Hare Krsna!
Please accept my humble obeisances.
All Glories to Srila Prabhupada!
Is the spiritual identity/body in relationship with Sri Sri Radha and Krsna is fixed,
unchanged in the spiritual realm like Goloka Vrndavan, or after attaining the spiritual
body can it change?
With love and respects,
inci
Replies
Dear Rakesh,
Hare Krsna!
Please accept my humble obeisances.
Thank you for your reply. It is a very nice answer. May I also kindly ask you, how we can support this information from the scriptures, puranas or from the lectures of our acharyas? Thank you again for your kind answer.
Your servant
hare krsna mataji
pamho
agtsp
the verse below shows that our svarupa can be changed according to our bhava.
seva sadhaka-rupena siddha-rupena catra hi
tad-bhava-lipsuna karya vraja-lokanusaratah
"The raganuga devotional practitioner who is desirous of attaining to the position of an eternal associate of the Lord in Vrndavana should follow the moods and mellows of those particular associates in two ways. (1) Externally, as a sadhaka, the devotee should follow all the rules and regulations of vaidhi, and (2) internally, in one's siddha-rupa (spiritual form conceived within the mind) meditate on the seva of Krsna in the company of His dear associates in Vrndavana." (Brs. 1.2.295)
PURPORT
Seva-sadhaka-rupena in this sloka refers to all the seva that one may perform in one's present body. As a sadhaka, one should certainly follows all of the rules, regulations, and sadacara as prescribed and practiced by Sri Rupa Gosvami, Sri Raghunatha dasa Gosvami and the other Gaudiya Vaisnava acaryas
"who is desirous of attaining to the position of an eternal associate of the Lord in Vrndavana should follow the moods and mellows of those particular associates" here the words desirous and those particular associate indicate that to which devotee we are inclined and we want to follow.
as the above shloka includes raganuga sadhna bhakti , i am quoting some explaination regarding it.
The Definition
In Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu Sri Rupa Gosvami describes two types of raga-bhakti: (a) ragatmika and (b) raganuga. First, he describes ragatmika-bhakti, because raganuga devotion presupposes this and follows in its wake.
iste svarasiki ragah paramavistata bhavet
tanmayi ya bhaved bhaktih satra ragatmikodita
"That spontaneous attraction for the ista-devata (the worshipable Deity of one's heart's choice), combined with complete absorption in thoughts of Him, with an intense desire of love is termed ragatmika-bhakti." (Brs. 1.2.272)
Next, raganuga-bhakti is described.
virajantim abhivyaktam vrajavasi janadisu
ragatmikam anusrta ya sa raganugocyate
"That bhakti which is directed to following the moods and mellows of Sri
Krsna's eternal ragatmika Vrndavana associates is termed raganuga." (Brs. 1.2.270)
At this point the difference between ragatmika and raganuga should be clearly understood. That spontaneous attraction pertaining to the caliber of devotion found in Sri Krsna's eternal Vraja associates is called ragatmika-bhakti. Raganuga-bhakti, however, is described by Sri Rupa Gosvami as a limb of sadhana-bhakti, or bhakti in practice. (It should be noted at this point that if raganuga-bhakti is mistaken for ragat- mika-bhakti, then this form of sadhana becomes completely out of reach for anyone of this world.)
In Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu Sri Rupa divides bhakti into three progressive stages:
(1) Sadhana-bhakti: devotion in practice
(2) Bhava-bhakti: devotion in relation to relishing transcendental rasa
(3) Prema-bhakti: devotion in complete love of God
In this first stage of sadhana-bhakti (devotion in practice), there are two types---- vaidhi and raganuga. Both of these methods are for conditioned bhaktas who are still under the influence of the modes of nature. Of these two methods, however, Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja especially mentions the raganuga process as the best means for the sadhaka to elevate himself to the level of bhava.
ei mata kore jeba raganuga-bhakti
krsnera carane tanra upajaya priti
prity-ankure rati, bhaba----hoy dui nama
jaha hoite basa hana sri-bhagavan
"If a person worships by the process of raganuga-bhakti, his love for Krsna will gradually become awakened. That love in the awakening stage is called rati or bhava. It is by this bhava of the devotee that the Lord becomes subjugated." (C.C.Mad.
22.164-165)
Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja next praises that person as fortunate who hears about the nature of Krsna's eternal Vraja associates and desires to follow in their footsteps:
ragamayi-bhaktira hoy ragatmika nama
taha suni´ lubdha hoy kona bhagyavan
lobhe braja-basira bhabe kore anugati
"The bhakti of the Vrajavasis (Krsna's eternal Vraja associates) is filled with deep attachment for the Lord-----this is called ragatmika-bhakti. If one should hear about this type of bhakti and then become lubdha (anxious) for it, he is truly fortunate. Such a person will then eagerly follow the moods and mellows of those Vraja devotees." (C.C.Mad. 22.152-153)
WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO PERFORM RAGANUGA-BHAKTI SADHANA?
In Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu Sri Rupa Gosvami describes the cause of the awakening of this lubdha for serving the Lord as follow:
tat tad bhavadi madhurye srute dhiryad apeksate
natra sastram na yuktim ca tal lobhotpatti laksanam
Explanatory translation:
"When the sweetness of the bhavas and activities of the eternal associates of Krsna in Vraja are listened to from the Bhagavatam and allied scriptures that deal with the transcendental pastimes of the Lord, and by such hearing there is awakened in the heart even to a limited degree a realization of the supreme beauty and sweetness of the gopas and gopis of Vraja, then the intellectual faculty of such a person is no longer bound by unrelated scriptural injunctions or mere human reasoning or unfavorable arguments. Such a state is said to be the cause and sign of the awakening of the devotee's intense craving for raganuga-bhakti." (Brs. 1.2.292)
From this verse it appears that simply if one innocently hears about Krsna's sweet pastimes in Vraja and thinks to himself, "How wonderful! How can I take up the sadhana to prepare myself for becoming eligible to serve Sri Krsna and His associates also at the time of perfection?", is such a person then eligible? The answer to this question is "yes", as affirmed by Sri Rupa Gosvami in Bhakti-rasamrta- sindhu:
tatra adhikari
ragatmikaikanistha ye vrajavasi janadayah
tesam bhavaptaye lubdho bhaved atradhikaravan
Translation:
"If one becomes lubdha, or anxious to follow the moods and mellows of Krsna's ragatmika Vraja associates (who have great one-pointed nistha in the Lord's service), then that anxiousness alone is sufficient cause to have adhikara (eligibility) to begin the process of raganuga-bhakti."
Sri Rupa also goes even further to state:
sri murte madhurim preksya tat tal lilam nisamya va
tad bhavakanksino ye syus tesu sadhana tanayoh
purane sruyate padme pumsam api bhavediyam
"Those who aspire after and long for the different sentiments of the Vraja gopis after listening to the madhura-lilas of the Lord, or after seeing the beauty of the Sri Vigraha (murti image) or portraits of the Lord, are alone eligible to follow the path of raganuga-bhakti. In the Padma Purana it is stated that even males may become attracted to attaining these bhavas."
It can also be noted that in the commentaries of these two slokas, Sri Visvanatha Cakravarti (in the first sloka) and Sri Jiva Gosvami (in the second) affirm that simply hearing about Krsna's madhura-lilas, or seeing the form of the Lord, or portraits of
His pastimes with the gopis, and then becoming anxious, are sufficient causes to render a devotee eligible to begin the process of raganuga-bhakti-sadhana.
As previously stated, raganuga-bhakti is a limb of sadhana-bhakti performed by bhaktas before the attainment of bhava (and after as well). So the question may be asked at this point, "At what stage can raganuga-bhakti-sadhana actually begin?" Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti has written a book devoted to understanding this subject matter entitled Raga-vartma-candrika. There Srila Cakravartpada has answered this question as follows:
atha raganuga-bhakti-majjanasyanartha-nivrtti-nistharucyasaktyanantaram prema- bhumikarudhasya saksat svabhistha prapti prakarah pradarsyate
In regard to performing raganuga-sadhana in context with becoming gradually elevated to the spiritual world, Srila Visvanatha says: "Thereafter, how does the raganuga-bhakti-sadhaka attain to the progressive stages of anartha-nivrtti, ruci, asakti, bhava and prema, and then reach the fulfillment of all desires? That may be explained as follows..........." So by obvious deduction, when Srila Visvanatha Cakravarti says that through the cultivation of raganuga-sadhana the bhakta may gradually elevate himself through the progressive stages of sadhana-bhakti beginning with anartha-nivrtti, etc., then we may conclude that raganuga-bhakti may begin even before the stage of anartha-nivrtti, i.e. from the stage of bhajana-kriya.
In his Bhakti-sandarbha, Sri Jiva Gosvami discusses the topic of raganuga-sadhana at length, describing two different types of raganuga-bhaktas. (1) Jata-ruci --- those who have attained to the stage of relishing this form of bhajana 24 hours through continuous japa, arcana, meditation, etc... and (2) ajata-ruci ---- those who have not yet attained to such a stage of attraction. Most persons will belong to this second category.
For this second class of raganuga-bhaktas Sri Jiva Gosvami recommends the following:
ajatatadrsa rucina tu sadrisesadara matradrta raganugapi vaidhi sambalitaivanustheya; tatha loka-samgrahartham pratisthena jatatadrsa rucina ca. atra misratve ca yatha yogyaµ raganugayaiki krtyaiva vaidhi kartavya.
"Those bhaktas who have developed some interest in the path of raganuga-bhakti- sadhana, but who do not possess such a deep hankering as the jata-ruci-raganuga-bhaktas, should combine the principles of vaidhi-bhakti with their performance of raganuga-sadhana."
In this way even the jata-ruci-bhakta, for the purpose of teaching the people in general, may perform raganuga-sadhana mixed with the principles of vaidhi-bhakti. In this regard Sri Jiva does not mean to say that a few principles of raganuga-sadhana may be added to one's performance of vaidhi-bhakti, but rather he is indicating here that raganuga-bhajana may be enhanced by following the principles of vaidhi-bhakti that are harmonious with each individual practitioner's flow of raga.
In Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu Sri Rupa also supports this version as follows:
sravanot kirtanadini vaidha-bhaktyuditani tu
yanyangani ca tanyatra vijneyani manisibhih
"In raganuga-bhakti-sadhana, the limbs of vaidhi-bhakti such as the nine processes of bhakti beginning with sravana and kirtana, accepting the shelter of a guru, performing ekadasi fasting, marking the body with Visnu tilaka, etc. are also to be accepted."
A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF RAGANUGA-BHAKTI IN PRACTICE
Sri Rupa Gosvami recommends as follows from Bhakti-rasamrta-sindhu:
krsnam smaran janancasya prestham nija-samihitam
tat tat katha-ratas casau kuryad vasam vraje sada
"One should live in Vrndavana and perform smarana or remembrance of Krsna along with His dearest Vrndavana associates (and in particular, those associates that the devotee himself would like to attain to the service of). One should also constantly discuss the topics of those particular devotees in relation to Krsna." (Brs.
1.2.294)
(Note: If it is not possible to physically reside in Vrndavana, then one should try to at least reside there mentally.)
seva sadhaka-rupena siddha-rupena catra hi
tad-bhava-lipsuna karya vraja-lokanusaratah
"The raganuga devotional practitioner who is desirous of attaining to the position of an eternal associate of the Lord in Vrndavana should follow the moods and mellows of those particular associates in two ways. (1) Externally, as a sadhaka, the devotee should follow all the rules and regulations of vaidhi, and (2) internally, in one's siddha-rupa (spiritual form conceived within the mind) meditate on the seva of Krsna in the company of His dear associates in Vrndavana." (Brs. 1.2.295)
PURPORT
Seva-sadhaka-rupena in this sloka refers to all the seva that one may perform in one's present body. As a sadhaka, one should certainly follows all of the rules, regulations, and sadacara as prescribed and practiced by Sri Rupa Gosvami, Sri Raghunatha dasa Gosvami and the other Gaudiya Vaisnava acaryas.
Siddha-rupena-seva refers to the internal manasi-seva (service performed within the mind) directed to following the moods and mellows of Sri Rupa Manjari, Sri Rati Manjari and their associates. These manjaris are always busy day and night preparing tasteful arrangements for the satisfaction of Radha and Krsna in Their many continuously unfolding lilas.
Sri Rupa Gosvami gives reference from Sanat-kumara-samhita of how one can meditate on one's siddha-svarupa as follows:
atmanam cintayet tatra tasam madhye manoramam
rupa-yauvana-sampannam kisorim pramadakrtim
sakhinam sangini-rupam atmanam vasanamayim
ajna-sevaparam tat tat krpalankara-bhusitam
"The raganuga-sadhaka should meditate on his/her own form to be that of a beau- tiful youthful kisori-gopi, who is most attractive to the mind of Krsna. This form is situated as a sangini, or constant companion, of Sri Lalita, Sri Visakha, Sri Rupa Manjari, Sri Rati Manjari, etc., and by their orders is enthusiastic to perform seva to Sri Radha-Madhava. This form, which is created from the desire of the sadhaka, should also be contemplated as being dressed and decorated similar to the other gopis, with the prasadi outfit and ornaments previously worn by Srimati Radharani."
(This sloka is also found in the arcana-paddhatis of Sri Gopalaguru and Dhyanacandra Gosvami.)
PURPORT
The word cintayet means that one should try and see one's own very self (atma) as being similar to the forms and moods of the nitya-siddha-sakhis and manjaris. In other words, one should firmly practice cultivating the mentality that this particular form which is being meditated on is my actual self. This is the real me, not this external material body that I now possess. By the continued practice of this type of meditation, that very form may be gradually seen by the grace of the Lord from within one's own heart. (It should be noted that this is an internal practice of meditation. If some sadhaka should apply such attention to dressing or decorating his gross material body like that of a gopi, then such a person may be said to possess perverse mentality.)
yad yad dhiya ta urugaya vibhavayanti
tat-tad-vapuh pranayase sad-anugrahaya
Lord Brahma says: "O dear Lord, Your devotees who worship you in ecstasy may desire a particular spiritual body which will be suitable for their discharge of nitya-seva to You. Being kind to them, You award such a suitable body according to their hearts' choice." (BhŒg. 3.9.11)
Sri Narottama dasa Thakura also affirms this process as follows:
sadhane bhabibo jaha siddha-dehe pabo taha
ragapathera ei se upaya
sadhane je dhana cai siddha-dehe taha pai
pakkapakka matra se bicara
"In this lifetime all of the thoughts and desires that the sadhaka may hanker for in terms of direct seva to the Lord will be fulfilled at the time of receiving a siddha- deha. This is the method for those who tread the path of raganuga-bhakti. It is only a question of waiting for the fruit of prema-bhakti to ripen." (Prema-bhakti-candrika 55)
Srila Krsnadasa Kaviraja more clearly defines this seva-sadhaka-rupena sloka in Caitanya-caritamrta as follows:
bahya, antara,--- ihara dui ta' sadhana
'bahye' sadhaka-dehe kore sravana-kirtana
'mane' nija-siddha-deha koriya bhabana
ratri-dine kore braje krsnera sebana
"Sadhana-bhakti should be performed both externally and internally. First, one should engage the body and external senses in the processes of devotional service beginning with sravana and kirtana (hearing and chanting). Next, internally, one should engage the mind to think of one's own siddha-deha (spiritual body), and in that spiritual body conceived within the mind to day and night perform seva to Krsna in Vrndavana." (C.C. Mad. 22.156-157)
PURPORT
The words ratri-dine kore braje krsnera sebana, to mentally serve Krsna both day and night in Vraja, refer to the seva of Krsna's asta-kala-lila (the eightfold lilas that take place through day and night). These eightfold lila pastimes are eternally being manifest in Goloka Vrndavana. These are Krsna's original lilas from which all other lilas have their origin. These adi-lilas are mentioned in many places in the books of the Gosvamis, but are exclusively dealt with in three major works:
(1) Sri Govinda-lilamrta by Sri Krsnadasa Kaviraja
(2) Sri Krsnahnika-kaumudi by Sri Kavi Karnapura
(3) Sri Krsna-bhavanamrta by Sri Visvanatha Cakravarti
These three texts form the main bulk of material that the Gaudiya Vaisnavas use as authoritative sources for information concerning the practice of raganuga- bhakti-sadhana in context with lila-smarana and manasi-seva.
In the mangalacarana of Govinda-lilamrta the process of raganuga-bhakti-sadhana is focused on as follows:
sri-radha-prana-bandhos carana-kamalayoh kesa-sesadyagamya
ya sadhya prema-seva vraja-carita-parair gadha-lolyaika-labhya
sa syat prapta yaya tam prathayitum adhuna manasim asya sevam
bhavyam ragadhva panthair vrajam anucaritam naityikyam tasya naumi
"The goal of prema-seva directed to the lotus feet of Radharani's heart's beloved, Sri Krsna, can never be attained by such big personalities as Brahma, Siva, or Ananta-sessa. That prema-seva can, however, be attained in today's world by the person who treads the path of raganuga-bhakti. The goal of this sadhana can only be achieved by great hankering applied to serving Sri Krsna, following in the footsteps of His associates in their daily pastimes by the process of manasi-seva. I offer my obeisances unto these asta-kala-lilas as they continually unfold in the land of Vrndavana."
From this information we may conclude that raganuga-bhakti-sadhana essentially means to apply one's mind internally to conceive of one's own spiritual form.
Then within that mentally conceived body, the sadhaka enters Vrndavana to per- form manasi-seva to Radha-Krsna, in context with Their nitya-asta-kala-lilas. This manasi-seva should be done in submission to following the moods, mellows and orders of Krsna's eternal associates in Vraja. One's own gurudeva and guru-parampara should also be understood to be amongst the eternal associates in Vrndavana.
final note:-
"The siddha-deha meditated upon by the raganuga-sadhaka is called antascintita-siddha-deha, which means the preconceived siddha-deha, the spiritual identity which the practitioner desires to achieve and which he performs manasi-seva with at the stage of sadhana. At this level the sadhaka has not actually attained his svarupa (svarupa-siddhi). Only by the mercy of Radha-Krsna, when They fulfill the desire of Their devotee (to serve Them in Goloka Vrndavana as a manjari), does the jiva attain his eternal spiritual identity. Siddha-pranali or ekadasa-bhava, as explained by Srila Gopala-guru and Srila Bhaktivinod Thakur Babaji, is the seed of the desired siddha-deha, which will grow and bear fruit at the time of attaining Radha-Krsna prema."
ys
Dear Manitabh,
Hare Krsna. Please accept my humble obeisances, you are a dear servant of the Lord and thus I bow down before you. You are so kind and merciful to give this knowledge of nectar, the most sacred knowledge of how to worship Sri Sri Radha and Krsna. I am very greateful for your mercy. Please accept my humble obeisances. Radhe Radhe.
I heard this in the lecture of a sannyasi in Kolkata temple, I will give the reference as soon as I get it.
ys
Hare Krsna!
Very kind of you. Thank your very much!
Your servant,
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