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  • There is no difference in all these, but all these dhams have appeared from Saket or Ayodhya.

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    ॐ याऽयोध्या सा सर्वबैकुण्ठानामेव मूलाधारा प्रकृतेः परा तत्सद् ब्रह्ममयी विरजोत्तरा दिव्यरत्नकोशाढ्या तस्या नित्यमेव श्रीसीतारामयोर्विहारस्थलमस्ति ॥

    (अथर्वेद उत्तरायें श्री रामरहस्योपनिषद् उत्तरखण्डे )

    प्रकृति से परात्पर, सत्यस्वरूप, ब्रह्ममयी जो अयोध्या है वह समस्त बैकुण्ठ लोकों की भी मूलाधार है। इसके उत्तर में विरजा आदि नदियां प्रकाशित होती है और दिव्य रत्नों से मण्डित कोश (मण्डप) में नित्यरूप से श्रीसीताराम जी की विहार स्थली विद्यमान है। '

    2)
    त्रिपाद्विभूतेर्लोकास्तु असंख्याताः प्रकीर्तिताः । शुद्धसत्वमयाः सर्वे ब्रह्मानंदसुखायाः ॥
    तद्विष्णोः परमंधाम यांति ब्रह्मसुखप्रदम्। नानाजनपदाकीर्णं वैकुण्ठं तद्धरेः पदम्॥
    प्राकारैश्चविमानैश्चसौधैरत्नमयैर्वृतम् ।
    तन्मध्ये नगरी दिव्या साऽयोध्येति प्रकीर्तिता॥
    मणिकांचनचित्राढ्य प्राकारैस्तोरणैर्वृता ।

    (श्री पद्मपुराण ६.२२८.१, १०-१२)

    There are innumerable divine abodes (e.g. various abodes of gods and goddesses [Mahābrahmā, Mahāshambhu, Durgā-devi etc], and many Vaikunthas of the various Avataras of Vishnu, Dvārika, Mathura Puri, Goloka-Vrindāvana, etc) in Tripadvibhūti (beyond the divine virajā river); and all of those are made up of Shuddha-sattva and all filled with supreme bliss of Brahm (Brahmananda)!

    Beyond all those, there is the supreme abode of Vishnu (i.e. Ādi-Vaikuntha). The devotees and servants of Lord's lotus-feet reside in the supreme (Adi-)Vaikuntha lōka, that Supreme abode of Bhagavān Vishnu, the very embodiment and bestower of the bliss of Brahm.

    At the very center of that (Adi Vaikuntha lōka in the Paramavyōm) is situated the divine city renowned by the name of Ayodhyā, which is adorned and filled all around by amazing multi storied buildings and picturesque Vimaans."


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    अयोध्या नगरी नित्या सच्चिदानन्दस्वरूपिणी । यस्यान्शांशेन वैकुंठो गोलोकादिः प्रतिष्ठितः ॥

    (वशिष्ठ संहिता)

    The eternal Ayodhya is the very form of the nature Sat (eternal existence), Chit (pure consciousness) and Ananda (supreme bliss). All Vaikuntha-s (the abode of Vishnus), Goloka (the abode of lord Krishna) etc are in existence as mere one part of the glory of Ayodhya."

    4)
    परं ब्रह्म स्वयं राम सच्चिदानन्दविग्रहः ।
    यस्य लोकः सदा भाति गोलोकात्परतस्तु सः ॥

    (श्रीमद आदिरामायण 1.9.24)

    Śrī Rāma is himself Parambrahm, the very form of Sat [eternal existence] - Chit [consciousness] - Ananda [bliss], whose divine abode [Divine Ayōdhyā Śrī Sākēta-Lōka] is eternally self illuminated even beyond the divine world Gōlōka."


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    तच्चालौकिकपरमानन्दलक्षणाखण्डामिततेजोराशिर्ज्वलति ।
    तच्चानिर्वाच्यमनिर्देश्यमखण्डानन्दैकरसात्मकं भवति ।
    तत्रमध्यमपादमध्यप्रदेशेऽमिततेजःप्रवाहाकारतया नित्यवैकुण्ठं विभाति ।

    (अथर्ववेद त्रिपाद्विभूतिमहानारायणोपनिषत्)

    वह त्रिपाद ब्रह्मांड के पारलौकिक आनंद का एक अखंड स्वरूप है। जहां से अथाह मात्रा में सदैव तेज प्रकाशित होता रहता है, वह अनिर्वचनीय, अटूट और पूर्ण रसमस है। उस त्रिपाद के मध्य में नित्य बैकुंठ है जिसके मध्य क्षेत्र जिसे अयोध्या कहा जाता है वहां से अपार तेज का प्रवाह होता रहता है।

    अयोध्या के बीच में रहने का कारण:-

    The divine city Ayodhya is in the middle of the topmost part of Adi Vaikuntha lōka. It shows Shri Rama's abode divine Ayodhya is the original root source of all Vaikuntha-lōkas, and even the Adi-Vaikuntha lōka or Golok. The abode of Ādi-Nārāyaṇa is present in the outer circle of divine city Ayōdhyā.
    As it is their in Manas ~
    (जगत प्रकाश प्रकाशक रामू। माया धीश ज्ञान गुण धामू।।)


    6)
    वरेण्या सर्वलोकानां हिरण्मयचिन्मया जया ।
    अयोध्या नन्दिनी सत्या राजिता अपराजिता ॥
    कल्याणी राजधानी या त्रिपादस्य निराश्रया ।
    गोलोकहृदयस्था च संस्था सा साकेतपुरी ॥

    (वशिष्ट संहिता)

    अयोध्या मुख्य 8 नामों से जानी जाती है, हिरण्या, चिन्मया, जया, अयोध्या, नन्दिनी, सत्या, राजिता और अपराजिता नित्य स्मरणीय हैं। त्रिपाद की कल्याणमयी राजधानी जो किसी के आश्रित नहीं है, गोलोक के हृदय में बसी हुई वह दिव्य पुरी साकेत है।

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    From here we get the detail description:~

    तदूर्ध्व सर्वसत्वनां कार्यकारणमानिनां ।
    निलयं परमदिव्यं महावैष्णव संज्ञकम् ॥
    एतद् गुह्यं समास्थानं ददातु वाञ्छितं हि नः।

    (सदाशिव संहिता)
    "Beyond the physical (material) universe, there is spiritual space in which all the abodes are (made of) Shuddha-Satva. In the spiritual space, there is a divine abode ‘Mahā-vaishnava' by name, the residence of great 'Mahā-Vishnu'. One gets all desired fruits in this mysterious higher world.”


    8)
    तदूर्ध्व परं दिव्यं सत्यमन्यद्विवस्थितं ॥
    न्यासिना योगिनां स्थानं भगवद्भावनात्मना । महाशम्भुर्मोदते तत्र सर्व शक्ति समन्वितः ॥

    (सदाशिव संहिता)

    "Above the 'Mahā-vaiṣṇava' Loka, there is another 'Satyalok' [the abode of BrahmA of Tripad-Vibhuti]. There live many Siddha-s, great Yogi-s and the god conscious souls. Lord Mahā-Shambhu (Lord Sadā-Shiva) fully endowed with all kinds of potency disports there in the Sadashiva-Lok [which is present above the 'Satyalok' of Mahā-Brahmā]."

    9)
    तदूर्ध्व तु परकान्त महावैकुण्ठ संज्ञिकम् ।
    वसुदेवादयस्तत्र विहरंती स्व मायया ॥

    (सदाशिव संहिता)
    "Above the Mahā-Shambhu-Loka, there is the supremely divine abode of Lord Vishnu known as 'Mahā-vaikuṇṭha' where Lord Vasudeva (Vishnu) [and other Vyuhas and various Avataras] etc disport there with their own inherent potency."

    10)
    तदूर्ध्व तू स्वयं भाति गोलोकः प्रकृतेः परः। वाङ्मानोगोचरातितो ज्योतिरुपः सनातनः ॥

    (सदाशिव संहिता)

    "Above the Mahā-vaikuntha, there is supremely divine eternal abode, which is eternally self illuminated, very form of divine light, highly refulgent, known as 'Gōlōka' which is completely beyond the reach of sensory organs and inexpressible in words."


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    तस्यमध्ये पुरं दिव्यम साकेतमिति संज्ञकम् योषिद्रत्न मणिस्तभ प्रमदागण सेवितं ॥

    (सदाशिव संहिता)

    "At the center of the 'Gōlōka', there is supremely divine world which is known as 'Sāketa' (Śrī Sāketa-Loka) adorned with effulgent gems and served by divine damsels (eternally young ladies) adorned with various ornaments."


    And finally we can conclude that the center of the whole universe is Ayodhya or Saket, out of which many many Vaikunthas including Goloka and etc.
    As mentioned in Padma Puran,

    "रामनामांशतो जाता ब्रह्माण्डाः कोटिकोटिशः"

    कोटि-कोटि ब्रह्माण्ड - रामनामके अंशसे उत्पन्न होते है।

  • Hari Bol! 

     

    Thank you EVERYONE for the great information you have given me.

     

    I have yet another question!

    All of the Lord's past-times are filled with Pure Bhakti. How can we differentiate the past-times of Lord Krishna to the past-times of Lord Narasingha?

    Isn't going to Vaikuntha an achievement in itself?

    To see Lord Narasingha in the Spiritual World must be what the Christian's call "Heaven."

     

    Please forgive me if I have committed any offense in asking this question.

    • Volunteer

      Hare Krishna David Prabhu, please accept my humble obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

      i heard that Lord Nrisimha Dev has His pastimes only in the material world. Because there is no any demon like Hiranyakashipu in the Spiritual world, so no need to be come so angry.

      But Lord sometimes wants to fight and some of Devotees take birth in the material world to become His opponent and fight with Him fulfilling His desire.

       Your servant,

  • Volunteer

    Hare Krishna dear Devotees! please accept my humble obeisances! all glories to Srila Prabhupada!

    Vaikuntha is like a job place of Krishna, but Goloka Vrindavan is like a home of Krishna.

    As usually at job we wear tie, very serious...but at home we are completely different.

    "Goloka" means the planet of Cows :-)

    If in Vaikuntha Lord Narayana wears jewels made of diamond, gold...

    in Goloka Krishna wears jewelery made of fresh forest fruits and flowers...People in Goloka usually busy with simple village life milking cows, feeding them, churning  butter, taking bath in Yamuna, playing football with amalaki fruits and so on...

     Your servant,

  • Hare Krishna David Prabhu,

    PAMHO

    There are two worlds in this whole manifestation . The world we live in is Material world and this all we have any experience about. But there is one more world beyond this one i.e. Spiritual World known as Vaikuntha. The spiritual world is known as Vaikuntha and the infinite planets or Lokas are called Vaikuntha Planets or Vaikuntha Lokas. Golok Vrindavan is Supreme and Topmost amongst these such Vaikuntha Lokas.

    Another difference is that Vaikuntha Planets are abodes of Krishna's plenary expansions like Vishnu, Nrisinghadeva, Varaha etc but Golok Vrindavan is the abode of Supreme Personality of Godhead-Krishna,the source of all expansions.
    In Golok Vrindavan Krishna is present with His eternal associates like Gopis, cowherd friends etc. He is always engaged with them in playing, herding, dancing Raasa etc.

    I hope it helps u.Haribol

    your servant

    Ashish

     

    • Volunteer

      Hare Krishna,

         

          Please accept my humble obeisances.

          All Glories to Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga.

         

          Very good question.

          There are scriptures which discuss this topic.

         

          I would recommend to read Sri Brahma-saḿhitā.

          http://vedabase.net/bs/5/en

         

          verse 5.2

         

          sahasra-patra-kamalaḿ

          gokulākhyaḿ mahat padam

          tat-karṇikāraḿ tad-dhāma

          tad-anantāḿśa-sambhavam

         

          [The spiritual place of transcendental pastimes of Kṛṣṇa is portrayed in the second verse.] The superexcellent station of Kṛṣṇa, which is known as Gokula, has thousands of petals and a corolla like that of a lotus sprouted from a part of His infinitary aspect, the whorl of the leaves being the actual abode of Kṛṣṇa.

         

          verse 5.3

         

          karṇikāraḿ mahad yantraḿ

          ṣaṭ-koṇaḿ vajra-kīlakam

          ṣaḍ-ańga-ṣaṭ-padī-sthānaḿ

          prakṛtyā puruṣeṇa ca

          premānanda-mahānanda-

          rasenāvasthitaḿ hi yat

          jyotī-rūpeṇa manunā

          kāma-bījena sańgatam

         

          The whorl of that transcendental lotus is the realm wherein dwells Kṛṣṇa. It is a hexagonal figure, the abode of the indwelling predominated and predominating aspect of the Absolute. Like a diamond the central supporting figure of self-luminous Kṛṣṇa stands as the transcendental source of all potencies. The holy name consisting of eighteen transcendental letters is manifested in a hexagonal figure with sixfold divisions.

         

          Please read entire Śrī Brahma-saḿhitā alongiwht purports of Srila Prabhupada.

         

          Also if you like please read Navadwip Dham Mahatmya by Srila Bhakti Vinod Thakur.

          http://ebooks.iskcondesiretree.info/pdf/Gaudiya_Books%20/Bhaktivino...

         

          page 9

         

          From this book, I could find following

         

          Crossing over the Viraja River and the Brahman effulgence, beyond the vaikuntha planets one comoes to Svetadvipa, Sri Goloka.

          Penetrating further, one comes to Gokula Vrindavana, Krishnaloka.

          That Krishnaloka exists in two states of emotion. Rasa expands there in the form of Madhurya and Audarya. Sweetness and Munificence.

          Audarya exists within Madhurya in fullness and Madhurya exists in Audarya in fullness.

          But that place where Madhurya is the chief state is known by fortunate persons as Vrindavana.


          And that place where Audarya is eternally predominant is called Navadvipa in all the Vedas.

         

          There is no difference between Vrindavana and Navadvipa, only the different manifestations of Rasa makes them distinct.

      Some of the verses from Caitanya Caritāmṛta are




      CC Madhya 14.219: "The natural opulence of Vṛndāvana is just like an ocean. The opulence of Dvārakā and Vaikuṇṭha is not even to be compared to a drop.

      CC Madhya 15.175: "The entire spiritual world constitutes the unlimited opulence of Kṛṣṇa, and there are innumerable Vaikuṇṭha planets there. The Causal Ocean is considered the surrounding waters of Vaikuṇṭhaloka.

      CC Madhya 19.191: "The chief devotees in conjugal love are the gopīs in Vṛndāvana, the queens in Dvārakā and the goddesses of fortune in Vaikuṇṭha. These devotees are innumerable.

      CC Madhya 19.193: "Pure attachment without reverence is found in Gokula Vṛndāvana. Attachment in which awe and reverence are prominent is found in the two cities Mathurā and Dvārakā and in Vaikuṇṭha.

      CC Madhya 20.398: "Kṛṣṇa is complete in the spiritual sky [Vaikuṇṭha], He is more complete in Mathurā and Dvārakā, and He is most complete in Vṛndāvana, Vraja, due to His manifesting all His opulences.

      CC Madhya 21.3: Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu continued, "All the transcendental forms of the Lord are situated in the spiritual sky. They preside over spiritual planets in that abode, but there is no counting those Vaikuṇṭha planets.

      CC Madhya 21.4: "The breadth of each Vaikuṇṭha planet is described as eight miles multiplied by one hundred, by one thousand, by ten thousand, by one hundred thousand and by ten million. In other words, each Vaikuṇṭha planet is expanded beyond our ability to measure.

      CC Madhya 21.5: "Each Vaikuṇṭha planet is very large, and each is made of spiritual bliss. The inhabitants are all associates of the Supreme Lord, and they have full opulence like the Lord Himself. This is how the Vaikuṇṭha planets are all situated.

      CC Madhya 21.6: "Since all the Vaikuṇṭha planets are located in a certain corner of the spiritual sky, who can measure the spiritual sky?

      CC Madhya 21.7: "The shape of the spiritual sky is compared to a lotus flower. The topmost region of that flower is called the whorl, and within that whorl is Kṛṣṇa's abode. The petals of the spiritual lotus flower consist of many Vaikuṇṭha planets.

      CC Madhya 21.8: "Each Vaikuṇṭha planet is full of spiritual bliss, complete opulence and space, and each is inhabited by incarnations. If Lord Brahmā and Lord Śiva cannot estimate the length and breadth of the spiritual sky and the Vaikuṇṭha planets, how can ordinary living entities begin to imagine them?

      CC Madhya 22.8: "Kṛṣṇa expands Himself in many forms. Some of them are personal expansions, and some are separate expansions. Thus He performs pastimes in both the spiritual and the material worlds. The spiritual worlds are the Vaikuṇṭha planets, and the material universes are the brahmāṇḍas, gigantic globes governed by Lord Brahmā.

      CC Madhya 22.9: "Expansions of His personal self — like the quadruple manifestations of Sańkarṣaṇa, Pradyumna, Aniruddha and Vāsudeva — descend as incarnations from Vaikuṇṭha to this material world. The separated expansions are the living entities. Although they are expansions of Kṛṣṇa, they are counted among His different potencies.

         

          Please talk to senior devotees within ISKCON Temples about the topic and they will explain you more in detail, also advancing in devotion by chanting and listening will make you understand such confidential and complex topics.

       

      May Radha Krishna make you advance higher in devotional service and grant you all the knowledge necessary.   

          Hope this helps.

         

          Hare Krishna, Hari Bol

          Your servant

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