantara. Aswatthama will also become one of the Saptarishi in the 8th Manvantara along with sage Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa, sage Kripa and sage Parashurama.[16] Like Bhishma, Drona, Kripa, Karna, and Arjuna, he is a master of the science of weapons and is regarded as the foremost among warriors.[20] Aswatthama studied Dhanurveda or martial arts and Brahmavidya or the science of the self or Atma from Lord Parasurama, Maharishi Durvasa, Maharishi Krishna Dvaipāyana Vyasa, Bhishma, Kripa and Drona. Aswatthama is the master of all forms of knowledge and possesses complete mastery over 64 forms of arts or Kalas and 18 Vidyas or branches of knowledge.
  • Hare Krishna Prabhu your question is nice  aqctually Krishna creates all types of spiritual and material knowledge personally in spiritual world before the creation of material world or Jada Jagat  when krishna wants to create material world or Jada Jagat  he creates innemurable universes with innemurable planets  and innemurable galaxies with in each universes there are lord Brahma  in different universes   our universe is the smallest of them 4 billion yojanas 500 million miles that's why our lord brahma head is four according to the diameter of each universes the heads of brahma shiva, indira, increases some have millions and billions of heads now come to your question when this scriptures are written and how they came into being the answer is that when lord Krishna creates this material universes through his gigantic swarupa karnodaksayai Vishnu who resides in the casual ocean from him infinite amount of universes are emanating from karnodaksayai Vishnu he expands himself as a garbhodaksayai Vishnu from the navel of garbhodaksayai Vishnu lord Brahma came out and Krishna gaves all kinds of both spiritual and material knowledge in his heart as a garbhodaksayai Vishnu brahma not directly seen the lord but he hears the transcendental sound and starts to meditating for millions of years  this is the first transmission heard by lord Brahma from Vishnu then brahma creates the whole secondary creation before him lord garbhodaksayai Vishnu enters into all types of universes lord as the same there is no difference garbhadhaksayai means the one who takes in a womb then brahma creates the secondary creation whole Brahmanda or hiranyanda at the Krishna gaves all spiritual and material knowledge to brahmaji and from brahmaji he creates the first Sanat Kumar's and then first saptarshis 7 muni rishis this is happend at the beginning of this brahma which 155.522 trillion years ago in  Vedas it is said that 1000 of brahmas  cycles are came and go in this universe after the creation of saptarshis then came to earth and starts to creates the all types of living entities in this earth some 5 billions years ago so and all the saptarshis spread spiritual and material knowledge to all the society's in this manner not only in this universe but  other universes also Krishna gives spiritual knowledge and material knowledge through brahma so now you can imagine we read Gita bhagwatam chaiChait charitamrita and all other scriptures they are personally presents before this creation in bg Krishna says 

    sri-bhagavan uvaca
    imam vivasvate yogam
    proktavan aham avyayam
    vivasvan manave praha
    manur iksvakave 'bravit
    sri bhagavan uvaca—the Supreme Personality of Godhead said; imam—this; vivasvate—unto the sun-god; yogam—the science of one's relationship to the Supreme; proktavan—instructed; aham—I; avyayam—imperishable; vivasvan—Vivasvan (the sun-god's name); manave—unto the father of mankind (of the name Vaivasvata); praha—told; manuh—the father of mankind; iksvakave—unto King Iksvaku; abravit—said.
    The Blessed Lord said: I instructed this imperishable science of yoga to the sun-god, Vivasvan, and Vivasvan instructed it to Manu, the father of mankind, and Manu in turn instructed it to Iksvaku so now you can imagine that Krishna this imperishable science of yoga to sun god in this manvantara which is 7th manu vaivasvat manu which is starts about 120 million years ago so current Gita presents at this time but the human begins exsists on this planet some 2 billion years ago at the svayambhuva manvantara period and the hare Krishna mantra it is eternal it has no age no origin no adi no end because it is himself Radha and Krishna it is always present in spiritual world and also in  material world in this vaisvavai manu we are in his 27th yuga the ruling period of 1 manu is 71 chaturyuga so you never think that Krishna only came in this manu he also came in that previous manu also to give spiritual knowledge all the vedic scriptures come from the at the time every creation it is a manual how to live an ideal life how to know god 
  • Okay Hare Krishna, I will try to explain with some limited knowledge from books.

    As what we know is only what we have read from the books. Books were only written and has the content of maximum Starting from Bramhanda creation.  Who is before the creation? no one knows what started it. How is started when it started. 

    We only know from this kalpa. A kalpa is equal to 4.32 billion years, a "day of Brahma" or one thousand mahayugas, measuring the duration of the world. Each kalpa is divided into 14manvantara periods,  each lasting 71 yuga cycles (306,720,000 years).

    There are many Brahma's and the end of every  14 manvantaras there is a great deluge. What we in right now is the 7th manvantara ( Vaivasvatha manuantara) so it seems we have completed almost half a day of Lord Bramha right now.

    When we would be completing 14 manvantaras and it would be the completion of a day, and again a great deluge will occur to wipe off all the living non living ( every type ) of creation to restart a new Kalpa another day of Brahma.

    It is said that.. When this present Brahma ( chaturmukha Bramha) who is present right now. was born out of the navel ( of LORD  GARBODAKSAYA VISHNU) from the lotus flower. He could see all around him only water and nothing else.

    Once Markandeya muni wanted to know the illusory power of the Lord asked to show him .. he could perceive that There is a great deluge and all was being flooded. and a small banyan leaf came floating by in the middle of the great waters which has a small baby in blue form sucking his toe. From this we can understand. That Lord Sri Krishna is the primary cause of all causes.

    Now coming to the present Brahma, When Braham ji got bewildered he looked all 4 directions to see who else is there along with him and was in a great confusion. only water he could see everywhere. that why he got 4 head as he looked in four directions to see where from he originated.

    Then he went thru the lotus stalk down to see where is his origins. He couldn't see the end of it as he kept on diving along the lotus stalk.  Then feeling tired he came back and sat on the lotus flower with focused mind started to meditate. It kept on meditating on his self for 100 yrs. 

    you can go thru this chapter in SB


    SB 3.8.22  At the end of Brahmā’s one hundred years, when his meditation was complete, he developed the required knowledge, and as a result he could see in his heart the Supreme within himself, whom he could not see before with the greatest endeavor.
    SB 3.8.23 — Brahmā could see that on the water there was a gigantic lotuslike white bedstead, the body of Śeṣa-nāga, on which the Personality of Godhead was lying alone. The whole atmosphere was illuminated by the rays of the jewels bedecking the hood of Śeṣa-nāga, and that illumination dissipated all the darkness of those regions.
    SB 3.8.32 — When Lord Brahmā, the maker of the universal destination, thus saw the Lord, he simultaneously glanced over creation. Lord Brahmā saw the lake in Lord Viṣṇu’s navel, and the lotus flower, as well as the devastating water, the drying air and the sky. All became visible to him.
    SB 3.8.33 — Lord Brahmā, thus being surcharged with the mode of passion, became inclined to create, and after seeing the five causes of creation indicated by the Personality of Godhead, he began to offer his respectful prayers on the path of the creative mentality.
    SB 3.9: Brahmā’s Prayers for Creative Energy  (https://www.vedabase.com/en/sb/3/9) This is the Bramha Samhita prayers by Lord Bramha.

    The Brahma Saṁhitā is a Sanskrit text, composed of verses of prayer spoken by Brahma glorifying the Lord or Govinda at the beginning of creation. It is revered within Gaudiya Sampradaya whose 16th-century founder, Chaitanya Mahaprabhu(1486–1534), rediscovered a part of the work, the 62 verses of Chapter 5, which had previously been lost for a few centuries, at the Adikeshava temple.,somwhere in Tamil Nadu, South India.

    Kali Santarano upanishad is a part of upanishads.

    called Kalisantaraṇopaniṣad, is a Sanskrit text attached to the Kṛṣṇa Yajurveda. It is a minor Upanishad of Hinduism.The Upanishad was likely composed before about 1500 CE, and it was popularized in the 16th century by Chaitanya in the Gaudiya Vaishnavism tradition.[3] The short text presents two verses called the Maha-mantra, containing the words Hare, Krishna and Rama. The word Hare or goddess Radha is repeated eight times, while the other two are Hindu gods who are repeated four times. The text asserts that audible chanting of this mantra is a means to wash away all the tribulations of the current era. ( SOURCE- Wikipedia).
    I don't have the exact text where it is mentioned in SP book. 
    This book has a reference  beginning with a conversation of Narad muni and Bramha ji and it happening at the end of Dwapar Yuga. Which would only make sense if the reader is presumed to be living long after the beginning of the Kali Yuga.
    In this book it is given about the importance of chanting especial holy names like Krishna, Rama and Hare. Hare being Radha rani., the ahaladini shakti or internal potency of Lord. 
    Every yuga there is a specific mantra and specific ways for approaching realizing Lord.
    Satyuga was the age of tapasya.. at that time there was no social order ( Varana) and there being only pure devotees and God realization was on tapasya .. Self realization was given importance. They meditated on their self like Bramha did.
    SB 11.17.10  In the beginning, in Satya-yuga, there is only one social class, called haṁsa, to which all human beings belong. In that age all people are unalloyed devotees of the Lord from birth, and thus learned scholars call this first age Kṛta-yuga, or the age in which all religious duties are perfectly fulfilled.
    SB 11.17.11  In Satya-yuga the undivided Veda is expressed by the syllable om, and I am the only object of mental activities. I become manifest as the four-legged bull of religion, and thus the inhabitants of Satya-yuga, fixed in austerity and free from all sins, worship Me as Lord Haṁsa.
    "OM" was the only mantra that time. They only concentrated on self and did tapasya for thousands of years. And all the mantras had "OM" at the start. like Om namo bhagavate Vasudevaya.
    You see. Dhruva got initiated by Narad ji with Om namo bhagavate vasudevaya. 
    Treta Yuga was the time of yagna's...
    SB 11.17.12  O greatly fortunate one, at the beginning of Tretā-yuga Vedic knowledge appeared from My heart, which is the abode of the air of life, in three divisions — as Ṛg, Sāma and Yajur. Then from that knowledge I appeared as threefold sacrifice.
    SB 11.17.13  In Tretā-yuga the four social orders were manifested from the universal form of the Personality of Godhead. The brāhmaṇas appeared from the Lord’s face, the kṣatriyas from the Lord’s arms, the vaiśyas from the Lord’s thighs and the śūdras from the legs of that mighty form. Each social division was recognized by its particular duties and behavior.
    During this time more importance was laid on yagnas.. ashwamedha yagas and  naramedha yaga etc.
    Dwapar Yuga is the yuga of Archana ( worship)... In this age Lord was worshiped with different paraphernalia. Archana is pooja with many steps. starting to ending has a procedure. What we see these days in temples ( Esp. by brahmana class) there is a 16 step procedure. Now no one is practicing that fully and correctly. You see as we come down to Kaliyuga
    so narad ji asked bramha ji what is the method of realization in Kaliyuga. ( IN KALI SANTARANO UPANISHAD).
    Brahma ji spoke as follows.. as no one is following any Varna ashrama dharma as there is mixed bred humans ( BRahamins marrying shudras) all kulanashana taking place, and no one is clean physically ( NO SUCHI) no cleanliness. No one following any scriptures all going according to the whims and fancies. This age the only way to realize God is just chanting the names of Lord.  WHICH IS MORE THAN ENOUGH. as Kali Purusha is too huge to be countered by normal mortals. They cannot challenge him. Previously there were demons and good people. and God came in many forms to kill the demons .. But in Kaliyuga ...demon is present in one person at one time and goodness is also present in the same person at other times. people are acting like puppets in the hands of Kali. They are under 3 modes and cannot control themselves. Only simply chanting of holy names is enough to counteract the sinful activities is said in Kali Santaronopanishad.
    This Mahamantra is given there in that upanishad by lord brahma to Narad muni to be followed in Kaliyuga.
    Yuga dhara it is to chant simply by taking holy name no tapasya needed, no dhyana, no pooja archana. simply.. chanting is enough , even if u take willingly or unwillingly it will burn like fire the sins done in Kaliyuga.
    As stated by Prahalada. in Hari ashtakam first verse.

    Harir harathi papani dushta chithair api smrutha, 
    Anichayapi samsprushto dahathyevahi pavaka.

    Even if taken Anichhayapi ( having no intention to take the name), inadvertently, without intention accidental taking the name of Lord Hari name will burn the sins like wild fire.

    So please chant Lord's name this is the only way to burn our bad karmas in this yuga.

    Hare Krishna.

    SB 3.8: Manifestation of Brahmā from Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu
    SB 3.8: Manifestation of Brahmā from Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu
  • hare krishna prabhu 

    before kaliyuga there was only one veda (ref SB 1.3.21

     what was the content of vedas at that time

    vedas contain many branches of knowledge like military science, ayurved etc.. how to fulfil your desires, how to get liberation and most important knowledge of devotional service to Lord 

    Ref. Civilization & Transcendence, Ch 5 : https://www.vedabase.com/en/cat/5

    Śrīla Prabhupāda: Nothing can be changed. But according to the time, you have to apply the principles properly. For instance, in Kali-yuga the smṛti order is kīrtanād eva kṛṣṇasya mukta-saṅgaḥ paraṁ vrajet: [SB ] to obtain spiritual liberation, one must chant the holy name of the Lord, Hare Kṛṣṇa. So you have to do this. For instance, a doctor may order, "In the morning, take this medicine; in the evening, take that medicine." It is not a change of the doctor's orders. It is simply that according to the time, the doctor's orders call for a particular medicine. But the particular medicine is recommended by the doctor, not by your whims. Śruti and smṛti cannot be changed, but they may recommend a particular process at a particular time. So there must be adherence to both śruti and smṛti—to scriptural authority. You cannot modify.

    in prev. yugas , hare krishna mahamantra was there or not i don't know ... but many diff. mantras are there : for ex, Narada Muni gave "Om Namo Bhagavate Vaasudevaaya" mantra to Maharaj Dhruv. Acc. to Kali Santaran Upnishad, Hare Krishna Mantra is described as only way for Kaliyug. 

    Acc. to Srila Prabhupad, Krishna is mentioned as Supreme Lord in vedas even before he came to the earth. There are many vedic references : https://www.vedabase.com/en/bg/11/54 

    Brahma Samhita was discovered by Lord Chaitanya is a temple in South India. 

    other devotees please help improve this attempt & pl also point out any mistakes _/|\_ hare krishna 

    SB 1.3.21
    Originally the Veda is one. But Śrīla Vyāsadeva divided the original Veda into four, namely Sāma, Yajur, Ṛg, Atharva, and then again they were explai…
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