Does our vedic literatures ever say anything about the recently discovered "HIGS-BOSON PARTICLES" or "GOD PARTICLES" ?
Pls discuss on this topic by standing on the vedic base.
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Hare Krishna Prabhuji,
The actual God particle is the Supersoul, which is smaller than anything else in all of existence. By loving devotion one can directly perceive the complete form of the original God particle. This is the real science of the God particle.
Hare Krishna Devotees. Dandavat Pranam. All Glories to Srila Prabhupada
In todays date Media in collaboration with money making firms promoting such things that is very bewildering to people in large , and practically driving the lifes of thousands of innocent people. It has created such an atmosphere in modern era that whatever media prints or publish people in general accepts it as true without giving any rational thought to it, without having drill down further the subject matter in details and identify with the publication due to false egoism.
Recently news came of "GOD-Practicle" , which is practically now became everyone's subject matter of talking specially in India where people have Practically no knowledge of How science works, but still due to their not satisfying desire of becoming someone great they identify with this subject matter and confuse their selves as well as others. The name "GOD" in the particle is itself give the view at first instance that scientist might have discovered God and mystery of Universe but unfortunately the subject matter neither say so nor it has anything to do with God. But it creates an adverse effect in general mass, who has already became athestic due their westernized education to further snatch away them from God. " THIS PROVES THE CHEATING PROPENSITY OF MEDIA AND SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY".
so let us analyse step by step what God-particle is ? why there is God in it ? Can scientist find God in the way they are searching ? What is the Vedic view regarding this?
What is God Particle?
The Higgs boson or God Particle is the final missing piece of the Standard Model, the theory that explains the basic building blocks of our universe. Finding the Higgs validates the entire model.Scientists believe that in the first fraction of a second after the Big Bang, particles zipped around the universe at the speed of light with no mass, and no inertia. It was only through their interaction with the “Higgs field” that they acquired mass and were capable of forming the universe.
Why God in it?
It's called the god particle because that's marketable. Originally, it was meant to be called the god-damn particle, because it was so god-damn hard to find. ~ SEE THE CHEATING :)
What is mean by Particle ?
The whole scientific experiment of Physics is based on dull matter. Matter is made of molecules; molecules of atoms; atoms are made up of sub atomic particles. atoms of a cloud of electrons about one-hundred-millionth of a centimeter and a nucleus about one-hundred-thousandth the size of the electron cloud. The nucleus is made of protons and neutrons. Each proton (or neutron) has about two thousand times the mass of an electron. So Higgs Boson is one of the particle that gives mass to the particle mentioned above. Now you will be surprised that "There are no such things as physical electron particles" ........:)
As is well noted in the field of quantum physics a so-called "electron" is really just a cloud of probabilities in which the illusory appearance of an electron-like particle might be teased out of the fabric of reality under the right experimental circumstances, but no such discrete object can be said to truly "exist" in the physical world.
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SCIENCE IS ALSO BASED ON PROBABILITY AND ASSUMTION , INTERESTING IS NOT?
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Now let us see defination of Physics and what Vedic literatures says about matter
The branch of science concerned with the nature and properties of matter and energy. The subject matter of physics, distinguished from that of chemistry and biology, includes mechanics, heat, light and other radiation, sound, electricity, magnetism, and the structure of atoms.
Hence it is clear That Physics , all modern scientific experiment is based on dull matter only. So we would like to see what Bhagavad Gita Says about Dull matter.
BG 7.4: Earth, water, fire, air, ether, mind, intelligence and false ego — all together these eight constitute My separated material energies.
Purport
In the material energy, the principal manifestations are eight, as above mentioned. Out of these, the first five manifestations, namely earth, water, fire, air and sky, are called the five gigantic creations or the gross creations, within which the five sense objects are included. They are the manifestations of physical sound, touch, form, taste and smell. Material science comprises these ten items and nothing more.
So in the first place Krishna negates (neti neti) the matter from His superior energy which is soul. And blunt scientist are finding God in Krishna's inferior energy . How Funny and Silly.
let see How Upanishads discriminate the matter and supreme Consciousness
The destructible îs the pradhana or Prakriti (material nature); the immortal and the indestructible is the hara (.. the indindividual self) and the Lord alone rules over the destructible Prakriti (matter) and the individual self' (Svetasavatara Upa. I-10)
When the seer behold Him, thegolden-coloured, the creator, the Lord, the Person and thê cause of the Matter,
then the wise hot tainted with evil, becomes entîrely equal to Him, having discarded Punya and Papa (i.e. the
effects of good and bad deeds) ' (Mandukya Upanisad III-I-3).
Further more this atomic theory of universe is not something new. Vedanta sutra clearly and very logically refutes this matter theory . I am just giving the Sutras.
Vedanta Sutra 2.1.1-37
7. Kanada (the atomic theorist) and Gautama (the logician) refuted.
8. The material world is not different from Brahman.
9. The Supreme Brahman is the creator of the material world.
Vedanta Sutra 2.2.1-44
1. Atheistic Sankhya refuted (which is quite same as modern scientist thinks that consciousness came from dull matter).
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THIS CONFIRMS THAT SCIENTIST ARE TRYING TO EXPLORING THE CREATION OF UNIVERSE WITH A PRE-SUPPOSE ASSUMTION THAT CONSCIOUSNESS CAME FROM MATTER, WHERE AS VEDAS SAYS THE OPPOSITE. THEN HOW CAN SCIENTIST FIND GOD? ISN'T IT RIDICULIOS.
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The defination of Supreme ATMA or GOD in vedas is He is : sat (eternal), Chit (Consciousness ), Ananda (Bliss) or
Satyam ( eternal Truth ), Jyanam (Consciousness or Knowledge) , Anantam (Infinite). Now if we analyse matter we see that matter is nethier sat or eternal , because matter decays gradually , it is neither Chit or conscious of its presence, i.e. matter is not the observer of any second object. and last of all its not Infinite also. Matter has limitation.
So all this shows us that a scientist journey to know the key of universe is not at all inline what Veda says about God and Creation. Its nothing but a Knower's activity in the field of matter in the mode of passion which is driven by false-ego. Now passion always creates, its nature's law , so we should not be confused if scientist invents something by exploting nature, because nature facilitates one's desire accordingly. Its nothing new to the knower of Vedas.
Krishna also confirms this in Bhagavad Gita that :
BG 7.13: Deluded by the three modes [goodness, passion and ignorance], the whole world does not know Me, who am above the modes and inexhaustible.
The matter which scientist are experimenting on is nothing but gross form of the combination of three modes along with material elements. Now Krishna clearly confirming the Vedic statements that He is beyond matter that is what transcendental mean, then how come matter will prove something which is not matter. Isn't it common sense?
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Last but not the least if scientists even found the subtlest particle of the universe still they will not find GOD because God is subtler than the subtlest
BG 13.16: The Supreme Truth exists outside and inside of all living beings, the moving and the nonmoving. Because He is subtle, He is beyond the power of the material senses to see or to know. Although far, far away, He is also near to all.
BrihadAranyaka Upanisads : He has entered into all beings and rules them from within as their soul or self.This atma is the inner ruler. The earth is his body, the water are his body, Light is his body the soul (or Jiva ) is his body. He is the innerself that controls all from within.
He who dwelling in the sun, is within the sun, whom the sun doës not know, whose body is the sun, who internally rules the sun--Hê is thy Self, internal ruler and immortal,' (Madh. Brh. III-7-9)
BG 15.13: I enter into each planet, and by My energy they stay in orbit. I become the moon and thereby supply the juice of life to all vegetables.
Having created it, He entered into it ; having entered into it, He became the sentient(Conscious being) and the non-sentient beings (dull matter) .' (Taittiriya Upanisad. II-6-1),
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So all this evidence proves that Knowing GOD is a different science , not this blunt science of dull matter. Scientist may find some amazing stuffs, but that doesn't mean that will lead them to God. Because they have faith according to the mode of passion, whose characteristics is to create, Thats why they can invent as much material stuff as possible because Upanisad says
He is the Lord of all the worlds and also of all desires' ' His name is' High '. This same person is risen above alI sins' (Chandhogya Upanisad I-6-7).
So if scientist are desiring something and working on it to achieve that, Krishna is fullfilling, nothing astonishing in it to a knower of Vedas.
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Your aspiring Servant
Hari BOL
my humble obeisances Sudipta Roy Prabhuji,
Prabhuji, You wrote above thing, does it mean that You want to say that there is no atoms or molecules? Please could You explain it with simple words!
Thank You!
Your servant,
Hare Krishna Mataji. Danadavat Pranam. All glories to Srila Prabhupada
A scientific model is first made to describe a phenomenon that scientist observes in nature. Which is in the initial stage is totally conceptual. Then they test it based on their model and gather evidence to support the validity of their model . The test governs by some standard rules and regulation. So atoms and further subatomic particle are pre-assumtion to conduct a test, By the effect of the test results they calculate the characteristics of that particular particle. If most of the test gives similar results then they come to conclusion about the characteristic of that particular particle that is under the test.
In this way they assume characteristics of atoms from the resultant effects of a test, not the atom itself. It is still controversial within the scientist community regarding its existence. But the observed phenomenon in all the test showed that this kind of thing exist according to their believe. Just like in math we are taught in school the imaginary value of √ -i .
So it is not that scientific research is all about things that is observable. No. Most of the time it includes many things which are probabilities and assumption. One need firm faith in that particular system of scientific studies to dedicate their life on it.
SCIENCE IS ALSO A RELIGION OF FAITH IN NON-INTELLIGENT MATTER........:)
Your aspiring servant
Hari Bol
hare krsna pr ji..i think it is good that our scientist also started believing in God now.earlier they refused to accept existence of God becoz they cannot find it .but now they are able to find it in form of higgs boson particle so it is good that they are also moving toward absolute truth..so i think we should happy..may be they are wrong in their approach but ultimately they are also convinced that there is something who created this beautiful world..so we should thank ful to God that he gave them intelligence to know him...
my humble obeisances Sudipta Roy Prabhu,
oh my God, but as i know even not learning too much physics that there is no end for braking something into small pieces. For example, if we take banana we brake it into two peaces then into 4 then into 8 then into 16 ....in this way there is not end for this. In this way we can even logically see that all these products are made of very small, separate particles.
Also it says that our body is in the form of Virat Rupa - the tiny copy of the big body. And everyday we can see that our body is getting into destruction.
For example, it says that souls changes one body into another even in this life time. So it means some parts of body daily die and new parts grow.
It means small cells die and new cells grow. In this way within 7-8 years full body is changed into new one. And it is called as reincarnation.
And in his book reality and shadow HH Suhotra Swami says that only not changeable reality is soul but the body is moving around as like all planets move around the mount Meru.
In this way our body is constructed out of such like independent cells which can also move. So here we can see that each cell is also moving and by such like movement they stay are together in order other wise they would float.
How can i explain it ????????? difficult...........
In Srimad Bhagavatam Srila Prabhupada writes that all planets stay in the air just because they are moving. It is not because of gravitation force.
Gravitation force is also there but it does not have enough power to keep planets in order and make them move.
And what to say of the saying "Krishna is in every atom" ? Krishna is in every particle. Not far ago we read that Srila Prabhupada told in one dialog that Krishna is even in the stone. So even stone has life....
ONLY REALITY IS SOUL AND THIS BODY IS NOT OTHER THAN MOVING ATOMS AROUND THE SOUL - WHO IS IN THE HEART.
Your servant,
if i am wrong please correct me!
how difficult to understand this, please can someone write in simple words what is this "HIGGS BOSSON PArticles"!
Does it mean that quantum theory is wrong?
Thank You!
Your servant,
I am not glorifying Higgs. but I have seen when untrained preachers approaches open thinkers they just give a wrong Idea about spiritual practice, and turn them atheists. And the preachers of Church are master in it when they touch a open thinker that open thinker will surely become an atheist.
in most of the cases they are not envious of god they are irritated of those people who fanatically tried to convert their brains
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