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My question is that while chanting the Maha-mantra, the physical changes which a devotee experiences like heavy breathing, sweating, little raised blood pressure, a slight fainting like feeling, etc are these symptoms of ecstasy ? or is something wrong with the technique of japa?

 

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  • sri guru gauranga jayatu

    the symptoms of ecstasy is a trancendental science. it is not just emotional reaction or so.
    the ecstacies are 5 categories. and the symptoms u have mentioned are sattvika bhavas ie, like perspiring, losing consiousness .sattvika bhavas appear from suddha sattva (pure trancendental substance - combination of samvit and hladini function) .but suddha sattva comes at the stage of bhava bhakti.
    the heavy breathing and so on are alambana and sancari bhavas. heavy breathing etc occurs usually during separation and before meeting krsna.

    so if someone displays such syptoms of ecstasy that could be rati abhasa (semblence of bhava). but still it is said even a semblence of bhava can fullfill all desires of the jivas.

    and most importantly many of us are not even practising suddha bhakti / svarupa siddha bhakti described by primary charateristic (svarupa laksana of bhakti) ie anukulyena krsna anusilanam . but we are practising bhakti abhasa( chaya or pratibimba) described by marginal characteristic (tatastha laksana) ie, presence of desires other than pleasing krsna, desire for fruitive results,liberation etc..

    we must test ouselves with these parameters what i am doing , where am i.

    and the technique of japa - we can adopt whatever means are favorable for good japa.but we shouldnt think our japa is successful due to these methods ( this means we believe in our abilities and technique than the power of the name). actually as one starts to chant , gradually the nama prabhu will be merciful unto the devotee and reveal his svarupa in sequence. first the form manifests, then the qualities, and pastimes. we dont even need to manipulate our mind to think of these things. the name will first purify the mind , then in that purified mind these aspects will themself reveal.
    the name itself will do everything - it will also awaken ur dormant love for lord in a particular relationship,also ur service, group etc etc etc. this is called sthayibhava . based upon these the other 4 bhavas will act differently. this sthayibhava is like a base drawing sheet, and other bhavas are like different varities of colours. when all colours are painted on the sheet in different proportion and ways that will give a very wonderful picture. this mixing of bhavas with sthayibhava as background will create relishment for krsna and that bhakta. thus bhavas combine to form rasa.

    these are a tiny portion of science of ecstasies. so understanding this we can see that before that bhava stage , whatever symptoms are seen may be abhasa or not even that.

    more importantly we must check these symptoms of ecstasies which are sign of genuine ecstacy -
    avyarta kalatvam - that devotee doesnt even spend a moment without hariseva

    nama gane sada ruci - always has deep attachment for chanting his name

    ksanti - undisturbed even at the times of calamity

    etcc.. u can find these in the nector of devotion book.
  • Yes, there are symptoms of ecstasy but that only happens when the chanting is very pure.
  • Hare Krsna
    You will know ecstasy when you experience ecstasy.
    There will be no doubt left and you won't be asking like this.
    How can you experience ecstasy and doubt your chanting at the same time?
  • I know this is a very naive question for me to ask but i wanted to know that what should devotee's state of mind while chanting? i have read in one of the books, Srila Prabhupada says that it is natural that the mind may wander while chanting. 

    i request devotees to provide guidance regarding this

    Hare Krishna!

    • Hare Krishna Prabhuji!
      Thank you for this nectar of guidance.
      A complete surrender to Krishna is needed while chanting. Yes very true, a humble & soft heart is the only way.
      And once the chanting increases, I feel I get more & more cleansed and feel more humbler. This feeling cannot be described, it's like you're not sad, but you're not happy as well. It's something like, you are effortlessly able to see things as they are and with no material adulteration. I think this is the beginning or early signs of Krishna Consciousness!
    • Mind should be occupied with Lord and His past times.

      Anyway, generally speaking, pure chanting without offences is chanting with humble state of mind and soft heart. That means you need to weep for Krishna.

      There was a person from Navadvipa-dhama who used to come to Vamsi das Babaji Maharaja. One day, he thought, "I have the desire to obtain the Supreme Lord. How can I get Bhagavan?" He was only murmuring, speaking to himself, so Babaji Maharaja did not reply. This person came back repeatedly to see Babaji Maharaja. Finally, one day, he approached Maharaja directly. 

      "What do you want?" Babaji Maharaja asked him.

      "I want to see Bhagavan," the man said.

      Babaji Maharaja replied with only one word: "Weep!"

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  • Understanding the yogic kundalini principles of the transcendental energy produced by chanting is an important aspect to understanding an in depth relationship to your body, mind and spirit soul, no matter what name you may call it....physical changes will occur....best to investigate the transcendental teaching of the many various forms of yoga besides the the Bhagavada Gita's approach to get a full understanding of all the yogic science's for advance, intelligent, understandings....Om Hari Om krishna, Shiva, etc.....

    • Hare Krishna Prabhuji! 

      dandavat pranam! 

      Yes correct Prabhuji. your guidance just re-assured what i asked to mathaji. as a devotee working in the material world, he/she comes across material energy throughout the day, so by the end of the day, the mind is slightly affected by this energy and wanders around, thus not allowing to focus while chanting and in Krishna Consciousness. so i feel that before chanting, one should calm his/her mind by pranayama or through other various yoga forms that you mentioned, and once the mind and the senses are calm and in control, then one should chant to get the maximum benefit. this i think comes under 'Asthanga Yoga' if i am not wrong. 

      Prabhuji, please can you specify which are the other forms of yoga that you are suggesting?

       

      Haribol!!!!

       

  • SB 12.8.35 — These two sages, Nara and Nārāyaṇa, were the direct personal forms of the Supreme Lord. When Mārkaṇḍeya Ṛṣi saw Them, he immediately stood up and then with great respect offered Them obeisances by falling down flat on the ground like a stick.
    SB 12.8.36 — The ecstasy of seeing Them completely satisfied Mārkaṇḍeya’s body, mind and senses and caused the hairs on his body to stand on end and his eyes to fill with tears. Overwhelmed, Mārkaṇḍeya found it difficult to look at Them.
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    SB 10.33.11 — Upon the shoulder of one gopī Kṛṣṇa placed His arm, whose natural blue-lotus fragrance was mixed with that of the sandalwood pulp anointing it. As the gopī relished that fragrance, her bodily hair stood on end in jubilation, and she kissed His arm.
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    SB 10.85.38 — Taking hold of the Lords’ lotus feet again and again, Bali, the conqueror of Indra’s army, spoke from his heart, which was melting out of his intense love. O King, as tears of ecstasy filled his eyes and the hair on his limbs stood on end, he began to speak with faltering words.
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    SB 8.17.6 — Aditi stood silently with folded hands, unable to offer prayers to the Lord. Because of transcendental bliss, tears filled her eyes, and the hairs on her body stood on end. Because she could see the Supreme Personality of Godhead face to face, she felt ecstasy, and her body trembled.
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    SB 7.4.41 — Sometimes, feeling the touch of the Lord’s lotus hands, he became spiritually jubilant and remained silent, his hairs standing on end and tears gliding down from his half-closed eyes because of his love for the Lord.
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    SB 6.16.31 — As soon as Mahārāja Citraketu saw the Supreme Lord, he was cleansed of all material contamination and situated in his original Kṛṣṇa consciousness, being completely purified. He became silent and grave, and because of love for the Lord, tears fell from his eyes, and his hairs stood on end. With great devotion and love, he offered his respectful obeisances unto the original Personality of Godhead.
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    SB 11.14.23 — If one’s hairs do not stand on end, how can the heart melt? And if the heart does not melt, how can tears of love flow from the eyes? If one does not cry in transcendental bliss, how can one render loving service to the Lord? And without such service, how can the consciousness be purified?
     
     
    • Hare Krishna Dean Prabhu! 

      dandavat pranam! 

      your detailed guidance directly from the Srimad Bhagavatam has given me a whole new perspective regarding the ecstasy felt by a devotee during chanting. this is very re-assuring! thank you very much for your guidance Prabhuji! 

      Haribol!!!!

       

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