i am devotee of lord krishna. i joined ISKCON last year in april and i am daily chanting 16 rounds and following all 4 regulative principals.

i have one my close relative who is christian.

she said your bhagwad geeta is based on violence. she said if krishna is supreme god then why he could not stop war and death of so many innocent people ???

god only love peace n happiness n welfare and happiness of all living entities.so why killing of so many people ?

so why there was war in battlefield of kurukshetra ??

kauravas could have been right also. who knows ???//  ( my freind says please )

she said how u can believe something which is only written in a book by srila prabhupad n not have some prove based on facts?

there could have been peace all over the world bcos of krishna unlimited potencies if he is supreme.

please advance devotees reply.


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      • Hare Krishna Mataji..

        That sign, maybe it came out as a mistake or maybe it was not a mistake. I just saw it and am wondering how that name came there. But then, you cannot decide a person to be Godman just like that :) I am still a software engineer working for an MNC.

        If at all I become a Godman some day, I will let you know first :)

        Quoting views is ok but showing hatred on fellow devotees is not. Why would I use the word hate, if I dont feel it from the messages. Somebody says rascal, somebody says fool, somebody says dont believe, look at yourself in the mirror etc, just for quoting the writings of same Guru Prabhupad. That was what I failed to understand.

  • Hare Krishna Manmohan ji

    But when Lord told that both ways will lead to Him, I really can't understand why you cannot accept it?

    Even though I agree your statement that the second way will take many births, still it is one of the ways to achieve the Lord. Then what is the trouble here? Why so much hate? Is this the trait the devotees of Lord should carry? Are we really devotees or just calling ourselves for namesake?

  • hare krishna prabhu ,

    sorry if u r mistaken , i am male. i am asking this question on behalf of my relative.she is christian.

    i am devotee of lord krishna  and daily chants 16 rounds and follow 4 regulative principals. Hare Krishna

  • Hare Krsna
    Actually there are no mistakes. Everyone is inside the divine will and nobody is outside it.
    So it is not good to be critical of anyone or anything.
  • E-Counselor

    Hare Krsna to all devotees,


    Please do not mind my stating this - I think we should not be critical of this lady. She is following one path and she has certain questions about Krsna. Maybe she has not been able to word them properly, and she is definitely mis informed. She is talking about one aspect of what is the popular/ modern conception of Krsna. Doesnt matter. She is inquiring. If we answer with patience and without getting angry or abusive, it will show her our knowledge, and our control over our senses (by not getting angry or abusive). This may encourage her to ask more questions and thereby become convinced, or she may continue to believe in Christ. Nothing wrong in that - Jesus Christ has learnt the principles of our scriptures only and was simplifying that and giving them bite sized information. Every soul has to progress, as long as the soul is evolving, nothing wrong. After dealing with us, she should not get the impression that Krsna devotees are militants, who do not tolerate another point of view at all.

    To Dear Subash Anjuru prabhu,

    I have objections to your viewpoints. You give too much importance to your mind and less to scriptures, sadhu and guru. YOu need to read more, chant more to reach a stage where you will be receptive to what others (as in guru, sadhu, shastra and other vaishnavas) are saying. Where did you arrive at lord took the form of KRsna. Krsna is avatari. Acharya Jayadeva has also mentioned - kesava dhrita dasa vidha rupa, jaya jagadish hare.... apart from Brahma mentioning Govindam Adi Purusham Tam Aham Bhajami.


    Your servant,


    • Hare Krsna rashmi mataji

      Please accept my humble obeicences ,

      It is my first day here reading these posts, ... I agree , we should not be critical of others , and that we should be understanding of those who are taught to be suspicious of our beieifs the missunderstanding is not their fault , therefore we should take time to explain nicely so as to remove their confusion . It is important that we do not discredit our tradition , we must be allways thoughtfull and gentle in our replies , it is far better to give just a little of the wisdom of the gita that we know they will understand , than it is to try to convince or refute anothers beleifs is sometimes very damaging  even to try to ''counter'' one question with an arguement can be very dangerous ...

      we must remember that Krsna is all atractive , we allso must be all atractive in our dealings with others and never chide another for their beleifs even if they are wrong , we must find skillfull ways to gently lead others to realisation .

      also I must ask is it wise to have objections to anothers veiw point ?

      Subash Anjuru ji is learning as are we all .

      we must be carefull that we do not find fault in anothers efforts to discuss , reading and chanting alone will not make one receptive to what others are trying to say , we need to treat eachother with patience and understanding and listen between the words this will do more to help another to deepen in understanding ,

      I can understand that it is not easy as English is not everyones first language , so again tollerance is very important .

      it would be very sad if we cause another to leave because we are not willing to listen for the meaning behind anothers words .

      • E-Counselor

        Hare Krsna Mataji,


        Thank you for your feedback.

        What can I say for someone who has come to the forum for the first time, read one post and is advising based on that? There is a lot of history with Subash Anjuru prabhu which you are not aware of - because you have not read all the posts.

        Anyways I stand corrected. It is not for me to correct anyone - nobody gave me that mandate.

        I came to this forum to read basically. When I started to see the posts, I realised taht I know the answers and started to reply. That became a kind of habit and I started to look forward to the questions. I thought what I am writing is the philosophy given by Srila Prabhupada, and since this is an ISKCON discussion forum, we should give everyone the philosophy of ISKCON.

        I am sorry, I did not intend to create disturbance and offend anyone.

        Please accept my apologies and dandavats.


        Your servant,


    • thanks rashmi mata ji for ur kind answers and advice to other devotees. u r very nice devotee. please keep on serving fallen souls like us . Hari bol.

    • There are mayavadi rascals that we have been warned against by Srila Prabhupada. This so called tool is trying hard to fit in that category.
      Caitanya Mahaprabhu said anyone who listens to their philosophy is doomed.
      They are the greatest offenders of the Supreme Personality of Godhead because they deny His eternal transcendental form which is full of knowledge and bliss.
      • Bg 12.3-4But those who fully worship the unmanifested, that which lies beyond the perception of the senses, the all-pervading, inconceivable, unchanging, fixed and immovable – the impersonal conception of the Absolute Truth – by controlling the various senses and being equally disposed to everyone, such persons, engaged in the welfare of all, at last achieve Me. 

        --This is from  Bhagavad Gita As It Is, written by Srila Prabhupad. I really doubt if you people are really following your Guru. And I dont understand the hatred in you. Krishna told that both, will achieve Him(i.e those who meditate upon his Form and also those who worship His  unmanifested form).

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